Games MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE ENDGAME!!

[Hakuteiken]

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Niichan, I'm impressed. But same could have been said about you, until just now.

In fact, I suspected his semi-active status and wrote it here pages ago.
I still suspect him since this could be a well versed plot having read through that. But his argument is much more solid.

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Either way, I won't be voting for him anymore. After such a strong analysis, there just isn't enough clue to make people get onto a bandwagon to kill him.
So, niichan is either a skilled townie or a skilled mafia. It won't be easy dealing with him for whichever side he opposes.

 

[Nii]

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Bitter about me killing you last game, NN?

What do you want me to say? That there's absolutely nothing that convinces me one way or the other? That I'm always suspicious of Imp or Gary?

I'm pretty sure that I suspected Faust and I do suspect Imp, but suspecting Imp's more out of habit than anything, not because I truly believe he's a mafia member.

I also said in that post, although not the part that you quoted, that I wasn't sure how much I'd be around today and whether or not DD would end the game early, so I got a vote in. I was also one of the first seven to vote, way before we could suspect too many other people.

The post in its entirety, so not just how you quoted it to support your case.

What an interesting way to make it look like I'm suspecting you only because of some silly revenge. Sorry to disappoint you, but I totally forgot about that until you just mentioned it.

What I want you to say is quite easy: Discuss matters and suspects with the others, you were online for most of the day and still you didn't participate in a single discussion. All you ever commented about was some meaningless stuff like the lovers role or the state of the game.
That stuff about always being suspicious of guys like Imp or Gary is just a lame mafia excuse. I know it, because I've been mafia often enough and I know it's pretty tiring to come up with a plausible theory for who is mafia when you know that actually you're the mafia guy.

And I believe this is not your first time playing this game? Have you ever seen DD end a day early if not everyone made their vote? As far as I recall he always waited until everyone made a decision or until the time ran out. Saying you feared the game would end early is just another silly excuse to make a random vote.

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Okay, I know I won't change my opinion. Frosty's answer made him even more suspicious so votekill Frostymouse

 

[FrostyMouse]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

What an interesting way to make it look like I'm suspecting you only because of some silly revenge. Sorry to disappoint you, but I totally forgot about that until you just mentioned it.

What I want you to say is quite easy: Discuss matters and suspects with the others, you were online for most of the day and still you didn't participate in a single discussion. All you ever commented about was some meaningless stuff like the lovers role or the state of the game.
That stuff about always being suspicious of guys like Imp or Gary is just a lame mafia excuse. I know it, because I've been mafia often enough and I know it's pretty tiring to come up with a plausible theory for who is mafia when you know that actually you're the mafia guy.

And I believe this is not your first time playing this game? Have you ever seen DD end a day early if not everyone made their vote? As far as I recall he always waited until everyone made a decision or until the time ran out. Saying you feared the game would end early is just another silly excuse to make a random vote.

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Okay, I know I won't change my opinion. Frosty's answer made him even more suspicious so votekill Frostymouse

Sure, NN, sure. You're actually the only one who came after me.

You've debated that much? Don't try to switch your inactivity onto me. How is being gone the entire day, getting online about two and a half hours ago, reading the thread, and making a post or two count as me being online the entire day?

You can believe that it's just a falsehood, but in truth of fact, Gary starts out as my No. 1 suspect each and every Mafia Game.

I've never played with DD as a host, only with Evil. Evil has cut phases short on us before.

NN, you misrepresented my post in an attempt to make me look guilty? How does that not make you look suspicious? If I suspected you, wouldn't I have perhaps voted for you?

 

[Hakuteiken]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

So, it looks like this is the end of the argument. Regardless of the roles, by an objective evaluation, niichan won it.
This makes the things a bit easier. At best case, a mafia is lynched. At worst, a townie with lesser observation skills demonstrated is lost and a strong mafia lives on. We won't be getting niichan even if he's a mafia in this turn, anyway. Faust and Xadyu are discussed mostly, but Faust's earlier excitement was justified by the theme of the game to a degree, while Xadyu's case is less proven than Frosty to go after him. In the end, I don't think Faust is a Mafia and we will probably be getting the head of a townie if we let niichan's proposed clue go. So, in the end, I'd say, following niichan's lead for now gives us the best result according to the game theory, since we have little chance to take down a mafia with other suspicions being mostly vague or just biased.

That's not a confirmation of niichan's side, though. But he played an impressive gambit and things aren't looking any better if we refuse.

Vote Kill FrostyMouse

 

[Nii]

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Sure, NN, sure. You're actually the only one who came after me.

You've debated that much? Don't try to switch your inactivity onto me. How is being gone the entire day, getting online about two and a half hours ago, reading the thread, and making a post or two count as me being online the entire day?

