Jimbei vs The Monster Trio (Individually)

[matzik1212]

I also think Jimbei would lose against Luffy and Zoro and tie with Sanji .....
Luffy and Zoro are on a league of their own IMO and if they were to fight with all their might i'm sure Jimbei would lose , as for Sanji i think he is also very strong but just about at the same lvl with Jimbei thing that's not bad at all 'cause Jimbei can deal pretty good with powerful opponents as we saw at MF

 

[kkck]

I always thought Jinbei or something made a hole at the ice, used the move from the sea and jumped back on the ice to take Moria..... Maybe he didn't even had to enter the water, just pull the water manipulating it with the hands....

Anyway, I still think Luffy and zoro would win on land and Sanji would tie!

I did not say the water jinbe used then came out of nowhere, I would think it is quite clear he got it from the sea. Still, that leaves the question of whether there is a water body around and if so how large. The ougi he used against wadatsuki did not seem to require a large amount of water (although fishman island perhaps has 100% humidity lol) though. Still, without a proper source of water jinbe would be far too limited in his techniques for the fight to mean much. Even when jinbe fought ace he had an ocean behind him. I am not saying to make this an underwater fight, just saying we should consider a water body around here.

 

[SharpKnives]

Sanji is just as strong as Zoro. Zoro is nowhere near as strong as Luffy and right now Sanji has better feats than Jenbe and Zoro. I don't want to hear he's done more than Zoro because he's been in less fights and hasn't broken a sweat. Luffy is pretty much on a different level so I say Sanji,Zoro and Jenbe are on the same general level.

 

[kkck]

Zoro easily defeated hyozu, the strongest enemy in the arc. The guy was strong enough to defend with no problem from luffy before his transformation and if his transformation was of similar proportions to hodi's he must have become colossal stronger. At least I would argue that easily defeating awakened hyozo is a far greater feat than defeating wadatsumi between sanji and jinbe and even a better feat than luffy giving hodi a trashing (outside of the water).

 

[Naruffy]

Zoro easily defeated hyozu, the strongest enemy in the arc. The guy was strong enough to defend with no problem from luffy before his transformation and if his transformation was of similar proportions to hodi's he must have become colossal stronger. At least I would argue that easily defeating awakened hyozo is a far greater feat than defeating wadatsumi between sanji and jinbe and even a better feat than luffy giving hodi a trashing (outside of the water).

Hyouzou took one attack from Luffy, while he was attacking 3 others. Saying that One attack makes him stronger than Hodi makes no sense to me. If anything, Hody tanking a lot of Luffy's attacks while Hyouzou succumbed to only 2 (?) by Zoro would make him the weaker of the two. Hyouzou is a more difficult opponent than Wadatsumi, but I think the amount of damage Sanji and Jinbei did to that huge dude would easily put Hyouzou down if they fought him individually.

 

[kkck]

It was still a gear 2 attack from luffy to be fair. Such a thing cannot be evaded by anyone of normal strength. More so, just as a comparison, consider that hodi was not able to block avoid an attack from zoro in an underwater fight. Heck, even post transformation hodi underwater could not avoid nor block an attack from luffy. I don't see how it makes sense for hyozo to not have been more than a bit stronger than hodi(interestingly, luffy thought hyozo was strong while zoro thought he was fodder even after his transformation).

 

[Naruffy]

It was still a gear 2 attack from luffy to be fair. Such a thing cannot be evaded by anyone of normal strength. More so, just as a comparison, consider that hodi was not able to block avoid an attack from zoro in an underwater fight. Heck, even post transformation hodi underwater could not avoid nor block an attack from luffy. I don't see how it makes sense for hyozo to not have been more than a bit stronger than hodi(interestingly, luffy thought hyozo was strong while zoro thought he was fodder even after his transformation).

That shows speed, not strength. I think it's been highlighted that Hodi's battle style isn't speed but power, he tanked a good amount of Luffy's attacks and kept on going, only to be taken out by Red Hawk and Elephant Gun. We didn't see how Hyouzou would handle being hit by those attacks because he evaded them, evading an attack doesn't make you stronger, only faster. Hodi held back King Neptune with one hand, so in terms on physical strength and endurance he is superior, it's like comparing Zoro and Sanji to me. Zoro is greater in terms on Physical Strength and Endurance while Sanji is superior in terms of Speed and Intelligence (Or Zoro's arm strength = Sanji's leg strength and Sanji arm strength = Zoro's leg strength). Though both are close in combat abilities, Zoro would win most of the time as Hodi would.

 

[kkck]

Hyozo did not evade luffy's attacks, he blocked it which would be impossible without the necessary strength or speed. Without the speed he would not get to block it and without the strength he would simply have his guard broken.