Discussion How was the Kurta Tribe wiped out?

[mrsticky005]

Alright the Phantom Troupe is hella strong but there's reason to think the Kurtas were no pushovers: Uvogin's compliment of them being tough and Emperor Time.

Emperor Time makes Kurapika take a level in bad ass.

Imagine a tribe of Kurapikas.

Now, yes, it was the Chain Jail that was ultimately the deciding factor against
Uvogin. Without it I'm pretty sure Kurapika would be a pancake.

But what about Uvo vs

2 Kurapikas?
4 Kurapikas?
16 Kurapikas?
144 Kurapikas
1000 Kurapikas?

Even without any Chain Jail that is not a simple match.

Of course the Phantom Troupe is a damn strong bunch themselves.

But the Kurtas seemed to have been massacred.

Is the Phantom Troupe just THAT powerful? Or is there something we don't know.

 

[futurefrog]

Alright the Phantom Troupe is hella strong but there's reason to think the Kurtas were no pushovers: Uvogin's compliment of them being tough and Emperor Time.

Emperor Time makes Kurapika take a level in bad ass.

Imagine a tribe of Kurapikas.

Now, yes, it was the Chain Jail that was ultimately the deciding factor against
Uvogin. Without it I'm pretty sure Kurapika would be a pancake.

But what about Uvo vs

2 Kurapikas?
4 Kurapikas?
16 Kurapikas?
144 Kurapikas
1000 Kurapikas?

Even without any Chain Jail that is not a simple match.

Of course the Phantom Troupe is a damn strong bunch themselves.

But the Kurtas seemed to have been massacred.

Is the Phantom Troupe just THAT powerful? Or is there something we don't know.

You're going under the assumption that all of the Kurta were as strong as Kurapika and had the same or similar abilities to him. Think of it like this, Kurapika has said that he can take on a Troupe member 1 on 1, multiple members would prove difficult to him. He beat Uvo because of the ability Chain Jail. Now I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that none of the Kurta clan had a move involving chains similar to Kurapikas. I'm also gonna presume that the Kurta did nothing to provoke the Troupe. As I said all of this has to be assumptions. Were the clan strong? Yes, we know that. Were they able to beat the Troupe? Nope. Why was Kurapika able to event dent the Troupe? Simple, his vengeance helped him develop very specific abilities made to combat these people specifically. The Kurta clan as a whole did not have the same vengeance against the Troupe as Kurapika, because you know they all just got straight up killed. So lets just say that yes the Phantom Troupe is THAT powerful and the reason why Kurapika even made a dent is very specific to him personally and not at all a representation of the clan as a whole.

 

[MegamanX195]

You're going under the assumption that all of the Kurta were as strong as Kurapika and had the same or similar abilities to him. Think of it like this, Kurapika has said that he can take on a Troupe member 1 on 1, multiple members would prove difficult to him. He beat Uvo because of the ability Chain Jail. Now I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that none of the Kurta clan had a move involving chains similar to Kurapikas. I'm also gonna presume that the Kurta did nothing to provoke the Troupe. As I said all of this has to be assumptions. Were the clan strong? Yes, we know that. Were they able to beat the Troupe? Nope. Why was Kurapika able to event dent the Troupe? Simple, his vengeance helped him develop very specific abilities made to combat these people specifically. The Kurta clan as a whole did not have the same vengeance against the Troupe as Kurapika, because you know they all just got straight up killed. So lets just say that yes the Phantom Troupe is THAT powerful and the reason why Kurapika even made a dent is very specific to him personally and not at all a representation of the clan as a whole.

Didn't I tell you?

I'm pretty sure Emperor Time is a Kurapika-exclusive move (the chains too, but that's obvious). Also, Kurapika gets ginormous rage boosts whenever he confronts any spider. The only thing that Emperor Time probably does for every Kuruta is increasing their Aura output (and possibly the max Aura too), since Kurapika's master stated that his aura increased as soon as he got into Scarlet Eyes state (and this was before Kurapika created Emperor Time).

Maybe Kurapika was the first one to transform Scarlet Eyes into an actual ability (and even train himself to use it whenever he wants!).

 

[kulugo]

do they even know nen?

 

[Cinnabar]

What everyone else said.

