Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[k-dom]

Japanese are really mysterious, putting one of Punk Hazard chapter after the first color page when Mermaid island never did.
I guess it's time to recatch to Gintama.
@Drmke I think it is Ohana mistake, it happens quite often a serie miss in his posts
I'm curious to see its place too since it seems new series are doing good compare to veteran one for once.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Anyone know where Kurogane is placed this week? I'd like to know.

I think it really doesn't matter since Kurogane has color page.

 

[Drmke]

I am aware but I still like seeing the completed ToC. Where color pages are placed can still be interesting.

 

[neozero]

Cover Jump #23

 

[meeedoooz]

cool toc. very glad Gintama is 1st. hoping it keeps it's place in the top 3

 

[kewl0210]

Interesting TOC. I dunno the last time One Piece got that low. I don't think it's since that one time the manuscript got given in late and it was put really low because of it.

Gintama makes sense, as you guys said. Pakky looks like it's not gonna last.

As for how long Bleach is gonna last, realize that the editorsmay try to get him to end it faster than he wants, to keep the author's reputation up and keep the series from declining and encourage a new series by the author. But Kubo can probably do what he wants at this point. And it's lost its luster, and isn't really going to be increasing unless Kubo really comes up with an interesting plot. That or he goes a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure route and just changes the main character and the story.

 

[Limit]

Awesome, Gintama's first. This arc was epic so it makes sense. I'm kind of surprised One Piece is out of the top 3 but that probably won't last.
Also glad that Nisekoi is still doing good in the TOC, I'm loving the series right now.

As for all the Bleach talk, I doubt Jump is going to force Bleach to end unless it drops really low (both in TOC and volume sales). Even if it does, they'll probably have hope he can pick it up or something. Though I'd rather have it end, stretching out a series for too long isn't good and imo Bleach is already boring enough.

 

[clydu94]

Bleach is too good to end. Sales are the most important thing about a WSJ Manga and you all know how Bleach is doing in that category.. Seeing it that low while the new arc has just been epic until now makes me sad :'(

Gintama.. I didn't really find this manga attractive, the first episodes bored me as hell. Should I catch up ?

One Piece being 4th.. When was the last time that it wasn't in the Top 3 ?

Naruto.. Now i don't understand.. This whole war is the biggest mess I've ever seen in a manga yet but it gets such high ranks..

 

[wintercry]

Gintama is more interesting than Bleach. Especially the current arc; every chapter is hands down amazing. Also, you never know, Kubo wished for Bleach to stay at least 10 more years, but it has now enter its final arc. I agree with Kewl, the editors might've tried to get him to end it faster for a new series.

 

[clydu94]

Nope. Ending a serie who is sure to doing well in terms of sales faster than it would have just because they count on new series which are not sure to be as good in sales as the previous manga is a pretty, sorry for the word, stupid decision. Like.. Really. It's a bad business move. And we all know WSJ is all about business

So Gintama is that good huh ?

 

[Kaiten]

What a silly conversation. Bleach is not ending any time soon. Kubo claims this is the last arc, the editors will give him the time to finish it, even if TOC rankings are not what they once were. We all know that Bleach will be around for two or three more years.

Why even bother comparing a comedy manga to action Bleach and Gintama don't have fuck all in common.

Seeing One Piece so low makes me feel slightly nauseous. Punk Hazard is a great arc. Please don't sing the gospel of Gintama to me in response. I've been reading the damn thing since before some of you folks knew what mangas are. I even scanlated the damn thing, all be it briefly. Don't want to hear about it, don't tell me, I don't care

 

[wintercry]

Nope. Ending a serie who is sure to doing well in terms of sales faster than it would have just because they count on new series which are not sure to be as good in sales as the previous manga is a pretty, sorry for the word, stupid decision. Like.. Really. It's a bad business move. And we all know WSJ is all about business 7

So Gintama is that good huh ?

You misunderstood me there. What I meant was it is not ending but slowly laying the foundation to its end instead, hence the final arc. That is contrary to Kubo's wishing for it to last another 10 year. Also, I never said it ending anytime soon.

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Why even bother comparing a comedy manga to action Bleach and Gintama don't have fuck all in common.

If that's the case then why even look at the TOC and/or reader's survey? there are bunch of mangas that has nothing in common in JUMP. (Though Gintama and Bleach have a decent few things in common)

 

[Negative Syndicate]

there are bunch of mangas that has nothing in common in JUMP.

Do you expect that the commonality for Jump should be an action?

 

[wintercry]

I based that remark on Kaiten's remark. Shouldn't you be asking him that, not me?

Or if you misquoted that for the remark "Though Gintama and Bleach have a decent few things in common", I'd answer "No", btw. And if it's commonality for the two instead for Jump, then action is a factor to consider.

 

[clydu94]

Diversity is the main force of Jump i would say

You people make me wanna read/watch that Gintama..

 

[crimsonlink310]

I dunno why people are worried about One Piece not being in the top 3. Its not like it went past 5 or even 10 (which would cause a huge stir).

I don't agree that OP should be that low though. If anything it should have been low near the beginning of the Fisherman arc. God that was a boring arc till near the end.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

I dunno why people are worried about One Piece not being in the top 3. Its not like it went past 5 or even 10 (which would cause a huge stir).

I don't agree that OP should be that low though. If anything it should have been low near the beginning of the Fisherman arc. God that was a boring arc till near the end.

Exactaly, One Piece just decreased its ranking little bit, but it's not mean that One Piece is in trouble.

 

[Kaiten]

If that's the case then why even look at the TOC and/or reader's survey? there are bunch of mangas that has nothing in common in JUMP. (Though Gintama and Bleach have a decent few things in common)

Why would you assume that Bleach fans read Bleach, or that Bleach fans read Gintama. Some might, others might not. Isn't it presumptuous to assume that the success of one series has anything to do with the failing of another series? Can you show some sort of proof that Gintama placing first has any correlation to Bleach dropping? Or are we making assumptions based on one being low, the other being high.

I was not actually referring to the TOC though, which is why my post never mentioned the TOC. Prior to my post there was some discussion of how much better Gintama is than this manga, that manga, and Bleach. I was merely pointing out that comparing two manga that have virtually nothing in common is a bit silly. The appeal of each towards their respective fans is different enough that conversation between is somewhat pointless.

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I actually don't look at new TOC's anymore, I don't read very many Jump series. One Piece and Hunter x Hunter are the only series I consistently enjoy, I still read Naruto and Bleach though. I used to read Sket Dance and intend to catch up someday soon. Otherwise everything in Jump bores the hell out of me.

 

[k-dom]

We don't really worry about One Piece but the thing is that you count it on the fingers of a hand the number of time it was that low in the TOC in the last 10 years so, to me, that is THE important thing of this TOC.
One Piece was also not really well placed in the double cover page issue even if its real place is hard to figure, maybe japanese don't like Punk hazard that much which is weird, but it should change once the recent characters introduced are ranked.

And Jump has 2 really excellent comedies Gintama and Sket Dance (may add Beelzebub in the lot), everyone should read them

 

[wintercry]

Why would you assume that Bleach fans read Bleach, or that Bleach fans read Gintama. Some might, others might not. Isn't it presumptuous to assume that the success of one series has anything to do with the failing of another series? Can you show some sort of proof that Gintama placing first has any correlation to Bleach dropping? Or are we making assumptions based on one being low, the other being high.

Don't read too much into things. You just thought of it yourself; actually, I didn't assume any of that and that wasn't my basis. Though, whether you read both or not, TOC evidence clearly shows who's more interesting atm.