First Round 26. (Blackbeard vs Aokiji)

[Razh]

I believe BB can breabk any ice Aokiji uses against him. It was stated that gura gura no mi is the strongest paramecia fruit, said to have the power to destroy the wole world! What can ice do against something like that??? And if this is not enough, he also has a fruit that create f*king black holes! I don't like BB but there's no way Aokiji can beat him. 2 broken fruits + best endurance seem so far + haki (even if he's not so proficiet with it as Aokiji) wins this fight.

Ice can also kill every living creature in the world. Earthquake creates a humongous tsunami, ice freezes it in 2 seconds. You don't have to ask dumb questions with 3 exclamation marks.
Whitebeard had quake fruit. Aokiji managed to freeze him just fine. If WB didn't make his mini quake in the last second, the fight would be over. I'm just saying that BB would have to do the same. Can he do it every time? What if Aokiji does something like changing the climate of the place they are fighting on completely? Sooner or later, extreme cold would affect BB and he couldn't fight at his full potential. That's the real power of ice fruit, really.

And I don't know where you're getting this "best endurance seem so far" thing. Really? After everything WB has gone through and died standing. After all the Luffy's battles and Zoro's confrontation with Kuma? After what we saw Wiper withstand on Skypiea? BB's endurance wasn't that special, in comparison.

The way you see BB, it's a wonder he didn't kill all other Yonkou and defeat WG already.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Mr. Arashi
Well, I don't get your point about Hancock winning against Urouge. Urouge was really useless and one of the weakest Supernovas, while Hancock not only is a Shichibukai with a broken DF, but also is able to break Pacifistas like nuts before timeskip without any problems. It seems that her CoA Haki before timeskip alone was better than entire attacking power of the entire Mugivara crew, so how can useless Urouge would win against her if he would even loose to Sanji or Zoro before timeskip. Not even talking about Luffy.

About BB and Ao Kiji. Even though BB has two DFs, neither of the two gives him an unbeatable fit. Of course he managed to defeat Ace with it, but Ace didn't know anything about his ability, while Ao Kiji knows. Also before timeskip we knew that Ace was obviously strong, but he wasn't as strong with his DF as any of the Admirals and he obviously didn't know how to use CoA Haki, otherwise we would have seen it. Where we know that the guys like Ao Kiji not only are monsters with their DFs, but also seem to be quite great in Haki usage, thus all his attacks will be damn strong and he would be also able to block most of BB's attacks to some extent as we've seen that Admirals managed to block Wb's quakes to some extent, while obviously BB isn't as good with WB's DF as WB was...

Giammaio
Well, you obviously don't get my point.
I'm against Blackbeard in this fight. Though I can't agree with you in terms that Teach is as weak as you try to portray him, but let's leave it be as I think we won't get to the one opinion at the end.

 

[Zehahaha]

I don't know what to think about this honestly

Well, BB does have the perfect tools to deal with Aokiji : Gravity, Quakes. He can pull anytime Aokiji and just beat the crap out of him, normally, Aokiji wouldn't be able to use Ice Age on BB at all, the moment he'd be touched by BB, he's fucked basically. But then again this is BB we're talking about, he's that careless and a little bit arrogant guy, and Aokiji is just that beast who isn't like BB and isn't arrogant at all

I do still believe that Aokiji would win this one, but I think it would be a close one for him...

 

[leshrak]

Ice can also kill every living creature in the world. Earthquake creates a humongous tsunami, ice freezes it in 2 seconds. You don't have to ask dumb questions with 3 exclamation marks.
Whitebeard had quake fruit. Aokiji managed to freeze him just fine. If WB didn't make his mini quake in the last second, the fight would be over. I'm just saying that BB would have to do the same. Can he do it every time? What if Aokiji does something like changing the climate of the place they are fighting on completely? Sooner or later, extreme cold would affect BB and he couldn't fight at his full potential. That's the real power of ice fruit, really.

