Discussion Who will get Ace's Mera Mera no Mi (Fire) Devil Fruit?

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Well, maybe he has the body of a D, which Luffy would have too.
Who knows?

Ace was also a D, remember?

 

[Kaiten]

I was under the impression Teach did not have the will of D. I may have misinterpreted Whitebeard's speech, but that is a possible implication of saying Teach is not the one, a page after Roger explained D. I have always thought he meant that Teach may be D in name, but does not have the "Will of D", as Roger explained it.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

I was under the impression Teach did not have the will of D. I may have misinterpreted Whitebeard's speech, but that is a possible implication of saying Teach is not the one, a page after Roger explained D. I have always thought he meant that Teach may be D in name, but does not have the "Will of D", as Roger explained it.

Considering we still do not nearly enough about what WB heard from Roger, it is a bit hard to specify it but i guess WB was always under the impression that Blackbeard could be one of those who could carry Roger´s will and the 800 years history on his back but i guess he understood that BB, despite having the initial D, is not befitting because of his deviousness, his cowardice and so forth. That still does not change the fact that BB is still a D.

 

[EddyBob15]

What's wrong with the idea of Luffy saving the fruit for someone he thinks is good enough to eat it and join the Straw Hats?

 

[Kaiten]

Considering we still do not nearly enough about what WB heard from Roger, it is a bit hard to specify it but i guess WB was always under the impression that Blackbeard could be one of those who could carry Roger´s will and the 800 years history on his back but i guess he understood that BB, despite having the initial D, is not befitting because of his deviousness, his cowardice and so forth. That still does not change the fact that BB is still a D.

That's about what I think too; he is a D, but does not necessarily inherit the Will of D. Kind of a tangent on my part, I'm not sure how much D. factors into this discussion. It may, it may not. We all know so little it is hard to reach any conclusions. As far as I can remember there are not even any hints about D, only that it exists, and holds meaning.

What's wrong with the idea of Luffy saving the fruit for someone he thinks is good enough to eat it and join the Straw Hats?

There is meaning in passing on Ace's fruit. Whether big or small, it was part of Ace's identity. The mera mera no mi is an heirloom of his brother, a remembrance of his legacy as a pirate. Passing on such an heirloom symbolically will represent Luffy passing his brother's memory on to someone else. The mera mera no mi could also be taken as Ace's will, the fire of his resolve. Passing that to someone else would be a very meaningful thing. It seems rather unlikely that Luffy would do something with such great symbolic meaning for an as of yet unknown character.

There is meaning in Ace's ability respawning, just like there was meaning in Teach gaining Whitebeard's ability. What that meaning is will depend, in the end, on what actually happens to the mera mera no mi. Teach seizing the gura gura no mi was more than a power up. The Whitebeard Pirates were a family, Edward Newgate was the father. Teach was the prodigal son; disgraced, exiled, and pursued by his brethren. A son killing his father, and seizing his power, is a common archetype in many creation myths. Teach filled that archetype by killing Whitebeard, stealing his ability, and seizing his territory. Hopefully whatever happens to the mera mera no mi can also has some meaning, rather than just a power up for one of the supporting characters.

 

[Tonix]

He currently is holding hostage Caesar Clown. Caesar has enough expertise about devil fruit to implant them in inanimate objects, and extract them when desired. He also is the only person in the world capable of creating SAD, the key ingredient in making artificial devil fruit. The Strawhats are looking for the factory where those artificial devil fruit are produced. There is someone there to either extract the gomu gomu no mi from Luffy, or "safely" implant a second devil fruit power, and they are headed to a facility potentially containing supplies and equipment Caesar would need to do this. The plot has converged for Luffy to either swap powers, or gain a second, without the normal risk.

Eh, it seems like you are over estimating Caesar, I thought it was clear from Chopper's reaction that Caesar's work on SAD and SMILE was unimpressive since he was only working off of Vegapunk's notes. I really doubt Caesar has the power to extract DF powers from people or give them a second (real) fruit, otherwise, why wouldn't Dofla just take the mera-mera for himself? If someone has that power, its Blackbeard. Jimbei said that Blackbeard's crew was going around stealing fruit powers, if Caesar had any connection to that, then he would have brought up Blackbeard's name when he was trying to intimidate Luffy.