You can believe that it's just a falsehood, but in truth of fact, Gary starts out as my No. 1 suspect each and every Mafia Game.

I've never played with DD as a host, only with Evil. Evil has cut phases short on us before.

NN, you misrepresented my post in an attempt to make me look guilty? How does that not make you look suspicious? If I suspected you, wouldn't I have perhaps voted for you?

That's why I said you wanted to make it sound like I suspect you because of a silly grudge. People seem to approve of the reasoning I gave so all the more reason to make it look that way.

It doesn't matter that much if you've been online the whole day, 2 and a half hours should have given you enough time to discuss some stuff besides the lame "the avavats here and the roles there". You either were too lazy to participate in a discussion or you weren't trying anyway/you couldn't come up with someting good because you're mafia. I strongly believe it's the second case because someone who's too lazy to participate usually doesn't post anyway but in your case it was:

Discussion -> Frosty stays silent
Some comment about roles etc. -> all of a sudden Frosty makes a comment

and that's a noticeable pattern if you look at the posts you made so far.
And Evil ending a Day one 10 hours earlier? Lol, has something like that ever happened? This is so unlikely and even if, I doubt he or in this case DD would have banned you. I may repeat myself but this sounds like a stupid reason to make a random vote and then disappear for some time. Heck, no one knows if this might even be a part of your strategy as no one can prove you haven't been online. The fact that you didn't participate in any discussion or at least tried to come up with your own theory supports my believe.

I don't really get the last part, saying I misinterpreted your post is a baseless statement and doesn't confirm anything. Obviously you vote for someone you suspect and you're my main suspect so I voted for you.

 

[FrostyMouse]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

Like everyone else posted such useful things. Super deduction skills there, NN.

Let's talk about issues then. Haku acted fairly suspicious for a whole bit of it, although that could be down to just naivety in his first game. M3J asked questions about the Lover, but you're not going to ask questions about your own role, unless you're really foolish, so I doubted that M3J's head would net us a Mafia member. Lala acted like a crackhead and the whole one hour a day thing is suspicious, but it's not enough to go on to vote with.

All you've done is charge after me. I don't see that as doing anything more than I did. In fact, it's less. I discussed several possibilities throughout the thread.

 

[Evil3ye]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

I am curious to see if niichan actually hit the nail and caught a mafia with that. He would redeem himself quite a lot in my eyes. For all those times he fooled me and made me believe he is innocent!

 

[FrostyMouse]

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I am curious to see if niichan actually hit the nail and caught a mafia with that. He would redeem himself quite a lot in my eyes. For all those times he fooled me and made me believe he is innocent!

I can tell you that I haven't had as enjoyable a role as I did the first game I played with you, and every game I've played since then, my role's gotten less and less interesting as there's less and less to do each time.

 

[Evil3ye]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

In other words you are implying being a Townie with a role, which's impact is not big for the town's side?

 

[Xadyu]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

Like a hider or something?

 

[FrostyMouse]

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In other words you are implying being a Townie with a role, which's impact is not big for the town's side?

Indeed.

Look at my role last time. While powerful, I just sat there most of the time, used my ability, and then had nothing more to do, which was pretty damn boring. My role the game before that was fun, but you gimped me, although it was quite fun. :P

 

[Nii]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

Like everyone else posted such useful things. Super deduction skills there, NN.

Let's talk about issues then. Haku acted fairly suspicious for a whole bit of it, although that could be down to just naivety in his first game. M3J asked questions about the Lover, but you're not going to ask questions about your own role, unless you're really foolish, so I doubted that M3J's head would net us a Mafia member. Lala acted like a crackhead and the whole one hour a day thing is suspicious, but it's not enough to go on to vote with.

All you've done is charge after me. I don't see that as doing anything more than I did. In fact, it's less. I discussed several possibilities throughout the thread.

That's not the point dude
So far I've witnessed 3 patterns. Some fluctuations are included but mainly every poster so far can be divided into one of these categories:

1. People who mainly discuss, if it's quality discussion or not doesn't matter but they talk about the people and who might be suspicious

2. People who mainly say random/funny stuff, which is clearly not adding anything.

3. You. You're not participating in any discussion nor did you make a funny post. There lies the difference and the reason I suspect you. You made some sweet-talk about roles or the state of the game, etc. These posts often were several lines long. That made it look like you actually added something to the game even though you definitely didn't. That's the usual pattern of a mafia member.

The difference between us is that I seriously thought about who is suspicious and why, instead of you who mentioned one name, 4 possible suspects and besides that discussed meaningless stuff. Trying to discuss the members now is pointless.

I am curious to see if niichan actually hit the nail and caught a mafia with that. He would redeem himself quite a lot in my eyes. For all those times he fooled me and made me believe he is innocent!

