Shounen Air Gear by Oh! Great

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

So why is the Storm Regalia acting like the Sky Regalia? Accessing tricks of the other roads.
Because Ikki was given the Cores of the Rumble, Rising, Flame, and Fang Regalia for the Storm. So naturally it can manipulate the properties of those Roads and run them accordingly.
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

Because Ikki was given the Cores of the Rumble, Rising, Flame, and Fang Regalia for the Storm. So naturally it can manipulate the properties of those Roads and run them accordingly.
Uhh, Sora has 21 cores. With the same properties of the other regalias.
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

The Wind Regalia's core was fused with the other 20 cores of the Gravity Children Sora and Nike killed off. Those are cores of "weaker" Regalia, whose Roads were branched off of the main eight (I say that from looking at the diagram of the 28 Regalia branching from the Sky Regalia; it showed 2 Regalia each, branching off from the main eight which are the Wind, Thunder, Rumble, Pledge, Thorn, Gem, Flame, and Fang--and, obviously, since all 28 of those are Regalia, there shouldn't be any strong or weak ones, so that's why I put quotes around that word). The rune codes also show this; the 28 codes get together to form that fence, but not all of them make it up as a whole--eight "main lines" from each of those 28 runes make up the actual access code for the Sky Regalia, which currently is incomplete since Sora doesn't have the final piece of the puzzle, the ninth line, since the fence mentioned in Norse Mythology that held Odin to the World Tree Yggdrasil had nine bars.

The only one of the main cores that Sora has is that of the Wind Regalia, and the rest from the branch Roads' Regalia. They don't have the same abilities as the other 7 of the main 8. And recall that Sora left the AT Sky Regalia at the bottom of the Tower, he isn't wearing it. He's wearing the Bagram, so he wouldn't (shouldn't) be able to access the Sky Regalia (the software part of it). And it's the Flame Regalia that has the ability to let the user perform all of the Roads' Tricks, Sora doesn't have anything of the sort--the Sky Regalia can allow it, but as I said, Sora doesn't have it, he has the Wind Regalia. The Flame Regalia's core was fused into the Storm Regalia, remember, so Ikki and Ringo would be able to use those Tricks, but Sora shouldn't be able to unless he breaks the rules and accesses Skylink somehow.

Also, if Kururu was able to replicate the Wind Regalia core completely when she was making the Storm Regalia (since she originally combined a replica version of Bagram with the Rumble Regalia core), then it should have all of the 21 cores that Sora's Bagram does, plus another 7, for a total of 27 cores. 6 more than the Bagram. Kururu was also the one who created the Bagram Sora is using now, so it probably wouldn't have all of the 21 cores still intact if she wasn't able to find all the right parts to replicate them with. Same goes for the Storm Regalia. But I'm thinking it's likely that the Storm Regalia does in fact essentially have 27 cores.

And the Sky and Storm Regalia are equal in power due to the fact that they have all of the 28 codes (with the Storm having one extra line, but yeah), and also have the ability to access the program and software part of the Sky Regalia, that being Chronos and Skylink, along with "Lon Houtz Bourne Street". The Storm Regalia has the power to rival the Sky Regalia, which is what makes it more powerful than the Wind Regalia, even if it might have the higher number of cores than the Storm Regalia. Get it?

Anyway, Drylick, I hope you're right about Ringo giving Ikki the Storm Regalia during this fight, but then he'll have to wear Ringo's ATs, since there's no one there who would be able to fit the Storm Regalia onto Ikki's own ATs. And besides, unless Ikki wants to break the rules himself, he wouldn't use the Storm Regalia even if he got it.
 
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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

Oyos

I do agree that due to kururu's study of bagram when she repaired it and combining the other cores minus thorn, that the storm regalia is technically superior to the sky regalia/bagram... However I dont think the 20 other cores that was 'eaten' by sora were inferior or weaker. The point of having the cores was to attain the code that went with it, but aside from that, there is no need to actually incorporate the hardware functions of the other regalias. It is also proven from the other grav kids that there was more than one version of a road and regalia: gabi and falco, black burn and onibasu are prime examples. There is a good chance that the regalia capabilities for some of the 20 regalia incorporated into bagram were so similar that it is no different than saying it was only one of that type.
 

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Ooohh, yeah. I forgot that one. LOL. I was mentioning that before; the incorporation of the Bagram to the Storm. But I already forgot that one. Thanks for reminding.
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

@Suarhnir: I know all of that; I did say that the other 20 Regalia should in no way be inferior. I did explain that being saying why I put quotes around the word weaker.

@Drylick: Yep.

Edit: Just noticed a typo in my math in that post. Should've said "plus another 6" instead of "plus another 7" if I wanted to say, "all 21 cores, plus another (insert number) for a total of (insert number)". Should've said, "so it has all of the 21 cores, plus another 6, for a total of 27 cores". [Or however I worded it.]
 
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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

rough translation
-so sora is pissed, ikki and sora agreed to the "no storm/sky regalia" rule, but nv stated that ringo couldnt use it

*9 hours earlier*
-ikki requests that the storm regalia be tuned to ringo instead

-ringo starts charging up moves, rumble, lightning, fire, fang
-what appears to be apparitions of aeon, spitfire, yoshitsune and their awesome one-liners(of course, onigiri's pig spirit is there as well)
-simca is envious, remarks "and another pair of wings are born"
-dr minami is wondering whether this will open the gate, but is kinda shocked himself since ikki never planned the storm regalia for himself from the start(not too sure on this part)
-if ikki believes in ringo, then kururu will believe in her too

[the storm will continually give birth to a new wind, continually give birth to new wings]
-ringo destroys that annoying creep on rika
-ikki says that what we call the roads are considered roads because in the end they converge into one
 
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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

Why is Sora still following that stupid rule, who cares if he activates his regalia? Oh what he loses the battle because he activated them, if he kills everybody then it doesn't matter.
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

-ikki says that what we call the roads are considered roads because in the end they converge into one
This one is good---

9th line please unfold already.


