Shounen Silver Spoon by Arakawa Hiromu

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The silent pages were quite nice and moving. I'm surprised by Komaba decision, he still has 2 other years. Now I'm wondering how his friend will make him come back too.
 

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making cheese. i actually liked nakajima-sensei today he had some good quotes. but the kicker was given by tokiwa. it really is interesting how komaba was sitting in his bull pen solemnly. it reminded me of a time when i was in high-school.....can i say this manga is the best shounen of 2012?
 

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5000¥ a kg of raclette !! Hopefully the one we ate last saturday wasn't that expensive.
 

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What a chapter. :O

The cow part at the beginning was kinda disturbing.
 

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That was a predictable plot development. If it wasn't X, it was going to be Y, but either way, it was always going to end up at Z.

The Fat Chick's explanation as to why Mikage didn't say anything is complete b.s.. If the author is going to introduce something as a plot development, they might actually want to understand how X thing actually works. That is especially annoying considering there was a perfectly reasonable answer that isn't full of crap: it wasn't her place to say anything.
 

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The Fat Chick's explanation as to why Mikage didn't say anything is complete b.s.. If the author is going to introduce something as a plot development, they might actually want to understand how X thing actually works. That is especially annoying considering there was a perfectly reasonable answer that isn't full of crap: it wasn't her place to say anything.
I agreed with Humpty Dumpty's reason. Financial situations are among the most private of secrets. It is because our world has a view that those who do not earn money or pay off their bills & taxes must be losers and should be punished. Bringing up a financial situation invokes pity. There is a pervasive view that by bringing up a desperate situation, you must be asking for some kind of entitlement or handout because you didn't work hard enough. Plus, enemies flock to that knowledge.

Mikage kept it an absolute secret out of respect for her friend's situation. In my opinion, she did the right thing. Nothing changes others view towards you like the knowledge that your parent is a financial failure.
 

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That was a predictable plot development. If it wasn't X, it was going to be Y, but either way, it was always going to end up at Z.
What are we exactly supposed to understand here ? In my case, I didn't forsee the bankrupcy but I'm glad there is a serious reason for Komaba leaving school. I hope there is a way to come back though.

And farmers have everything but a silver spoon in their mouth. I'm glad that we see this harsh reality for once.
 

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I agreed with Humpty Dumpty's reason. Financial situations are among the most private of secrets. It is because our world has a view that those who do not earn money or pay off their bills & taxes must be losers and should be punished. Bringing up a financial situation invokes pity. There is a pervasive view that by bringing up a desperate situation, you must be asking for some kind of entitlement or handout because you didn't work hard enough. Plus, enemies flock to that knowledge.
Except that isn't what she is saying. She is implying that there is some sort of legal prohibition against mentioning it or that it would have threatened the proceedings, neither of which is true.

Mikage kept it an absolute secret out of respect for her friend's situation.
And that was what I said was the viable explanation.

What are we exactly supposed to understand here ? In my case, I didn't forsee the bankrupcy but I'm glad there is a serious reason for Komaba leaving school. I hope there is a way to come back though.
It was absolutely a given that Komaba was going to be leaving the school. The specific reason was irrelevant and you could easily swap in alternatives. (mother is ill being the first that comes to mind)
 

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Komaba leaving the school is known since they lost the match so indeed you didn't need to be a genious to see that. Why did he left was not known though and that specific reason is not irrelevant ; that's what makes a story. Actually speaking of the financial difficulties of the farming industry is more interesting than the drama of a mother illness since it is something that is a real issue. If only Hachiken seems to be concerned by what happens to Komaba, it's probably because his friends have seen such things happen many times around them already.
 

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Komaba leaving the school is known since they lost the match so indeed you didn't need to be a genious to see that.
It was obvious since nothing immediately resulted from the conversation Komaba had with Mikage that neither of them wanted to talk about.

Why did he left was not known though and that specific reason is not irrelevant ; that's what makes a story.
It is absolutely irrelevant. Narratives are about characters and the specific plot device an author uses to bring about some change is unimportant when compared to the effect of that device on the characters.

Actually speaking of the financial difficulties of the farming industry is more interesting than the drama of a mother illness since it is something that is a real issue.
It would amount to the same thing. Komaba would have to leave school because his family could not afford to shut down their farm, even for a short period. Assuming the hypothetical illness was not life threatening, you could focus entirely on the financial aspect.
 

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Except that isn't what she is saying. She is implying that there is some sort of legal prohibition against mentioning it or that it would have threatened the proceedings, neither of which is true.
It's about redemption actually. If you are in financial dire straits, is it better to let others work under the assumption that you are doing fine or let them know that you have a weakness? By keeping it absolute secret, Komaba's family company could survive under the pretense of possible redemption. That didn't happen.
 

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All we needed to psych up this place was komaba to leave the school lol.
Except that isn't what she is saying. She is implying that there is some sort of legal prohibition against mentioning it or that it would have threatened the proceedings, neither of which is true.
You are clearly misunderstanding what is being said. She clearly explains the law in there. when a company files for bankruptcy; unless you want to make it known, is 1 of the best kept secrets. when bankruptcy becomes legal you have more of a leeway. if it is known however; creditors can demand their money before hand which usually sucks for the debtor. I actually applaud arakawa for making the story around this kind of brutal subject on a shounen.

In any case i kinda want to see what will happen now that hachiken is thinking about this.
 

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New chap!
HACHIKEN!:crying

That was beautiful. Last chapter I thought along the lines of "Jeez, Hachiken, let them be. You can't solve this." But he's right. They shouldn't just accept this either, especially when they're boiling inside.
And way to go! Hope by grabbing her hand he also grabbed her heart. You're the man, Hachiken!
 

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i am feeling all fuzzy inside. the scene with komaba's mother, the classroom and everything was so great that it made go to hokaido and help komabas family. also the thing about mikage's family cosigning the loan and her tears finally got explained but like googlez said you r the man hachiken. dont leave the reins.
 

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They shouldn't accept the realities of capitalism, changes to the economy of food production, and what happens when you fail to pay off a loan? Interesting.
 

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I don't get the joke. Why crab? :sweat
 

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They shouldn't accept the realities of capitalism, changes to the economy of food production, and what happens when you fail to pay off a loan? Interesting.
Not trying to say they should change the system, find a way to get around it or anything. But seeing a young man like Komaba being all like "Well, that's the way it is...can't change it right? Sucks, I guess..." is quite painful. In Hachiken's eyes, (seemingly) accepting the end of your dreams like this because of something that just happens doesn't feel right. It's like they can't show sorrow and pain because it's only natural, the way things go in the industry. I think Mikage is the best example of this. She tries to act calm and pretend nothing happened while she'd rather burst out crying.
At least that's the way I see it.
I don't get the joke. Why crab? :sweat
I don't get it either...
 

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That's what is called a running gag. It's not the subject by itself which is funny but its repetition.
 
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