Haha Well I'm curious too but I think my theory fits pretty well and I have this gut-feeling which makes me really sure he's a mafia. Did you already change your vote to someone else or is there something else that makes you hesitate to vote for Frosty?

 

[Evil3ye]

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I changed once already, Xadyu was my final choice. However, I would be satisfied if you bring down Frosty too. Or vice versa. Any of you in fact. I did mention earlier, you two are on the same level of suspiciousness.

 

[FrostyMouse]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

That's not the point dude
So far I've witnessed 3 patterns. Some fluctuations are included but mainly every poster so far can be divided into one of these categories:

1. People who mainly discuss, if it's quality discussion or not doesn't matter but they talk about the people and who might be suspicious

2. People who mainly say random/funny stuff, which is clearly not adding anything.

3. You. You're not participating in any discussion nor did you make a funny post. There lies the difference and the reason I suspect you. You made some sweet-talk about roles or the state of the game, etc. These posts often were several lines long. That made it look like you actually added something to the game even though you definitely didn't. That's the usual pattern of a mafia member.

The difference between us is that I seriously thought about who is suspicious and why, instead of you who mentioned one name, 4 possible suspects and besides that discussed meaningless stuff. Trying to discuss the members now is pointless.

Ah, so Lala posting "drunk" is acceptable? Such hypocrisy. Would you rather I followed every post with an and went, "OMGZ, look, look, mafia member!?" Sakura freaking out in games is cool and all and you never suspect her. If I freaked out, you'd then claim I was acting out of character and that I was a mafia member, right? By your logic, I have to 100% be mafia because you pick out posts on a Day 1, but if I then attempted to post more seriously or something, I'd be changing my style, so I'd be guilty as well? Have I missed anything?

How did I not participate? If you look at all of my posts, I did make suspicions and everything, so I fail to see what you're saying here. I would argue that I made discussion about the game. You apparently don't want to believe that.

I'm curious about something. You've only named me. You have to have some other suspects, right? Or did you just focus on me?

Oh, and in terms of the inactivity thing, until you jumped on me, you'd barely posted, so you can't use that against me either.

Haha Well I'm curious too but I think my theory fits pretty well and I have this gut-feeling which makes me really sure he's a mafia. Did you already change your vote to someone else or is there something else that makes you hesitate to vote for Frosty?

NN, so far, I've yet to see you actually name why you voted for me other than some vague reasons about not posting enough. That's more worthy than my vote for Faust?

 

[Nii]

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I changed once already, Xadyu was my final choice. However, I would be satisfied if you bring down Frosty too. Or vice versa. Any of you in fact. I did mention earlier, you two are on the same level of suspiciousness.

I don't think so, at least I tried to come up with a reasonable theory but I guess you're especially wary of me because of the last games.

Ah, so Lala posting "drunk" is acceptable? Such hypocrisy. Would you rather I followed every post with an and went, "OMGZ, look, look, mafia member!?" Sakura freaking out in games is cool and all and you never suspect her. If I freaked out, you'd then claim I was acting out of character and that I was a mafia member, right? By your logic, I have to 100% be mafia because you pick out posts on a Day 1, but if I then attempted to post more seriously or something, I'd be changing my style, so I'd be guilty as well? Have I missed anything?

How did I not participate? If you look at all of my posts, I did make suspicions and everything, so I fail to see what you're saying here. I would argue that I made discussion about the game.

I'm curious about something. You've only named me. You have to have some other suspects, right? Or did you just focus on me?

Oh, and in terms of the inactivity thing, until you jumped on me, you'd barely posted, so you can't use that against me either.

... pointless to discuss this any further. Obviously I would prefer all people discussing who is suspicious and who is not but that's just impossible. At least the people who don't haven't tried to make their post look meaningful. Saying that you actively participated in discussion is a lie from my point of view but everyone can just look at your posts and judge for him/herself.

If you ask me about other suspicious people, I can only name Xadyu. He made some funny comments at first, obviously not really taking the game seriously but later stated he would take it serious. I don't know his playing style yet nor does this make him as suspicious as you though. Faust isn't really suspicious to me, nor is Milly. You could argue Faust is acting rather excited but he did that in past games too and turned out to be a bomb. Milly is just Milly, like Nuno said he acts like that outside the Mafia Game too so for me his behaviour isn't suspicious at this point.

NN, so far, I've yet to see you actually name why you voted for me other than some vague reasons about not posting enough. That's more worthy than my vote for Faust?

LOL did you actually read my last post? XD The question isn't if you posted enough or not but what kind of posts you made. Your kind of posts are a usual mafia pattern so there you have it. Don't ask me why it's a mafia mattern, I explained it in my previous post.

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I'm off to bed now. I'm pretty sure Frosty is mafia so I would advice others to vote for him but you're free to form your own opinion. See you later guys, with one less mafia hopefully.