And I don't know where you're getting this "best endurance seem so far" thing. Really? After everything WB has gone through and died standing. After all the Luffy's battles and Zoro's confrontation with Kuma? After what we saw Wiper withstand on Skypiea? BB's endurance wasn't that special, in comparison.

The way you see BB, it's a wonder he didn't kill all other Yonkou and defeat WG already.

Ice can freeze tsunamis indeed, but it couldn't freeze WB. You can't compare yonkous with huge amounts of water. A tsunami can't counter ice whith another quake as WB, and now BB, can. And yes, I believe he can do it every time until he gets tires and just absorbs the ice with gravity like he did to Ace's fire.

You are right about him not having the best endurance, I totally forgot about WB. But he is in second place. He was pierced by two fire lances, took a point--blanck quake on his head, a gear second and a hit from sengoku in Budah form (all is on one-piece wiki if you want to check). That is far more damage than Luffy, Zoro, Viper or anyone else ever wihtstood.

The reason BB don't kill every other Yonko is that... we have no idea what they can do. The reason he don't defeat WG are probably guys like Sengoku, garp (ok, maybe not now because they retired) and fighting 2 admirals + shishibukay + millions of other marines.

Ps.: and btw, no question is ever dumb

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

leshrak
Well, about endurance...
The same Akainu took several quakes in his face and he was still quite kicking compared to BB. Also about Zoro and Luffy and Wiper. They managed to take several insanely strong attacks from Enel. We are counting out Luffy from that case. but it was still a great fit for Zoro and Wiper. Also you shouldn't forget the moment Zoro was transfered Luffy's pain by Kuma and he managed to withstand it and you should also count that he recieved quite some damage himself dyring the fight against Oars before that...
So, no I don't agree that BB stands near the top of tanks in One Piece.

 

[Razh]

Rhetorical questions can sometimes be dumb. Just sayin'.

BB never got pierced with any fire, otherwise he'd have 2 holes in his chest and his lungs would have been scorched. Those 2 fire lances just got stuck in his torso, no piercing.

As for ice. I don't know what else to write. If you really think that BB can just aborsb all the ice from the person who did that to Punk Hazard, then there's no point in discussing further. Aokiji also has intangibility advantage. He can hurt BB more than he can hurt him, in the sense that he can hurt BB without having to touch him. Kurouzu is not al allmigthy thing. In fact, the move is a pretty big risk. Once you start dragging someone to you, you're basically a sitting duck. We saw Ace make use of that pretty well. Aokiji is even more dangerous. And we never really got to see Aokiji really serious, when fighting alone, without other marines to worry about. We only heard about it and saw the results. But the dude fought Akainu for 10 days, a guy with an obvious and unfair devil fruit advantage, and it looks like Akainu barely won. Half of the island is still a frozen wasteland.

 

[leshrak]

Jorge D. Dragon

Yeah, Akainu surviving all of that was amazing But it took him some time to recover, while BB was immediately up after the hits. Enel may be a Logia but he’s nowhere near admiral or yonko. I believe he’s lightning is far weaker then Sengoku’s strike or Ace’s fire. If he was that strong, no way Luffy and crew could have defeated him so early on the manga
As for Zoro, my argument is basically the same. Sure it was a lot of pain and was impressive that he could survive that, but in the end, Don Flamingo showed that Moria was quite a weak shishibukai. He and Lars were fearsome because pre time skip stawhats were weak in comparison with world’s top pirates/marines. All that damage would probably do nothing against these guys. That’s why I think BB is one of the best tanks. He survived against really fearsome and powerful adversaries, some of the best fighters in the world.

Rahz

I actually like rhetorical questions sometimes ^_^
He’s a logia, even if he’s not tangible as others, maybe he can still close some holes.
My point is that we can’t compare damage to places with damage to people. It’s shonen. Freeza could destroy the universe but couldn’t kill Goku, it’s the same idea (not saying that BB is stronger than Goku ). Then why didn’t Aokiji used Ice age against WB crew from the start? He probably can control his fruit to not freeze his fellow marines in the process. As I said before, freezing tsunamis and islands is not the same as freezing people, as nature doesn’t fight back. That’s my opinion.
Ace also had this advantage but it didn’t save him in the end. As for Korouzou, BB is a smart guy, I don’t think he would use it on a time it would be disadvantageous to him.