And also, don't forget that Kurapika meticulously planned his Nen for the Spiders. They were specifically made for the Spiders. And his plan only ever worked because he was fighting against Uvo in a deserted place one on one. I think his victory was mainly due to strategic planning. So if the Spiders were to ambush Kurapika, he would be in a lot of trouble. I think this would also be the case if they ambush the clan; especially considering how the clan probably never had Emperor Time, and they certainly didn't have Spider-specific Nen. Kurapika strikes me as the kind of person who relies heavily on strategies and planning. Of course, I can't say the same for his clan members since we don't know much about them, but I'm guessing they would have trouble with an ambush. Especially if the Spiders planned it well.

But this is all speculation.

 

[futurefrog]

do they even know nen?

The thing is we know nothing about them other than that Uvo considered them to be 'tough'. Other than that all we can do is make assumptions.

 

[Uriel]

Kuruta were strong. Not hell strong, but strong. We have to remind ourselves that not every character and their neighbor knows Nen.

 

[riniloves]

Kurta lives away from civilization, so how they gonna able to know nen? They're like exclusive tribesman that migrated anywhere, theyre nomads who doesnt have their own home...
I am wondering how were Ryodan located them...
I am wondering did they really know anything outside???
Thats what i think....
They died becoz they had beautiful eyes, but what about other issues, like land, inside conflict etc...
I also think that some scientist are involve in this coz I dont think the troupe has sufficient medical knowledge to just grab their eyes like that.. so many theories etc...
all I can say, its nice to imagine, we dont know the whole story yet...

 

[GingFuriksu]

I would HAVE to assume that they knew Nen because Uvogin said they were " tough " If you don't have Nen and you get punched by Uvo.... its OVER

Well now that the Hunter movie isn't about Kurapika's back story, hopefully Togashi writes it in the manga.... we all know the man hates flashbacks ( I don't really know if he does ) Just saying because he barely does them. He's like the opposite of Oda, Oda can't go ONE arc without a flashback.

Maybe the fourth member died in the massacre ? They never explained how HE died, right ? Only the 8th member, which he died by the hands of Silva.

 

[mousiehamster]

Have a feeling the Troupe won't use nen on people who don't know how to use it. So maybe their physical stats and combat abilities were pretty good. To be honest, Kurapika beating Uvo made little sense to me - how he managed to tank Big Bang Impact even with Emperor Time is completely beyond me.

 

[Half The Sky]

Well, it's impossible to really gauge what their brute strengths were in numbers or nen, but it's possible to guess how it came to pass. There's also nothing on how they located the Kurta.

Given that the characters in manga were telling the truth, 36 known remaining pairs of Kurta scarlet eyes exist in the world, this hints some or all of: the clumsiness of the eye owners, the small size of the clan, or the difficulty of capturing the eyes during the scarlet state. The last two facts respectively suggests the ease of killing a small population (which would likely include children), and the unlikelihood that they were assassinated quickly.

Kurapika mentioned that only the eyes were missing from the corpses when he (we?) came across them. When he visited the Nostrad family mansion for the first time, it's suggested that it's preferred to have a severed head and the scarlet eyes. So, if Togashi is consistent at all, and if the Phantom Troupe's attack really was the end of the genocide, this discrepancy(?) would mean that the tribe was hunted before the Spiders became involved. So, there may have been some splintering of the clan's original size before the Chrollo decided to make his move; a small size and knowledge of past killing attempts may have made the Kurta remnants closely-bonded and cautious to outsider attacks.

Of the Ryodan who are known to recollect the genocide's events, it is suggested that at least Chrollo, Feitan, Pakunoda, Phinks (not very clear), and Uvogin were participating. If any of the Kurta knew nen and were experienced nearly as much as the Troupe at that time, it would have been in Chrollo's interests to maximize his scarlet state gains by drawing out fights to separate the strong from the weak and/or personally holding out baits. In that regard, Uvo would be a useful compliment for long fights, while Feitan and Phinks would be inclined to one-sided murder. Pakunoda would have been useful for extracting knowledge of any escapees.

 

[mrsticky005]

Didn't I tell you?

I'm pretty sure Emperor Time is a Kurapika-exclusive move (the chains too, but that's obvious). Also, Kurapika gets ginormous rage boosts whenever he confronts any spider. The only thing that Emperor Time probably does for every Kuruta is increasing their Aura output (and possibly the max Aura too), since Kurapika's master stated that his aura increased as soon as he got into Scarlet Eyes state (and this was before Kurapika created Emperor Time).

