Discussion Ace replaced Who?

[Faust]

http://www.mangapanda.com/103-17410-11/one-piece/chapter-552.html

 

[BurnSchulz]

I think its rather unecessary to know. Because if it was, it would've been told at the time.

Most of your options are very unlikely but Crocodile, because we know thet Crocodile and WB had something in common. Out of your Choices (except Other) i would think Crocodile fits the most.

 

[Faust]

For a long time...

Most likely, Jimbei, Zeff, Shanks or Kaidou.

 

[BurnSchulz]

Zeff, Jimbey, and Shanks would absolutely not fit because of the Timeline. I think Kaidou is also impossible because he is one of the Emperors and i dont think he grew out of another Emporers crew.

 

[0Xellos]

I vote for a not introduced character. I can't think of anyone that'd fit.

 

[hoeru]

I'd say it was Chameleone. Shanks was never a Whitebeard Pirate nor was Hancock nor Jinbe nor Zeff...

 

[Dice]

I think its rather unecessary to know. Because if it was, it would've been told at the time.

I think that is a pretty weak argument. Take for example the following page: http://www.mangareader.net/103-2068-8/one-piece/chapter-19.html Would you answer that it's unecessary to know who the guy is that hits Buggy and Shanks if someone were to ask? Well you might have in the past but knowing just who this person is I guess you wouldn't.
My point is that you can never be sure if a little detail that is not explained at the time it has made it's first appearance, might be important someday.

 

[BurnSchulz]

I think that is a pretty weak argument. Take for example the following page: http://www.mangareader.net/103-2068-8/one-piece/chapter-19.html Would you answer that it's unecessary to know who the guy is that hits Buggy and Shanks if someone were to ask? Well you might have in the past but knowing just who this person is I guess you wouldn't.
My point is that you can never be sure if a little detail that is not explained at the time it has made it's first appearance, might be important someday.

Ace and WB are dead. When would be the best time to tell about their past rather than when they were still alive. I dont know but i for myself cant imagine that oda would take that step back to talk about WBs and Aces bond again.
I think if it would habe been necessary who exactly ace was replacing, than it wouldve been told in just that moment when he was asked to.

The best way to find out is to ask oda via SPS.

 

[Razh]

I learned not to disregard any bit of information Oda drops in One Piece. If the person who used to be 2nd commander was unimportant, Oda would said something like "ever since Charlie the 2nd commander died/retired, the spot has been empty". But this way, there's a lose end, and in One Piece, it means it's going to be tied, sooner or later.

This is the first time I thought Crocodile used to be one if Whitebeard Pirates. He's even standing on the side all in black, sort of like a black sheep compared to others.

But as fine and as interesting that sounds, there's a problem with how Crocodile didn't seem to recognize Blackbeard in ID. And that's strange because Blackbeard has been part of Whitebeard Pirates for 20 years.

I guess there are slight possibilities that Crocodile left the crew more than 20 years ago or that he just never met Blackbeard but let's face it, those are astronomically small.

It could be Jewelry Bonney, but I kinda doubt it. Ability to make herself younger and the fact that she cried when WB died aren't enough.

Kaidou is a good possibility. We don't know when the WG branded 4 strongest pirates as emperors, but we do know that it's been less than 12 years ago. Why? Because that's when Shanks was at Luffy's island and I can't imagine him being able to go all the way to East Blue without offsetting the entire world balance and causing the Marines to chase him. Missing emperor would be noticed.
Since WB Pirates was probably the strongest pirate crew at it's prime, it's possible that Kaidou was a part of it for some time, but then went off to pursue his own ambition. I don't think WB would have stopped him or anyone who wanted to join him, as long as they didn't kill anyone. Still, I'm not that convinced of this, because it's just a shot-in-the-dark theory, with no real facts to support it. If it turns out to be true, I'll be really surprised.

Anyway, I voted "other" because I think it's very likely it's nobody from the list. It could be one of those shadow brokers, or even that guy Jack...