It would sure be a hard and long fight but I still believe BB would win in the end.

 

[Giammaio]

Let's bring this to a very childish level.

Aokiji Vs BB

Their fighting on an island. Aokiji uses ice age, and just hides, until BB dies of hypothermia.

If something that easy could kill him, then I really don't know what to say guys.

 

[Razh]

Let's bring this to a very childish level.

Aokiji Vs BB

Their fighting on an island. Aokiji uses ice age, and just hides, until BB dies of hypothermia.

If something that easy could kill him, then I really don't know what to say guys.

But that's not easy. Only one man in the whole world can do it. I suppose Magellan walking past BB while the latter was dying in pain also left you speechless? Some abilities in One Piece are just that unfair. I don't think Aokiji would have to hide, though.

 

[Mr. Arashi]

I repeat, based on what we've seen, Aokiji has advantage. What we've seen.

The advantage of not being able to freeze out quakes.

If WB didn't make his mini quake in the last second, the fight would be over. I'm just saying that BB would have to do the same. Can he do it every time?

Ofcourse no. This is just a matter of focusing in the thing, when Kizaru fought with Newgate, he withstand many light beams but after those, he lose concentration and stop using his quake power, this applicates to Aokiji and being freezed. We have Luffy, Robin and Buggy with minions to understand that ice is not mortal on One Piece.

What if Aokiji does something like changing the climate of the place they are fighting on completely? Sooner or later, extreme cold would affect BB and he couldn't fight at his full potential. That's the real power of ice fruit, really.

What? Had you seen something like this in real time? to do it in five seconds maximun i'm asking...

And I don't know where you're getting this "best endurance seem so far" thing. Really? After everything WB has gone through and died standing. After all the Luffy's battles and Zoro's confrontation with Kuma? After what we saw Wiper withstand on Skypiea? BB's endurance wasn't that special, in comparison.

The man is double hurted by any attack, that indeed is a great matter of endurance after receiving a earthquake that trembles the world in his neck, and stand after that, just sayin.

Mr. Arashi
Well, I don't get your point about Hancock winning against Urouge. Urouge was really useless and one of the weakest Supernovas, while Hancock not only is a Shichibukai with a broken DF, but also is able to break Pacifistas like nuts before timeskip without any problems. It seems that her CoA Haki before timeskip alone was better than entire attacking power of the entire Mugivara crew, so how can useless Urouge would win against her if he would even loose to Sanji or Zoro before timeskip. Not even talking about Luffy.

About BB and Ao Kiji. Even though BB has two DFs, neither of the two gives him an unbeatable fit. Of course he managed to defeat Ace with it, but Ace didn't know anything about his ability, while Ao Kiji knows. Also before timeskip we knew that Ace was obviously strong, but he wasn't as strong with his DF as any of the Admirals and he obviously didn't know how to use CoA Haki, otherwise we would have seen it. Where we know that the guys like Ao Kiji not only are monsters with their DFs, but also seem to be quite great in Haki usage, thus all his attacks will be damn strong and he would be also able to block most of BB's attacks to some extent as we've seen that Admirals managed to block Wb's quakes to some extent, while obviously BB isn't as good with WB's DF as WB was...

Had you seen defeated PX's by Hancock? I'm just saw how a part of his head was petrified. But this point go by demonstrate how Aokiji is inflated to the most by his fans.

Knowing the stats before the match is not an argument to me, show me how Aokiji can defeat Teach, no one says nothing except, he freeze him, and i demonstrated how can he dodge that.

