Mag Talk Jump SQ (Shueisha)

[Oberon]

Jump SQ. #07:

 

[Reith]

A question: The mangas from Jump SQ are placed in the ToC by popularity ranking, just like Shonen Jump?

 

[Negative Syndicate]

A question: The mangas from Jump SQ are placed in the ToC by popularity ranking, just like Shonen Jump?

I think so.

 

[FrostyMouse]

A question: The mangas from Jump SQ are placed in the ToC by popularity ranking, just like Shonen Jump?

As far as I'm aware, that's the case, but it's less clear with SQ.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

As far as I'm aware, that's the case, but it's less clear with SQ.

I think it is highly possible that SQ follows same Jump's ToC system; for example, the recent axed series (Hanimero and Hasebe-san) were ranked in bottom 5 and last place when they were near their fina chapter.

 

[FrostyMouse]

I think it is highly possible that SQ follows same Jump's ToC system; for example, the recent axed series (Hanimero and Hasebe-san) were ranked in bottom 5 and last place when they were near their fina chapter.

Indeed, and I do believe that SQ uses the same ToC system as Jump. It's just that it's not confirmed in the same way, so I just mentioned that we didn't know for sure.

SPoT's been quite popular as well recently, so seeing it take first isn't surprising either.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Indeed, and I do believe that SQ uses the same ToC system as Jump. It's just that it's not confirmed in the same way, so I just mentioned that we didn't know for sure.

Yeah, no one actually confirmed that. I also just made my judgemen based on looking at the all of past axed series in SQ.

 

[FrostyMouse]

Yeah, no one actually confirmed that. I also just made my judgemen based on looking at the all of past axed series in SQ.

Same for me. Plus, the series that are at the top of the SQ ToC usually have the highest volume sales, and ToC rankings and volume sales are usually similar.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Plus, the series that are at the top of the SQ ToC usually have the highest volume sales, and ToC rankings and volume sales are usually similar.

Well, not usually. Binbougami tends to rank very high, but its tank sale is pretty low. On the other hand, Ao no Exorcist tends to hang around in the middle and Gate 7 usually in the bottom.

 

[Asclepius]

Same for me. Plus, the series that are at the top of the SQ ToC usually have the highest volume sales, and ToC rankings and volume sales are usually similar.

To add more info, I don't remember to ever see DGM in the first place. Not even second. It's usually right above the last 5 (with Claymore usually near).
And DGM was the best selling title till AnE anime boost.

Kurenai was first place a few times, but the sales never reached past 100k, IIRC.

I always thought that it was kinda odd, but then DGM sPOT and TLRD are related to previous time in WSJ as some member explained before.

 

[FrostyMouse]

Well, not usually. Binbougami tends to rank very high, but its tank sale is pretty low. On the other hand, Ao no Exorcist tends to hang around in the middle and Gate 7 usually in the bottom.

I do agree with AnE, but a lot of the people who actually read AnE and send in the questionnaires aren't the AnE anime fans, who are the only reason for the massive tank sales.

I ignore like half the series in SQ, so I honestly can't remember what actually sells well. Well, I know that not that much in SQ actually sells well, but... :P

 

[Negative Syndicate]

I ignore like half the series in SQ, so I honestly can't remember what actually sells well. Well, I know that not that much in SQ actually sells well, but... :P

I follow almost all of SQ series, so I know which series sells and not. Actually, I think SQ has one of few monthly magazines that carries many hit or somewhat hit series (more than BSM and Gangan).

And it is not that weird that the tank sale doesn't reflect ranking. Even in Jump, Nuarihyon/Kuroko are mostly bottom 5 and Bleach/Reborn have decreased its ranking, but they still sell well.

 

[FrostyMouse]

I follow almost all of SQ series, so I know which series sells and not. Actually, I think SQ has one of few monthly magazines that carries many hit or somewhat hit series (more than BSM and Gangan).

And it is not that weird that the tank sale doesn't reflect ranking. Even in Jump, Nuarihyon/Kuroko are mostly bottom 5 and Bleach/Reborn have decreased its ranking, but they still sell well.

SQ does have quite a few series that sell decently, that is true, but not many true hits. Some of SQ's hits are ex-Jump series, either in the form of continuations or sequels, so it's got something more than BSM and Gangan in that extent.

What are the actual sales figures for Claymore these days? I haven't been paying attention lately.

The majority of the series in Jump reflect the actual sales figures. Reborn still has good sales figures, but it's ending soon anyway. Kuroko's had a lot more sales because of the anime and people just seem to like Mago, although not enough to vote for it, as Mago's the bottom dweller.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

SQ does have quite a few series that sell decently, that is true, but not many true hits. Some of SQ's hits are ex-Jump series, either in the form of continuations or sequels, so it's got something more than BSM and Gangan in that extent.

That's true, so I want SQ to begin to produce their own authors from now on, and it looks like they are doing it since 2011.

