What type of ability does Monet have?

Which ability does Monet have?


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me to dont understand why everyone insisting that she has anything with snow, why and how snow wall could be any more special that you need to be super strong to break it..
Because wax isn't stronger and still...

You know, One Piece element natures are quite different than we actually think. Why Snow can't be strong if you can build Igloos with it? (?)
 

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i wouldn't be surprised if she was the work of vegapunk, who managed to graft kizaru's ability onto the palms of pacifistas

chimeraism might circumvent the 1 devil fruit rule, and she could be a zoan who can emit some ice from aokiji grafts from certain parts of her body

no justification/preference though. it could happen any way i think
 

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me to dont understand why everyone insisting that she has anything with snow, why and how snow wall could be any more special that you need to be super strong to break it..
You probably haven't had much experience with making a hole in a heap (~3 meters high) of snow... compressed snow is actually really hard.
 

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monet has surely law's wings,as she wasn't an harpy when law first met her. about her DF,it should be a paramecha which enables the user to create snow,imo. snow was mentioned in her attack,that's the reason of my statement.
 

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Well, whatever ability she has, hopefully, we'll find out about it in two weeks.
 

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Because wax isn't stronger and still...

You know, One Piece element natures are quite different than we actually think. Why Snow can't be strong if you can build Igloos with it? (?)
becouse igloos are built from ice :) i sayed that i dont understand fixation with snow because there wasnt anything to point to that direction it is far more possible that it is some form of concrete or that she simply build walls rather than snow...

@OXellos i have mountain home where is 2 meters of snow from october till march and in the city we have 500 cm of snow.. so i know my snow :P

monet has surely law's wings,as she wasn't an harpy when law first met her. about her DF,it should be a paramecha which enables the user to create snow,imo. snow was mentioned in her attack,that's the reason of my statement.
kamakura is town in japan...there wasnt any mention of snow... none
 
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becouse igloos are built from ice :) i sayed that i dont understand fixation with snow because there wasnt anything to point to that direction it is far more possible that it is some form of concrete or that she simply build walls rather than snow...

@OXellos i have mountain home where is 2 meters of snow from october till march and in the city we have 500 cm of snow.. so i know my snow :P
actually igloos r made from hard snow.especially snow that is blown by extremely cold winds so they trap ice particals inside. 2.of all that snow also traps air holes inside so as to have a natural insulation. i dont know the degres u have on your hometown but there is a reason this type of building is usually used by Inuits living in
Canada's Central Arctic and Greenland's Thule area.the temperature is about as cold as -45 °C or there abouts.

kamakura is town in japan...there wasnt any mention of snow... none
actually the kamakura city u mentioned is on southeastish of tokyo and is a beach town. the kamakura talked in the manga probably drew inspiration from akita prefecture's kamakura festival. where snow huts are constructed similar to what monet made. also kamakura means snow hut.

you can see the actual info and the huts on the link below.



though that for me isnt conclusive enough to warrant to say she has snow type DF. i still keep my original idea of weather based DF that changes the attacks and defence based on the weather.
 

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becouse igloos are built from ice :) i sayed that i dont understand fixation with snow because there wasnt anything to point to that direction it is far more possible that it is some form of concrete or that she simply build walls rather than snow...

@OXellos i have mountain home where is 2 meters of snow from october till march and in the city we have 500 cm of snow.. so i know my snow :P



kamakura is town in japan...there wasnt any mention of snow... none
it's actually translated in mangastream, and says snow hut

the mangareader/panda translation left this out and left me confused about where people got the 'snow' bit from
 

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becouse igloos are built from ice :) i sayed that i dont understand fixation with snow because there wasnt anything to point to that direction it is far more possible that it is some form of concrete or that she simply build walls rather than snow...
Actually, the same could be said about your argument really... what's the fixation with concrete type materials? I have noticed it was predicted Monet might have an ability related to snow long before this Kamakura business came up because of how Monet seemed uncomfortable and in harpy form while on the fire side of the island and was able to hide better with little to no cloths on the frozen side. Though I don't remember who's theory this was, I don't think it got much attention at the time but I distinctly remember reading it on the Discussion/Prediction thread weeks or months ago.