Maybe Kurapika was the first one to transform Scarlet Eyes into an actual ability (and even train himself to use it whenever he wants!).

When Kurapika's eyes goes Scarlet he becomes a specialist. Shouldn't it be this way for any other Kurta with scarlet eyes?

But then again Kurapika didn't know this and since they were a "peaceful" clan that they never thought to use such an ability?

 

[futurefrog]

I would HAVE to assume that they knew Nen because Uvogin said they were " tough " If you don't have Nen and you get punched by Uvo.... its OVER

Well now that the Hunter movie isn't about Kurapika's back story, hopefully Togashi writes it in the manga.... we all know the man hates flashbacks ( I don't really know if he does ) Just saying because he barely does them. He's like the opposite of Oda, Oda can't go ONE arc without a flashback.

Maybe the fourth member died in the massacre ? They never explained how HE died, right ? Only the 8th member, which he died by the hands of Silva.

Togashi has done like 4 flashbacks in the entirety of the series lol. He does not like using flashbacks as a story-telling crutch like some other mangaka *cough* Kishi *cough* Oda *cough*

 

[GingFuriksu]

Togashi has done like 4 flashbacks in the entirety of the series lol. He does not like using flashbacks as a story-telling crutch like some other mangaka *cough* Kishi *cough* Oda *cough*

ROFL !! Ikr Well when I meant a " flashback " I meant more than one chapter Like a flashback mini arc.

 

[Phantron]

The Kurta Tribe was described as 'tough' but obviously not tough enough to beat the Spiders.

Specialize isn't really necessarily that strong. It's strong compared to Materialize which seems to be the short end of stick if your goal is being better at fighting (like Kurapika's master said, if you want to materialize a good sword you could just go buy a good sword too). Also keep in mind not everyone trains their abilities to fighting stuff. Even if they had a full tribe of Specialize users they could've just used that to develop ability like say, Neon's, which would be pretty useless in an actual fight.

 

[MegamanX195]

When Kurapika's eyes goes Scarlet he becomes a specialist. Shouldn't it be this way for any other Kurta with scarlet eyes?

But then again Kurapika didn't know this and since they were a "peaceful" clan that they never thought to use such an ability?

Yeah, my bad, forgot to mention it. It's probable that all of the members become Specialists in that state, but they probably never found out/trained it.

 

[mrsticky005]

Yeah, my bad, forgot to mention it. It's probable that all of the members become Specialists in that state, but they probably never found out/trained it.

sounds reasonable.

but suppose they did they would be like an army of Kurapikas.

Oh the irony.

 

[Phantron]

All it said is that Kurapika's aura output increases greatly while under the effect of the eyes.

Again there's really no inherent superiority for being a Specialize person. Neon is completely useless at fighitng, so unless you've a bunch of guys who spend their life trying to figure out how to kill people, even if you've a group of all Specialize people there's really no guaranteed why you'd even try to develop fighting techniques. Also Specialize is furthest away from Reinforcement, which means you'll be very bad at hand to hand combat comparatively.

Materialize just absolutely sucks for combat purposes. If you want to materialize a sword, just go buy a sword. If you put say paralyze on your materialized sword, you can just coat a real sword with paralyzing poison. Materialize seems to be a strictly 'support' school when it comes to combat.

 

[mrsticky005]

All it said is that Kurapika's aura output increases greatly while under the effect of the eyes.

Again there's really no inherent superiority for being a Specialize person. Neon is completely useless at fighitng, so unless you've a bunch of guys who spend their life trying to figure out how to kill people, even if you've a group of all Specialize people there's really no guaranteed why you'd even try to develop fighting techniques. Also Specialize is furthest away from Reinforcement, which means you'll be very bad at hand to hand combat comparatively.

Materialize just absolutely sucks for combat purposes. If you want to materialize a sword, just go buy a sword. If you put say paralyze on your materialized sword, you can just coat a real sword with paralyzing poison. Materialize seems to be a strictly 'support' school when it comes to combat.

Good point on Neon.

Well I think that makes the topic answered.

Alright guys...

Dance Party!

 

[kulugo]

The thing is we know nothing about them other than that Uvo considered them to be 'tough'. Other than that all we can do is make assumptions.

Killua and Gon was strong even before they knew nen.