Discussion War at Marineford: Different Outcomes

[Zehahaha]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Don't think so.

Marine side barely unleashed their full power. Garp and Sengoku hardly did anything, not to mention shichibukai's top tier like Doflamingo and Kuma who didn't even try to attack WB at all. Mihawk tried once but he wasn't even serious at the time.

So, he wanted to test his powers against WB, and you say he send his weakest attack for that ?

Obviously, his slash had some decent power in it, but I doubt he was 100% serious, but to say he wasn't serious at all, especially in front of WB is a little bit too much.

 

[tret16]

well actually i took Mihawks attack more of a warning fire to WB. Kinda like saying that the shichibukai were here and they were serious about fighting againts him... so it's wasn't anything near his stangest attack, Just enough to reach WB and to get his attention. Cause look at the attack he used to slice the ice mountain in half. something tells me that wasn't his 100% either but still fairly strong.

 

[Kukriblades]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

So, he wanted to test his powers against WB, and you say he send his weakest attack for that ?

Obviously, his slash had some decent power in it, but I doubt he was 100% serious, but to say he wasn't serious at all, especially in front of WB is a little bit too much.

Probably true. But what I'm trying to say is most of marine top tiers didn't go all out against WB Pirates (except Akainu). There's no guarantee he could trash marineford in his prime if marines went 100%.

 

[zerocooldx]

Whitebeard in his prime? I would expect Ace to be alive and Marineford to be at the bottom of the sea.

Nah i doubt it. At that point I would expect Aokiji and Kizaru to quit screwing around and actually show some real interest in the war. The only Admiral that was even remotely serious was Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru were mostly playing around with the Division Commanders and cracking jokes. And this isn't even taking into account Sengoku and Garp. Sengoku started to get into it a little bit before Shanks arrived, but Garp never did anything. Even WB in his prime probably couldn't have taken three Admirals and two former Admirals if the latter were all serious. The fact of the matter is that the only big name on the side of the Marines that was really serious during that war was Akainu.

 

[kkck]

I kinda disagree with the notion that there were people at the war who were not taking it seriously. Didn't we see pretty much everyone dealing with their own stuff? There were times when we did not see certain characters however that does not mean they were idly seating around. I would think the more reasonable assumption of what a few high level characters were doing at specific points is leading the armies, in particular kizaru and aokiji, the VA and the commanders.

If WB had been at his peak rather than his old self I would think things would have gone dramatically different. He would have never taken a wound from squad and most likely not one of the admirals would have been able to hold his ground against him (they barely did so against old WB). Perhaps garp and sengoku would have been forced to action however that is not necessarily a good thing, specially early on. Garp and sengoku were pretty much planning everything while everyone was fighting, they were basically the leaders in many forms. If they got in the fight earlier the marines would have lost their leader and I would think that would have had a serious effect on the outcome of their initial plans. Heck, even with sengoku planing everything things did not quite go as planned.

 

[zerocooldx]

I kinda disagree with the notion that there were people at the war who were not taking it seriously. Didn't we see pretty much everyone dealing with their own stuff? There were times when we did not see certain characters however that does not mean they were idly seating around. I would think the more reasonable assumption of what a few high level characters were doing at specific points is leading the armies, in particular kizaru and aokiji, the VA and the commanders.

If people don't manage to even break a sweat let alone show real signs of being in a battle i think its safe to assume that they weren't taking those fights seriously due to their opponents being so far beneath them. Unless the definition of what real battle looks like has changed. What did Kizaru and Aokiji do? Kizaru was playing marksmen and cracking jokes while Aokiji spent as much time just freezing water as he did anything else. For them the war two years ago might have as well been just another day in their lives.

 

[Naruffy]

I think a Prime Whitebeard would be the strongest person on that battle field, Jozu & Marco's fights with Aokiji and Kizaru would've lasted because they wouldn't of been distracted and Whitebeard would be able to take out Akainu. Garp & Sengoku are the only real issue here, but I do believe that Ace would've been saved at the very least.

 

[zerocooldx]

I think a Prime Whitebeard would be the strongest person on that battle field, Jozu & Marco's fights with Aokiji and Kizaru would've lasted because they wouldn't of been distracted and Whitebeard would be able to take out Akainu. Garp & Sengoku are the only real issue here, but I do believe that Ace would've been saved at the very least.

1 vs 1 WB in his prime would have killed everyone else 1 vs 1 during that war. But that type of a battle scenario wouldn't have happened. Jozu got turned into a cube of ice in no time. While Kizaru was screwing around with Marco and everyone else he encountered. Lets be real here. All three Admirals alone would have demolished all of the WB pirates and their allies save for WB had they decided to fight seriously like Akainu did. Not once did Aokiji and Kizaru ever seem serious during that war, nor did they do anything to suggest otherwise. There wouldn't have even been any need for the VA's, Shichibukai, and other Marines had the Admirals been serious. All of them mainly acted as window dressing and some helped with the plot. But in terms of power, only one Admiral went to war. The other two were just taking a walk in the park. And this isn't even taking into account Sengoku and Garp, who also seemed to have done nothing during that war. Well Sengoku kind of got started. But Garp didn't.

 

[suraj5898]

lots of u guys saying that marines didn't fight seriously but i like to say top marines and WB didn't fight with there full power i mean in ending of war WB divide Marineford in 2 and it dont like he can use that level attack only one time .
about if Bonney have join war
she make WB younger
she make 3 admirals , garp and Sengoku kids or lot older
do u guys think about marines have chance i mean look in the beginning of the war when WB use his attack all marines ware scared they only get there confidence back because Aokiji stop that attack
the end of would be WB take ace back to home and celebrate his freedom
about Aokiji and Kizaru were happy-go-lucky in the war i would like to say both of them have happy-go-lucky personality and Akainu have kill-u-kill-u personality so they fight like what there personality is
(sorry if there any mistake my English is not good )