I'll address your earlier post too for consistancy :^_^:

its been shown that her wings become liquid and it would make much more sense that her power is related to concrete since concrete transits from liquid to hard aggregate state over course of time...

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and as my second argument i will use Aokiji becouse ice and snow are two same things
You make a great point in favor of the concrete theory with the liquid turning into a solid. Although there are still plenty of other things that can have the same kind of properties ... wax, for example, was shown almost the same way when Mr. 3 used it and his candle wall was also similar in being liquid when used and hardening later... Mr. 3 being a paramecia. I also want to point out that wax itself isn't liquid at room temperature even though it's shown liquid when Mr. 3 produces it; so whatever Monet uses doesn't have to be something that can remain as both liquid and solid in room temperature.

As for ice vs. snow.... they are definitely not the same thing. This is the best way I can think of to explain it: When you make a snow sculpture, you take soft snow and pack it into a solid form. When you make an ice sculpture, you carve it with a hard sharp edge. Ice can't be shown as anything but a solid because it is specifically only a solid form of matter. Snow, on the other hand, could be described as a semi-solid or granular since it's composed of flakes packed together. And of course, snow starts to melt at room temperature as well :).

Personally, I don't mind whichever way it turns out to be. But I hope this gives a better idea of why many of people think Monet's ability is snow related (even though it's just speculation).
 
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ok than... but explain to me if snow flakes are small ice crystals how is that different element from ice?
 

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ok than... but explain to me if snow flakes are small ice crystals how is that different element from ice?
well fire is basically just any glowing gas (specifically from heat), don't see any distinction between ace and caeser

white smoke is also mainly incomplete combustion of gases, basically NOx, SOx and COx specifically, there's no distinction between smoker and caesar as well
 

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ok than... but explain to me if snow flakes are small ice crystals how is that different element from ice?
Different properties: In masses ice is solid like glass, and when it breaches the shards are pretty sharp. Snow on the other hand is still formable and softer. It definitely feels different to take a hit from a snow ball than one from an ice ball. ;)
 

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ok than... but explain to me if snow flakes are small ice crystals how is that different element from ice?
the difference between ice and snow;

the reason why ppl actually see these 2 as the same thing is because the snowflakes are actually ice. but snow itself is not. it contains the solidified particulates that atmosphere contains.that is why snow is granural material whereas ice is just solid water. snow can only occur where there is an upward motion of air and low-air pressure. whereas ice is just 1 of the known 15 solid phases of water.

there is a lot to explain about the differences than what is written here but i am sure you got the jist of it.


well fire is basically just any glowing gas (specifically from heat), don't see any distinction between ace and caeser

white smoke is also mainly incomplete combustion of gases, basically NOx, SOx and COx specifically, there's no distinction between smoker and caesar as well
fire is not the burning of any old gas it is the process of rapid oxidation(the name oxidation comes from the fact that the most common catalyst for combustion is oxygen but it is not the only 1. hydrogen can burn with chloride for example. the other known oxydizer is flourine.) of materials in the exothermic chemical process known as combustion. heat and light is the by products of this. this process can be achieved with any state of the material (coal, wood, kerosene, also acids mixed with water, and gasses.)

ceasar and ace r different in 1 key factor that ace can't fight without an oxydizer and where as ceasar can change the gas and can cause an explosion.

actually smoke and gas are 2 different things,

Smoke is; a collection of airborne solid and liquid particulates and gases emitted when a material undergoes combustion or pyrolysis, together with the quantity of air that is entrained or otherwise mixed into the mass.Gas on the other hand; is the state of a matter depending on their boiling point.also smoke is visible to the naked eye where as gasses r not.
 