 

[FrostyMouse]

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I don't think so, at least I tried to come up with a reasonable theory but I guess you're especially wary of me because of the last games.

Do you see what's wrong with this post, at least concerning the present situation, NN?

... pointless to discuss this any further. Obviously I would prefer all people discussing who is suspicious and who is not but that's just impossible. At least the people who don't haven't tried to make their post look meaningful. Saying that you actively participated in discussion is a lie from my point of view but everyone can just look at your posts and judge for him/herself.

Pointless? You said I 100% had to be a mafia member, but now you're calling it pointless? Isn't that backing away from your previous convictions? You can't just walk away and say that you won, because that's not how an argument works.

Everyone can also look at your posts and judge for themselves, NN.

If you ask me about other suspicious people, I can only name Xadyu. He made some funny comments at first, obviously not really taking the game seriously but later stated he would take it serious. I don't know his playing style yet nor does this make him as suspicious as you though. Faust isn't really suspicious to me, nor is Milly. You could argue Faust is acting rather excited but he did that in past games too and turned out to be a bomb. Milly is just Milly, like Nuno said he acts like that outside the Mafia Game too so for me his behaviour isn't suspicious at this point.

I'm not sold on Xadyu one way or the other. However, by your system, shouldn't make funny comments and then changing his style be a red flag?

You're giving Milly a pass here on making pointless posts, such as talking about how no one made him an avi? Wow...Now, I didn't say that Milly was guilty either, but you didn't even judge his posts on his posts, only on his activity outside of the Mafia Game.

That's the argument I made about Faust and you said it was bs.

LOL did you actually read my last post? XD The question isn't if you posted enough or not but what kind of posts you made. Your kind of posts are a usual mafia pattern so there you have it. Don't ask me why it's a mafia mattern, I explained it in my previous post.

Oh, I did. I was questioning how you came to those conclusions, especially as they're not really indicative of anything. What about the players who are overly aggressive when they're mafia, such as Gary? There's no one style that defines a role.

 

[Imperium]

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I find NN more convincing Frosty. I also got the feeling your posts were mainly filler, especially when you compare it to the quality of your posts in previous games. I said there was something weird about you I couldnt put my finger on, it was that. Your posts were exactly as NN described it, they looked like they add to the discussion but they actually dont.

 

[xi0]

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Sure, NN, sure. You're actually the only one who came after me.

You've debated that much? Don't try to switch your inactivity onto me. How is being gone the entire day, getting online about two and a half hours ago, reading the thread, and making a post or two count as me being online the entire day?

You can believe that it's just a falsehood, but in truth of fact, Gary starts out as my No. 1 suspect each and every Mafia Game.

I've never played with DD as a host, only with Evil. Evil has cut phases short on us before.

NN, you misrepresented my post in an attempt to make me look guilty? How does that not make you look suspicious? If I suspected you, wouldn't I have perhaps voted for you?

Why?

 

[M3J]

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I was half-kidding and betting on noob reactions to the pages of posts in the past. And yeah I forgot about Nardo, because I like to pretend the section doesn't exist!

I just sharted reading that post.

So I sharted twice - first time when I read it and second time when replying to it.


Sharting is not fun.

And how can you be so sure that someone took out the vote he/she had on you and yet not to be sure who it was? o.ô

BECAUSE I SAW SOMEONE SAY "I change my vote to" SOMETHING ELSE! AND I REMEMBER THAT WITCH VOTING FOR ME.

WHICH WAS YOU.

Check back. But I'm being unfairly accused of being a goddamn mafia or lover because FFers here suck at reading. I asked how lovers came to be, not what they do. Why the hell wouldn't I PM the host that question?

why u keep violating my name?suspicious

Shut up fuglett-kun.

Like everyone else posted such useful things. Super deduction skills there, NN.

Let's talk about issues then. Haku acted fairly suspicious for a whole bit of it, although that could be down to just naivety in his first game. M3J asked questions about the Lover, but you're not going to ask questions about your own role, unless you're really foolish, so I doubted that M3J's head would net us a Mafia member. Lala acted like a crackhead and the whole one hour a day thing is suspicious, but it's not enough to go on to vote with.

All you've done is charge after me. I don't see that as doing anything more than I did. In fact, it's less. I discussed several possibilities throughout the thread.

I just wanted to know how some of the roels came to be, not what they are. Jesus. -_-

Also, I do find it suspicious that you defended me. I think you're the only one who did.

Sakura freaking out in games is cool and all and you never suspect her. If I freaked out, you'd then claim I was acting out of character and that I was a mafia member, right?

sakura would freak out at the sight of cheese, though. IF she didn't freak out at least once, then we'd think something was up.

Just sayin'.

 

[digitaldude]

Re: MAFIA GAME 22 DEATH NOTE!

3 more hours kazu, macaco, moa and xi0 have not voted.