 

[BurnSchulz]

But as fine and as interesting that sounds, there's a problem with how Crocodile didn't seem to recognize Blackbeard in ID. And that's strange because Blackbeard has been part of Whitebeard Pirates for 20 years.

Thats a good point.
But even though Crocodile had a deep grudge against WB, i wonder where that came from. It has surely something to do with his lost Hand and scar in his face.
Maybe some confrontation from the past rather than he was kicked out of WBs crew then?
Crocodile is in his mid 40s, it IS possible that he was in WBs crew before BB joined, but thats only a weak theory.

 

[Kaiten]

I voted for other: we will never know, because it's completely irrelevant. Except for Kid and Zeff, every one of those characters fought in the War. If any of them had at any time been a commander in Whitebeard's crew, we would already have know, it would have been important enough to mention in the war. I'm not sure to what purpose Oda would retcon Kid or Zeff as part of Whitebeard's crew, so I am discounting both options.

 

[M3J]

Jinbei and Hancock can't have been the leader of Whitebeard's second division. Jinbei was more of a loyal friend to Whitebeard than part of his crew everyday. I don't see how Hancock would have been with Whitebeard as well, especially considering how she was willing to fight them, and how no one reacted in WHitebeard showed any reaction to her being on the Marine's side. In fact, no one on the poll options make any sense.

But I"m sure we'll find out who it was later.

 

[Samui]

I learned not to disregard any bit of information Oda drops in One Piece. If the person who used to be 2nd commander was unimportant, Oda would said something like "ever since Charlie the 2nd commander died/retired, the spot has been empty". But this way, there's a lose end, and in One Piece, it means it's going to be tied, sooner or later.

This is the first time I thought Crocodile used to be one if Whitebeard Pirates. He's even standing on the side all in black, sort of like a black sheep compared to others.

But as fine and as interesting that sounds, there's a problem with how Crocodile didn't seem to recognize Blackbeard in ID. And that's strange because Blackbeard has been part of Whitebeard Pirates for 20 years.

I guess there are slight possibilities that Crocodile left the crew more than 20 years ago or that he just never met Blackbeard but let's face it, those are astronomically small.

It could be Jewelry Bonney, but I kinda doubt it. Ability to make herself younger and the fact that she cried when WB died aren't enough.

Kaidou is a good possibility. We don't know when the WG branded 4 strongest pirates as emperors, but we do know that it's been less than 12 years ago. Why? Because that's when Shanks was at Luffy's island and I can't imagine him being able to go all the way to East Blue without offsetting the entire world balance and causing the Marines to chase him. Missing emperor would be noticed.
Since WB Pirates was probably the strongest pirate crew at it's prime, it's possible that Kaidou was a part of it for some time, but then went off to pursue his own ambition. I don't think WB would have stopped him or anyone who wanted to join him, as long as they didn't kill anyone. Still, I'm not that convinced of this, because it's just a shot-in-the-dark theory, with no real facts to support it. If it turns out to be true, I'll be really surprised.

Anyway, I voted "other" because I think it's very likely it's nobody from the list. It could be one of those shadow brokers, or even that guy Jack...

Actually Blackbeard have had been a member of the Whitebeard Pirates for over half of his life, since he had joined the crew over 25 years ago (during Roger's last meeting with Whitebeard, the latter made a reference to Blackbeard). I doubt Crocodile was ever part of the crew, much less a Commander.

Jinbei and Hancock can't have been the leader of Whitebeard's second division. Jinbei was more of a loyal friend to Whitebeard than part of his crew everyday. I don't see how Hancock would have been with Whitebeard as well, especially considering how she was willing to fight them, and how no one reacted in WHitebeard showed any reaction to her being on the Marine's side. In fact, no one on the poll options make any sense.

That aside, Hancock recieved the title of Shichibukai 13 years ago on her very first voyage as the captaon of the Kuja Pirates.