What are the actual sales figures for Claymore these days? I haven't been paying attention lately.

*1｜741,753┃520,341(5)｜121,748｜*45,502｜*29,029｜*25,133｜Ao no Exorcist 8 (Total = 762,604)
*2｜446,111┃300,134(5)｜*89,204｜*34,669｜*22,104｜---,---｜D.Gray-man 23 (Total = 482,770)
*3｜342,703┃223,596(5)｜*70,195｜*30,332｜*18,586｜---,---｜Shin Tennis no Oujisama 7 (Total = 420,435)
*4｜325,444┃165,318(3)｜124,335｜*35,791｜---,---｜---,---｜To Love-Ru Darkness 4 (Total = 396,177)
*5｜206,879┃131,347(5)｜*54,941｜*20,591｜---,---｜---,---｜Gate7 3
*6｜196,067┃*92,063(3)｜*80,690｜*23,314｜---,---｜---,---｜Claymore 21 (Total = 238,629) 
*7｜143,569┃*69,328(5)｜*49,923｜*24,318｜---,---｜---,---｜Gag Manga Biyori 12
*8｜*88,153┃*60,492(5)｜*27,661｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Tegami Bachi 14(Total = 120,753)
*9｜*93,620┃*51,332(3)｜*42,288｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Kure-nai 9
10｜*84,847┃*66,780(5)｜*18,067｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Houkago no Oujisama 2
11｜*66,428┃*34,862(3)｜*31,566｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Rosario to Vampier seasonII 10
12｜*44,382┃*22,961(3)｜*24,421｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Kakkokawaii Sengen! 3
13｜*39,999┃*39,999(4)｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Embalming 6
14｜*30,487┃*30,487(5)｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Binbougami ga! 12

The majority of the series in Jump reflect the actual sales figures. Reborn still has good sales figures, but it's ending soon anyway. Kuroko's had a lot more sales because of the anime and people just seem to like Mago, although not enough to vote for it, as Mago's the bottom dweller.

I don't get your point on that paragraph. So, are you telling me that tank sale does reflect ranking or not?

 

[FrostyMouse]

That's true, so I want SQ to begin to produce their own authors from now on, and it looks like they are doing it since 2011.

At least it's started to happen, which is an improvement.

*1｜741,753┃520,341(5)｜121,748｜*45,502｜*29,029｜*25,133｜Ao no Exorcist 8 (Total = 762,604)
*2｜446,111┃300,134(5)｜*89,204｜*34,669｜*22,104｜---,---｜D.Gray-man 23 (Total = 482,770)
*3｜342,703┃223,596(5)｜*70,195｜*30,332｜*18,586｜---,---｜Shin Tennis no Oujisama 7 (Total = 420,435)
*4｜325,444┃165,318(3)｜124,335｜*35,791｜---,---｜---,---｜To Love-Ru Darkness 4 (Total = 396,177)
*5｜206,879┃131,347(5)｜*54,941｜*20,591｜---,---｜---,---｜Gate7 3
*6｜196,067┃*92,063(3)｜*80,690｜*23,314｜---,---｜---,---｜Claymore 21 (Total = 238,629) 
*7｜143,569┃*69,328(5)｜*49,923｜*24,318｜---,---｜---,---｜Gag Manga Biyori 12
*8｜*88,153┃*60,492(5)｜*27,661｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Tegami Bachi 14(Total = 120,753)
*9｜*93,620┃*51,332(3)｜*42,288｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Kure-nai 9
10｜*84,847┃*66,780(5)｜*18,067｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Houkago no Oujisama 2
11｜*66,428┃*34,862(3)｜*31,566｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Rosario to Vampier seasonII 10
12｜*44,382┃*22,961(3)｜*24,421｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Kakkokawaii Sengen! 3
13｜*39,999┃*39,999(4)｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Embalming 6
14｜*30,487┃*30,487(5)｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜---,---｜Binbougami ga! 12

That's actually slightly better than I expected for Claymore, what with its popularity falling off a lot in the last two or three years.

I don't get your point on that paragraph. So, are you telling me that tank sale does reflect ranking or not?

I was saying that for the majority of series, the questionnaire responders more or less accurately reflect sales figures, but there will always be series that fall out of the mold for one reason or another. Once Reborn's anime was cancelled, it took a hit in the ToC rankings and has more or less stayed there since then.

I think Mago's anime introduced enough volume buyers to keep it afloat, but without them, I'm not sure that it would still be here. Without the anime, as we all know so well, AnE would still be languishing in ignominy.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

At least it's started to happen, which is an improvement.

Furthermore, I think BSM and Gessan are also starting to doing the same thing as SQ.

I was saying that for the majority of series, the questionnaire responders more or less accurately reflect sales figures, but there will always be series that fall out of the mold for one reason or another. Once Reborn's anime was cancelled, it took a hit in the ToC rankings and has more or less stayed there since then.