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the difference between ice and snow;

the reason why ppl actually see these 2 as the same thing is because the snowflakes are actually ice. but snow itself is not. it contains the solidified form of every single gas that atmosphere contains.that is why snow is granural material whereas ice is just solid water. snow can only occur where there is an upward motion of air and low-air pressure. whereas ice is just 1 of the known 15 solid phases of water.

there is a lot to explain about the differences than what is written here but i am sure you got the jist of it.




fire is not the burning of any old gas it is the process of rapid oxidation(the name oxidation comes from the fact that the most common catalyst for combustion is oxygen but it is not the only 1. hydrogen can burn with chloride for example. the other known oxydizer is flourine.) of materials in the exothermic chemical process known as combustion. heat and light is the by products of this. this process can be achieved with any state of the material (coal, wood, kerosene, also acids mixed with water, and gasses.)

ceasar and ace r different in 1 key factor that ace can't fight without an oxydizer and where as ceasar can change the gas and can cause an explosion.

actually smoke and gas are 2 different things,

Smoke is; a collection of airborne solid and liquid particulates and gases emitted when a material undergoes combustion or pyrolysis, together with the quantity of air that is entrained or otherwise mixed into the mass.Gas on the other hand; is the state of a matter depending on their boiling point.also smoke is visible to the naked eye where as gasses r not.
if you wanna get technical, the flame (from ace's flame flame fruit) is just any glowing gas from heat

it's just commonly observed with combustion in our environment, where the still-oxidising particles glow while they release heat energy and rise due to convection, and thus linked in common usage to the combustion process known as fire. it does not have to be created by combustion
flames by themselves can be formed by any gas heated to above a certain temperature by any means to induce ionisation and causing it to glow

to make it simple, hydrogen fusion has zero oxidation, but still has flames aplenty. look at the sun which has zero oxidation happening and tell me if it's dark or bright

ace's powers are linked to flames, not fire in the combustion-process sense.


also, like you said, smoke is a combination of airbourne colloids and gases. its common main constituents are those gases i pointed out and any leftover fuel in liquid particulate form, and of course soot/ash. smoker hasn't been leaving any precipitate behind, so i assume his fruit powers don't consist of soot/ash at all.

smoke can be purely gaseous, and all you have to do is mix in enough atmospheric gas and it becomes totally clear after the unstable carbon and nitrogen and sulphur compounds have reacted to form stable ones. these, as far as i've seen, are mostly pure white, which is what smoker's smoke is portrayed as. if there were any solid/liquid particulate, many aeration devices in industrial chimneys wouldn't work and would clog up so badly it would be impracticable. also many chemical engineers would be fired and eating soup out of a can under a bridge near your house. we don't want that many people to lose their jobs do we?


good try with your wiki skills though

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oh, and snow IS referring to a collection of snowflakes

it might commonly contain contaminants as it falls, but the word 'snow' refers purely to the ice crystals

it's like saying 'water' is not 'water', 'it contains copper compounds and additives such as fluoride and chlorine' as it is commonly found from a tap.

no one cares, when people say 'water' people essentially are referring to its perfect scenario of just pure H2O, or substantially H2O without regard for any contaminants, which is substantially what any 'water' in common usage is

---------- Post added at 04:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:20 PM ----------

also i must point out that (off the top of my head), main atmospheric components:

oxygen liquifies at -183deg celcius and solidifies at -219deg celcius
nitrogen liquifies at -196deg celcius and solidifies at -210deg celcius
carbon dioxide liquifies at -57deg celcius and solidifies at - 78deg celcius

even carbon dioxide requires -78degC to form dry ice.

where on earth do you live to have snow be significantly made up of any other solid atmospheric gas than snowflakes? do you live on the poles? even around the poles you're mostly at -30 to -40deg celcius in the daytime, do you go out at night to play with the dry-ice-tainted snow on the few coldest weeks of the year?
 
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if you wanna get technical, the flame (from ace's flame flame fruit) is just any glowing gas from heat

it's just commonly observed with combustion in our environment, where the still-oxidising particles glow while they release heat energy and rise due to convection, and thus linked in common usage to the combustion process known as fire. it does not have to be created by combustion
flames by themselves can be formed by any gas heated to above a certain temperature by any means to induce ionisation and causing it to glow
yeah lets get technical. first af all flame-flame is just the translation they probably found more appropirate than fire-fire(mera-mera is apperently the sound of fire burning) moreover ace himself confirms he is a "fire". though that may not be the only reason since the kanji for fire "火" (hi) can also be translated as flame. though the correct kanji for flame is "炎"(honou).so i can accept the misconception about that 1.