Also, Marco and Jozu are Haki users and Teach was in Newgate crew while Roger was killed, so it's impossible that he doesn't know to use Haki. More over, i can demonstrate that his punchs have it embued here, just by onomatopoeia who looks the same to when is used Haki.

 

[Zehahaha]

Also, Marco and Jozu are Haki users and Teach was in Newgate crew while Roger was killed, so it's impossible that he doesn't know to use Haki. More over, i can demonstrate that his punchs have it embued here, just by onomatopoeia who looks the same to when is used Haki.

He didn't use Haki back then... You do realize that thanks to his Yami Yami no Mi, he can render logia intangibility useless if he touches them right ?

 

[Razh]

There you go again with that same crap about quakes not being able to get frozen after we covered it already so many times. In fact I wrote it first on the first fucking page. Learn to read man. This way the discussion only goes in circles. I wrote all I had on the matter. Someone who keeps writing same things over and over without regard to previous posts could be considered a troll.

 

[Mr. Arashi]

He didn't use Haki back then... You do realize that thanks to his Yami Yami no Mi, he can render logia intangibility useless if he touches them right ?

Yep, but what i meant is that he can use it, no more else. Look when Teach prepares his hit, only that little part, there's something write above, that i have seen it when haki is used.

There you go again with that same crap about quakes not being able to get frozen after we covered it already so many times. In fact I wrote it first on the first fucking page. Learn to read man. This way the discussion only goes in circles. I wrote all I had on the matter. Someone who keeps writing same things over and over without regard to previous posts could be considered a troll.

I think writing the same things would be a spammer and not a troll xd
Your point is that changing the enviroment will help Aokiji's freezing powers whether i read rightfully. Well sorry to notice something very particular of Aokiji that it looks like you have not noticed... He can freeze water instantly, but things no... just looking when he freeze people or Newgate's bisento. While making Blackhole is just a matter of seconds to cover a full town.

Even in that Aokiji lose in stats Also i have argue the point of dying by drain loss. But sorry to not even looked the first page before.

 

[Zehahaha]

Are you sure about that ? I don't recall ever seeing any SFX about COA being used, in fact, there's no distinct sign that is used (except Hardening), care to post more examples ?

 

[Mr. Arashi]

Are you sure about that ? I don't recall ever seeing any SFX about COA being used, in fact, there's no distinct sign that is used (except Hardening), care to post more examples ?

Sure man. Now taking a better look. This is pure Busoshoku, making the armor bigger to stand the earthquake, but as you can see, i was wrong, it's different.

But taking a look to a different moment, resembles Haoshoku, so we can start saying that Haoshoku can be put on a punch like Busoshoku. Such a mess i made xdd

 

[Giammaio]

You're just focusing on the fact that BB can make quackes.

The reason ace got sucked in it's because he didn't realize what was going on, what If aokiji, frezez himself to the ground, or makes several ice barriers infront of him, to resist?

Also, Immagine akoiji does get sucked in, and gets punched, Akoji will then throw he's strongest ranged attacks, also what if Aokiji starts freezing the ground.

man this is just stupid, BB can't win YET, point.

 

[Mr. Arashi]

You're just focusing on the fact that BB can make quackes.

The reason ace got sucked in it's because he didn't realize what was going on, what If aokiji, frezez himself to the ground, or makes several ice barriers infront of him, to resist?

Also, Immagine akoiji does get sucked in, and gets punched, Akoji will then throw he's strongest ranged attacks, also what if Aokiji starts freezing the ground.

man this is just stupid, BB can't win YET, point.

And you in only freezing

Throws a Quake, then he make Blackhole and sucks the rest of him

While he gets punched, one hand of Teach holds Kuzan's body and he don't have powers

This is fun man, enjoy the discussion

 

[Giammaio]

And you in only freezing

Throws a Quake, then he make Blackhole and sucks the rest of him

While he gets punched, one hand of Teach holds Kuzan's body and he don't have powers

This is fun man, enjoy the discussion

Dude this is a marine admiral your talking about, not some rookie idiot.