I don't really follow that much on the ToC (I only follow bottom 5), so I'm not that much knowledgable on how ending the anime affect on the ranking. However, I know that Bleach was decreasing its volume and ranking even while the anime is airing.

Without the anime, as we all know so well, AnE would still be languishing in ignominy.

I don't think so. Ao no Exorcist did show increasing its popularity before anime has started, so I think it may have reached pretty high position (maybe around same level as To Love-Ru and/or SPoT).

 

[FrostyMouse]

Furthermore, I think BSM and Gessan are also starting to doing the same thing as SQ.

Sounds good.

I don't really follow that much on the ToC (I only follow bottom 5), so I'm not that much knowledgable on how ending the anime affect on the ranking. However, I know that Bleach was decreasing its volume and ranking even while the anime is airing.

It depends on the series. Bleach has been falling off since before the end of Deicide, so for about two years now. A lot of series that are teetering on the edge do take a hit once their anime ends.

The start of an anime usually has more of an effect than the end of a series, but not always. Toriko didn't get the explosive new increases that Jump seemed to have expected with its anime. Kuroko has sold more since the anime began, but the ToC ranks haven't increased, so the increase in volume buyers is solely due to the anime and doesn't affect the questionnaire responses. By the time an anime ends for a Jump series, it's usually on the way out anyway, so the sales and ToC rankings have often decreased a bit anyway, although the ending of an anime usually is accompanied by an associated hit.

Even though I've said all that, different things happen with every series, so you can't just point to that and say that that's what will happen for the majority of series.

I don't think so. Ao no Exorcist did show increasing its popularity before anime has started, so I think it may have reached pretty high position (maybe around same level as To Love-Ru and/or SPoT).

SPoT's been between 380-420k for a while, and that's still quite a lot. Maybe by this point, AnE might've naturally reached that point, but no way would it be selling 700k+ per volume without the anime.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Sounds good.

I meant BSM and Gessan are doing same thing as getting some old hit series from their weekly counterparts.

It depends on the series. Bleach has been falling off since before the end of Deicide, so for about two years now. A lot of series that are teetering on the edge do take a hit once their anime ends.

The start of an anime usually has more of an effect than the end of a series, but not always. Toriko didn't get the explosive new increases that Jump seemed to have expected with its anime. Kuroko has sold more since the anime began, but the ToC ranks haven't increased, so the increase in volume buyers is solely due to the anime and doesn't affect the questionnaire responses. By the time an anime ends for a Jump series, it's usually on the way out anyway, so the sales and ToC rankings have often decreased a bit anyway, although the ending of an anime usually is accompanied by an associated hit.

Even though I've said all that, different things happen with every series, so you can't just point to that and say that that's what will happen for the majority of series.

Whatever. But, all I can say at this point is SQ's case is different from Jump.

SPoT's been between 380-420k for a while, and that's still quite a lot. Maybe by this point, AnE might've naturally reached that point, but no way would it be selling 700k+ per volume without the anime.

Yeah, I agree on AnE is impossible to reach 700k sales without the anime. However, I do think AnE may at least about same sale figure as SPoT.

 

[FrostyMouse]

I meant BSM and Gessan are doing same thing as getting some old hit series from their weekly counterparts.

Oh...

Whatever. But, all I can say at this point is SQ's case is different from Jump.

It may be. I'll defer to you on this one as you're more up on the comings and goings of SQ series.

Yeah, I agree on AnE is impossible to reach 700k sales without the anime. However, I do think AnE may at least about same sale figure as SPoT.

Perhaps, but don't forget that 380-420k is still more than most Jump series sell, so that's really quite popular. SPoT outsells Reborn, for example. Admittedly, there is a difference in that monthly series release fewer volumes, but if you just go per volume, SPoT sells really quite well. SPoT Volume 7 was the 36th best selling volume in the first half of 2012 after all, and that was after the Big 3, KnT, SnK, Bakuman, FT, and a host of other extremely popular series, most of which had multiple volumes, so what I was getting at is that SPoT has become really quite popular. Admittedly, SPoT has all of the PoT fans supporting it.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Perhaps, but don't forget that 380-420k is still more than most Jump series sell, so that's really quite popular. SPoT outsells Reborn, for example. Admittedly, there is a difference in that monthly series release fewer volumes, but if you just go per volume, SPoT sells really quite well. SPoT Volume 7 was the 36th best selling volume in the first half of 2012 after all, and that was after the Big 3, KnT, SnK, Bakuman, FT, and a host of other extremely popular series, most of which had multiple volumes, so what I was getting at is that SPoT has become really quite popular. Admittedly, SPoT has all of the PoT fans supporting it.

Yeah, I know that. And I think AnE did have capacity to reach SPoT's place.

Also, as compared to PoT; SPoT isn't really much high as its prequel; PoT was really popular before it went to the national tournament arc.