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but i cant understand the misconception of Logia DFs; is characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element or force of nature. where in earth have "flame" become an natural element or force of nature?

But let me make 1 thing clear. Flame is the visible part of the gaseous fire.in other way of explanation; flame is a burning gas.and no ace and ceasar do have massive differences.


to make it simple, hydrogen fusion has zero oxidation, but still has flames aplenty. look at the sun which has zero oxidation happening and tell me if it's dark or bright

ace's powers are linked to flames, not fire in the combustion-process sense.
this make is easy? u want to have discussion about big bang nucleosynthesis and nuclear fusion? u want to prove your point by pointing out a plasma mass and fire? 2 concepts cannot even be discussed in the same sentence. 1 deals exclusively with laws of thermodynamics (specially 1st law.) the other 1 on the other hand just flies on the face of them.

about your inducing ionization point, it happens even in the low temperature of a candle flame it just doesnt burn hot enough to cause a complete1. inducing glow from any odd gas isnt all that hard to achieve without raising the temperatures to a certain point. (look plasma globe)


also, like you said, smoke is a combination of airbourne colloids and gases. its common main constituents are those gases i pointed out and any leftover fuel in liquid particulate form, and of course soot/ash. smoker hasn't been leaving any precipitate behind, so i assume his fruit powers don't consist of soot/ash at all.

smoke can be purely gaseous, and all you have to do is mix in enough atmospheric gas and it becomes totally clear after the unstable carbon and nitrogen and sulphur compounds have reacted to form stable ones. these, as far as i've seen, are mostly pure white, which is what smoker's smoke is portrayed as. if there were any solid/liquid particulate, many aeration devices in industrial chimneys wouldn't work and would clog up so badly it would be impracticable. also many chemical engineers would be fired and eating soup out of a can under a bridge near your house. we don't want that many people to lose their jobs do we?


good try with your wiki skills though
i believe that was called flue-gas desulfurization.which when applied is very enviroment friendly but doesnt produce smoker like smoke. it basically is gas at that stage. can u actually tell me smoke without colloids is smoke?without the necessary treatments (actual flue-gas ) is what is smoker like white and cloud like smoke. another way to achieve it is to burning of hydrogen-rich fuel produces water; this results in smoke containing droplets of water vapor. (nitrogen oxides, particulates... absence)

and dont diss wiki. it is the only place where i can find explanations where every1 can understand rather than going in detail to advanced and more often unwanted subjects. this is a manga/anime realted forum.

1 more u said smoker and ceasar have no distinctions. so having unknown number of gasses r the same of having only smoke?

---------- Post added at 04:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:06 PM ----------

oh, and snow IS referring to a collection of snowflakes

it might commonly contain contaminants as it falls, but the word 'snow' refers purely to the ice crystals

it's like saying 'water' is not 'water', 'it contains copper compounds and additives such as fluoride and chlorine' as it is commonly found from a tap.

no one cares, when people say 'water' people essentially are referring to its perfect scenario of just pure H2O, or substantially H2O without regard for any contaminants, which is substantially what any 'water' in common usage is

---------- Post added at 04:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:20 PM ----------

also i must point out that (off the top of my head), main atmospheric components:

oxygen liquifies at -183deg celcius and solidifies at -219deg celcius
nitrogen liquifies at -196deg celcius and solidifies at -210deg celcius
carbon dioxide liquifies at -57deg celcius and solidifies at - 78deg celcius

even carbon dioxide requires -78degC to form dry ice.

where on earth do you live to have snow be significantly made up of any other solid atmospheric gas than snowflakes? do you live on the poles? even around the poles you're mostly at -30 to -40deg celcius in the daytime, do you go out at night to play with the dry-ice-tainted snow on the few coldest weeks of the year?
this 1 suprised me and i was thinking what the hell is he oging on about atmospheric gasses when i realized it was my mistake that leds this. i must thank you for this 1. i will edit the post where i wrote idioticly solidified gasses when particulates was what was needed. i should have double checked.
 
