Discussion Yonkou Hunting

[mattiaildivino]

Re: One Piece 700 Discussion/ 701 Prediction

@Kaiten, since you said that a business alliance won't take down an emperor,and that only friendship will do that,you are hinting that Kidd,Hawkins and apoo will fail,aren't you? This is contradictory to what you said some days ago about Kidd 's victory succeeding in defeating bm is a priority to let jinbe join the SHs. Imo,it'd be better if they failed,as out of 2 pirate alliances,one has to fail,whereas the other one must succeed.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: One Piece 700 Discussion/ 701 Prediction

@Kaiten, since you said that a business alliance won't take down an emperor,and that only friendship will do that,you are hinting that Kidd,Hawkins and apoo will fail,aren't you? This is contradictory to what you said some days ago about Kidd 's victory succeeding in defeating bm is a priority to let jinbe join the SHs. Imo,it'd be better if they failed,as out of 2 pirate alliances,one has to fail,whereas the other one must succeed.

What makes you think that Kid, Hawkins, and Apoo won't come to respect each other, eventually becoming friends, in their own belligerent way? Just because their alliance is stormy now does not mean relationships can not grow and evolve. They are more rambunctious people than Law and Luffy, respect and friendship might not be as obvious, but it is possible. Many, many things can happen between now, and then. We don't even yet know when then is. The possibility exists for their alliance evolving into something more stable, and strong, over time.

My belief is that Law's speech foreshadowed what was to come in the New World. The new generation will sweep away the old, and the world they built. Someone will defeat Mam, and soon. I don't think it will be Luffy. No matter what he said, I think defeating three Yonkou (I include Teach) is overkill. If it is Kid, that creates a good rivalry for Luffy. Kid could also be targeting Kaido, not Big Mam. I won't deny that possibility. I think it adds more to the story though if Kid is targeting Mam. Maybe his plan is more straightforward, and less successful, than Law's, triggering an all out war, dragging Luffy into the confrontation.

 

[mattiaildivino]

Re: One Piece 700 Discussion/ 701 Prediction

What makes you think that Kid, Hawkins, and Apoo won't come to respect each other, eventually becoming friends, in their own belligerent way? Just because their alliance is stormy now does not mean relationships can not grow and evolve. They are more rambunctious people than Law and Luffy, respect and friendship might not be as obvious, but it is possible. Many, many things can happen between now, and then. We don't even yet know when then is. The possibility exists for their alliance evolving into something more stable, and strong, over time.

My belief is that Law's speech foreshadowed what was to come in the New World. The new generation will sweep away the old, and the world they built. Someone will defeat Mam, and soon. I don't think it will be Luffy. No matter what he said, I think defeating three Yonkou (I include Teach) is overkill. If it is Kid, that creates a good rivalry for Luffy. Kid could also be targeting Kaido, not Big Mam. I won't deny that possibility. I think it adds more to the story though if Kid is targeting Mam. Maybe his plan is more straightforward, and less successful, than Law's, triggering an all out war, dragging Luffy into the confrontation.

uhm,I don't think they will end up becoming friends,they wouldn't even have made the alliance if it hadn't been for killer who stopped them. about the overkill thing,it's also true that the 4 emperors don't have to fall either: what if luffy became as strong as one of them,forcing the world to acknowledge a fifth one,who becomes the pirate king? . well,I know that at least one of them will be defeated,and it will likely be kaido. big mam won't fight luffy,imo,because of Laura. but I like your idea of kidd becoming luffy's rival,that is an emperor. (but this would make luffy fight another emperor,isn't it overkill as well?)

 

[Kaiten]

Who's Laura

If Kid replaces Mam, then Law's speech becomes important foreshadowing, not just bragging. Three of the Yonkou will be from the Worst Generation. Only Shanks will be left from the old generation. My guess he is that he never will have to be defeated. He told Luffy that they would meet again once he was a "great pirate". I don't think that will be until near the end of the manga, during the final saga, before sailing for Raftel. At that point Shanks steps aside, forsaking his status, and agreeing to help Luffy defeat the Blackbeard Pirates. There might be a short fight, to allow Shanks to test Luffy's strength. Shanks too has a grudge against Teach. If near the end of the series he judges Luffy a worthy successor to Roger, I can imagine him willingly bowing to Luffy. That, to me, really would bring the manga full circle.

My thinking is that Luffy and Kid become the next Roger and Whitebeard. They will become rivals, and sometimes fight, but Kid will never become a full blown enemy. There may be an arc where Kid is the enemy, but another where they fight side by side, like they did at Sabaody. Luffy never will defeat Kid, at least in the sense that he defeated Crocodile or Enel. By manga's end, Kid will be reckoned second only to Luffy, the next Pirate King.

Becoming Pirate King does not really factor into this discussion. That is the end of the journey. To get there, the Strawhats must successfully navigate the New World. The Yonkou are an essential part of the New World. Dealing with them will be a necessary part of becoming Pirate King. At this point in the story, if one is defeated, a new one probably will be proclaimed. It also would make sense if the old Yonkou are swept away. Whitebeard already fell, replaced by Teach. Kaido is the target of Law and Luffy. Kid too is targeting a Yonkou. That was not just empty talk. It will eventually be an important factor in the story. Sooner, rather than later, in my opinion. I think Mam and Kaido will be defeated early, allowing the New World to be about the rise of Luffy's generation.

 

[danzouismadara]

I think a lot of people are taking the yonkou lightly lol I think luffy's alliance and kids alliance will both be defeated easily, in order to force them to join each other to knock out the yonkou individually.

 

[karamm]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

What connection is there between Punk Hazard and a Yonkou? Before the accident Punk Hazard was Vegapunk's weapon and drug development facility. Caesar was a former colleague of Vegapunk, and chemical weapons expert at Punk Hazard. Law did not go to Punk Hazard because it is a Yonkou's territory, or has some connection to a Yonkou. The island is abandoned, a wasteland cordoned off by the government. Caesar returned to continue his experiments, complete a human gigantism serum, and prove he is a greater scientist than Vegapunk. Joker is a marine at G-5 covering for Caesar, hiding kidnapped children reports from the public. There is no reason to believe he has a connection to the Yonkou. In the manga he has only been referenced in connection to the Marines. Vegapunk's research notes were left behind at Punk Hazard, the reason behind Law's presence. He is not there to challenge a Yonkou, he is there to find a weapon, the "sleeping power" he can use to challenge a Yonkou. There is NO CONNECTION between Punk Hazard, Caesar, Joker,and a Yonkou. None.

Looking back at this, I really am amazed by how spot on my guess/analysis was.

 

[Faust]

My thinking is that Luffy and Kid become the next Roger and Whitebeard. They will become rivals

IIRC Golden Lion Shiki is Roger's original rival, not Whitebeard.

 

[Crazytype]

IIRC Golden Lion Shiki is Roger's original rival, not Whitebeard.

But that is added canon to sell movie tickets, because the story was made by Oda now. Whitebeard is still the main rival of Gol D. Roger from my perspective.