Why is Sora still following that stupid rule, who cares if he activates his regalia? Oh what he loses the battle because he activated them, if he kills everybody then it doesn't matter.
He followed the rule because he underestimated them. Now he knows that even if he activates Bagram, it would still be a drag since he finally admitted even to himself that Ikki is strong. And he doesn't want to lose this battle by breaking the rules. Pride.

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-dr minami is wondering whether this will open the gate, but is kinda shocked himself since ikki never planned the storm regalia for himself from the start(not too sure on this part)
Is that the gate of the Sky?
 
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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

Is that the gate of the Sky?
he never specifies, he just says "will the gate open?" and then he goes from cool calm to crazy suprised, i nv fully understood that page
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

Might be referring to the "doors" Kazu opened. The "Nine Heavens' Doors". Maybe not, though.

@Drylick: Agreed.
 
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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

Where the hell is Chapter 354 scan? It's been 4 days now.
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

My sentiments exactly.

The Shonen Jump mangas are out already. I read the chapters some hours ago. So yeah, again, where's Air Gear?
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

The Mangastream Manga Editors *probably* lowered their priority on AG,
since the new Shaman King manga just came out (40 pages)...
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

Oh!G can be knocked for continuity, for stalling, for lacking science. But this chapter shows just how incredible his artwork can be, how he can still get me excited; Seeing Ringo aided by shadows of Yoshitsune, Nue, Spit, Aeon, Kazu, Lind, Agito, Akito; I'd give the chapter at least an 8/10 just for that bit, without even reading it...
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

I was hoping the battle would've come to a definitive end during this chapter, somewhat concerned that the final chapters are going to be extremely compressed or short on answers to questions. Despite that, for me this has been one of the best chapters in months. The art and the appearance of the kings and their roads did it for me.
 

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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

I don't get Minami saying he designed the Storm Regalia? Does this, perhaps, mean that that the original design was his? And that Kururu, maybe unknowingly, followed Minami's design? Since, in this chapter, he says, "The Storm Regalia was for him . . . I didn't design for this!!!". And does he'd meant it for Ikki, or for Sora? A little confusing IMO.

Otherwise, yeah, I have to agree that the chapter was pretty good. I do still hope we can see Ikki using the Storm Regalia at least once though, even though Ikki saying "I'll tune you, and you tune me," to Ringo might mean the Storm Regalia was tuned to Ringo, or that it was somehow tuned to both of them, meaning that either of them could use it.
 

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I don't get Minami saying he designed the Storm Regalia? Does this, perhaps, mean that that the original design was his? And that Kururu, maybe unknowingly, followed Minami's design? Since, in this chapter, he says, "The Storm Regalia was for him . . . I didn't design for this!!!". And does he'd meant it for Ikki, or for Sora? A little confusing IMO.

Otherwise, yeah, I have to agree that the chapter was pretty good. I do still hope we can see Ikki using the Storm Regalia at least once though, even though Ikki saying "I'll tune you, and you tune me," to Ringo might mean the Storm Regalia was tuned to Ringo, or that it was somehow tuned to both of them, meaning that either of them could use it.
I think Minami meant that it was for Ikki. And for what I understood, when Minami said "I didn't designed it for this", he must mean that he didn't designed this situation to happen. He planned all of this from the start, that Ikki would use the Storm Regalia. He didn't planned (designed) this to happen, that Ringo, not Ikki, would use the Storm. So he didn't designed the Storm. What he designed is for Ikki to use the Storm.

And I believe that the Storm was tuned to both of them. So yeah, huge possibility that Ikki would use the Storm Regalia. I'm thinking that when Ikki used the Storm Regalia, a new road trick would be produced. Not just that redundant and overused convergence of roads, and using the tricks of each Road Kings one after the other. Like when Ikki used it, he would truly bring out the true power of the Storm, and the gate would finally open. You know what I mean? Coz right now, Ringo is just using the power of each Road Kings. Cliche thing. I wanna see a different one. Not the 8 roads in one regalia, but a "NEW" road in a regalia. Ya get me there? You know what I mean.


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Or, I'm thinking of a more complex thing. That Minami had already the design of the Storm Regalia from day 1. And he just planned everything to be like this, that Ikki would be the one using it. I mean, he knew about the 9th line right? So there's a huge possibility that the Storm Regalia's design was already complete even before the series started. He just made the Bagram like that (21 cores) to complement the making and the production of the Storm Regalia.
 
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Re: Air Gear 354 Discussion

I don't get Minami saying he designed the Storm Regalia? Does this, perhaps, mean that that the original design was his? And that Kururu, maybe unknowingly, followed Minami's design? Since, in this chapter, he says, "The Storm Regalia was for him . . . I didn't design for this!!!". And does he'd meant it for Ikki, or for Sora? A little confusing IMO.
yes this was what i was talking about when i gave a rough translation from the chinese version, on tat page where minami says he didnt design it for this, the chinese Edited Manga had a different meaning...the word in mandarin used to refer to a person in this case was for a male person, the direct translation from the chinese version is, "the storm regalia was not meant for him!" but tat didn't make any sense since ringo was the one using it. or maybe the chinese version made a mistake and was refering to "ringo" instead
 
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