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Well, I would think our must important clue so far is that kamakura does kinda mean snow hut according to the translations. We don't have much to go on in that regard.
 

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i see guys tbat you are all smart but whats the point? you are all wrong, this have nothing to do with science.. do you think that 12 year olds know what are coloids? basicly this is mythology combined with very simple science, the way you all go into detail oda should have masters degree in physics, chemistry and what not
 

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Yeah... I probably learned more about the chemical properties of combustion reading the posts above than I did in my college thermodynamics class. They were very informative :^_^.

At least when it comes to snow and ice, when you take two equal masses of each, even though their chemical properties are the same (crystallized water), they have different physical properties like density, stiffness, and brittleness/hardness. If you only compare one snowflake with a tiny ice crystal, their physical properties wouldn't be different at all which is what you're (Zoronoa Roro) comparing. But when you take a large lump of snow and compare with a large lump of ice their physical properties are not the same. Basically, if you get snowed in vs. when you got ice covering your pavements outside, you don't treat them the same way even though at the micro level they're both ice crystals; instead you take each case at a macro level "snow" as a massive layer that needs to be shoveled, or sheets of ice that need to be broken and removed.

Also, when it comes to elements, there's different definitions for that word too. In chemistry, an element would be things like Oxygen vs. Iron. In alchemy and in some philosophies, elements are like air vs water (even wood sometimes). I think when Oda uses the word "element" he's using it more as the 2nd definition, but not completely because he has used things like smoke and swamp as elements which I haven't seen anywhere else.
 

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i see guys tbat you are all smart but whats the point? you are all wrong, this have nothing to do with science.. do you think that 12 year olds know what are coloids? basicly this is mythology combined with very simple science, the way you all go into detail oda should have masters degree in physics, chemistry and what not
when i read your post i just couldnt stop laughing. i guess just caught up in the moment lost track of things sry.

Yeah... I probably learned more about the chemical properties of combustion reading the posts above than I did in my college thermodynamics class. They were very informative :^_^.

At least when it comes to snow and ice, when you take two equal masses of each, even though their chemical properties are the same (crystallized water), they have different physical properties like density, stiffness, and brittleness/hardness. If you only compare one snowflake with a tiny ice crystal, their physical properties wouldn't be different at all which is what you're (Zoronoa Roro) comparing. But when you take a large lump of snow and compare with a large lump of ice their physical properties are not the same. Basically, if you get snowed in vs. when you got ice covering your pavements outside, you don't treat them the same way even though at the micro level they're both ice crystals; instead you take each case at a macro level "snow" as a massive layer that needs to be shoveled, or sheets of ice that need to be broken and removed.

Also, when it comes to elements, there's different definitions for that word too. In chemistry, an element would be things like Oxygen vs. Iron. In alchemy and in some philosophies, elements are like air vs water (even wood sometimes). I think when Oda uses the word "element" he's using it more as the 2nd definition, but not completely because he has used things like smoke and swamp as elements which I haven't seen anywhere else.
u r right about the elemental definition of the alchemy and 4 main elements.chemistry has no bearing on OP logia DFs. i think he created logias based on the occurences of things natural on world. like magma, swamp,smoke, gas... in a way we can group them with the known 4 elements and the main 2 elemenst of light and dark.for example a magma can be said to have both earth and fire, also swamp(the 1 caribou uses isnt actually swamp but more like bog or muskeg)earth and water... smoke wind,fire. etc etc. ( for some reason i feel like i am writing on naruto post :) )
 

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AAA forget it, fire is common. It's not really an element (in some philosophies it is), but who cares, this is manga.

Ace's fire fruit can be connected to flames as excitation - deexcitation & photon emission process, but also to combustion. I guess we won't find out... you can ask Oda if you want. But again: this is manga, just enjoy it for what it is and don't bother with science, which describes OUR world.

Overlapping of abilities is not a problem, as long as it's not exaggerated. Actually, it's interesting to have fights where attacks can be countered because of it, but also disappointing because some abilities will hardly not be inferior to other (Ace vs. Akainu).
 
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