 

[Tonix]

I kind of like the idea of it being Zeff, because it would explain how Sanji got so strong for the first part of the story. I like the idea of him being trained by a Yonkou's crew mate much better than him being just some unremarkable former pirate.

The only serious flaw I can see with this theory is that Krieg attacked Zeff for his knowledge of the Grand Line, but if Zeff really was a Whitebeard pirate, then surely Krieg wouldn't have attacked him for fear of retribution. Everyone knows you don't mess with Whitebeard's crew.

 

[Samui]

I kind of like the idea of it being Zeff, because it would explain how Sanji got so strong for the first part of the story. I like the idea of him being trained by a Yonkou's crew mate much better than him being just some unremarkable former pirate.

The only serious flaw I can see with this theory is that Krieg attacked Zeff for his knowledge of the Grand Line, but if Zeff really was a Whitebeard pirate, then surely Krieg wouldn't have attacked him for fear of retribution. Everyone knows you don't mess with Whitebeard's crew.

Zeff cannot be a Whitebeard Pirate. Not only he had his own crew (until 11 years ago), but also he had sailed in the Grand Line for only a year.

Still, Zeff is pretty strong.

 

[Razh]

It could also be this guy - http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Chameleone

It's not sure yet if he's part of canon, but it's said that in the past he infiltrated WB pirates in order to leak information and bring him down, but Marco discovered him and stopped him. It doesn't say what his position was, but someone with that kind of ability could have ranked pretty high. I don't know why Oda would give him a relevant history like that only for live show. I guess it could be same as Shiki. His history was covered in chapter 0, so it's considered canon. Only the events of Strong World are questionable, since there's no reference in manga.

Anyway, I'd like it more if it was someone else. Someone who would appear in manga later (which is not sure for this dude).

P.S. He's quite fabulous, isn't he?

 

[M3J]

According to the Wiki, I don't think he could have been in WB's crew, much less a captain since his personality is far too selfish to work efficiently with WB. So far, no one on WB has shown to be greedy, with the exception of Blackbeard, so they worked well together. Chameleone's greed and DF ability could bring down WB crew, and it's not said he turned good, it just implies he continued to be against Whitebeard.

 

[Razh]

According to the Wiki, I don't think he could have been in WB's crew, much less a captain since his personality is far too selfish to work efficiently with WB. So far, no one on WB has shown to be greedy, with the exception of Blackbeard, so they worked well together. Chameleone's greed and DF ability could bring down WB crew, and it's not said he turned good, it just implies he continued to be against Whitebeard.

Not sure what you mean. According to Wiki:
"In the past, he infiltrated the Whitebeard Pirates in order to destroy it by leaking inside information, but Marco discovered what he was plotting and put a stop to his actions."

That means he joined the crew and planned to bring it down from inside. I doubt he hid himself on Moby Dick and stalked crew in hopes of getting some good info. That would just be silly...

And crew as large as WB's is bound to have all kinds of people and WB can't read minds, which BB proved.

Also, I never said anything about him being good later, or whatever. Look, it's just a decent possibility and there's nothing on wikia that disqualifies the dude as a possible former 2nd commander.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

I'm teetering between Crocodile and Chameleon

I'd like to see the latter appear in the manga at some point, though I wish his bounty was a bit higher if he was indeed the 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard Pirates at one time

 

[M3J]

Not sure what you mean. According to Wiki:
"In the past, he infiltrated the Whitebeard Pirates in order to destroy it by leaking inside information, but Marco discovered what he was plotting and put a stop to his actions."

That means he joined the crew and planned to bring it down from inside. I doubt he hid himself on Moby Dick and stalked crew in hopes of getting some good info. That would just be silly...

And crew as large as WB's is bound to have all kinds of people and WB can't read minds, which BB proved.

Also, I never said anything about him being good later, or whatever. Look, it's just a decent possibility and there's nothing on wikia that disqualifies the dude as a possible former 2nd commander.

He could have impersonated as someone else though. The way he infiltrated WB isn't clear, he could have done it in many ways.