Mera mera no mi is one of the stronger known devil fruit, comparable to Kuzan's hie hie no mi, if used to it's fullest potential. I can't imagine Luffy's third in command gaining a fruit that powerful. Sanji then would be arguably the strongest Strawhat, by a fairly wide margin, with the mera mera no mi, armament haki, observation haki, powering Sanji's "black leg" to almost obscene levels. The same could also be said about Zoro. Add mera mera no mi to his swordsmanship and haki, and he arguably is the strongest Strawhat, if not the strongest over all character.

If Sanji gets the mera mera no mi then his kicks would be reinforced with armament haki, wreathed in pillars of flame. He also would be a logia user, only other haki users would be able to defeat him. Giving Sanji (or Zoro) so much raw power would be an ass pull of epic proportions. The combination of his martial arts ability, haki, and fire logia would give him the potential to be an admiral level character. It is early enough in the story that Sanji would have the time to gain experience, hone his ability, and meet that potential. The only thing capable of stopping him would be plot convenience. I have to doubt Oda would take that route.

You seem to be thinking about the first half of the Grandline. A lot of emphasis has been placed on the vulnerability of Logias in the New World. Pecoms was the first to criticize them, after one hit KO'ing Caribou, and then Vergo went more in depth during his fight with Smoker, where using his powers actually just made him a bigger target.

Although I don't really want to see anyone get the mera-mera (I kind of wish Oda had not reintroduced it to the story), I don't think giving Sanji (or Zoro) the mera-mera would make them unstoppable, or drastically alter the power balance of the monster trio. Intangibility isn't an unreasonable boost for any member of the monster trio since fodder aren't supposed to stand a chance against them anyways, but strong opponents will still be able to injure them now that everyone has Haki. I actually kind of agree with another poster that Sanji could use it to keep up with Zoro and Luffy, who seem to be widening the gap between their strength and Sanji's.

That being said, there are two very good reasons that Sanji won't get the mera-mera:
1) He already stated that the only fruit he wants is Absalom's.
2) Nami doesn't have Haki, if Sanji becomes a logia, Nami won't be able to hit him anymore and the plot won't allow developments that ruin fun things that Oda likes drawing.

 

[EddyBob15]

I'm still one of those that think a new person who joins the Straw Hats will eat it. What can I say? I'd like to see a Logia with them. Anyone agree with me?

 

[THM Nindo]

I'm still one of those that think a new person who joins the Straw Hats will eat it. What can I say? I'd like to see a Logia with them. Anyone agree with me?

It doesn't need to be a new person for the Strawhat to have a logia.
It could be someone that is already in the Strawhats, or one of the new characters, like Momo.

 

[EddyBob15]

It doesn't need to be a new person for the Strawhat to have a logia.
It could be someone that is already in the Strawhats, or one of the new characters, like Momo.

1) Momosuke already has a DF ability, albeit an artificial one.
2) How is he Straw Hat material?

 

[BigBadDogg]

I don't know who should get it but in order of how I feel currently it should
1) go to one of Zoro's swords, fulfilling his wish of a fire sword.
2) Coby eats it
3) Luffy takes it as his new treasure, the hat will lose part of its significance when he beats Shanks
4) Luffy eats it and becomes like BB with 2 or 3 fruits (NB. I think that Luffy and BB might both eat 3 fruits, one from each class zoan, paramecia and logia)

 

[EddyBob15]

Either Luffy gets it and it becomes his new treasure or someone who joins the Straw Hats will get it. That's my theory.

 

[Faust]

Who will get Ace's Mera Mera no Mi (Fire) Devil Fruit?

-Usopp

 

[EddyBob15]

Who will get Ace's Mera Mera no Mi (Fire) Devil Fruit?

-Usopp

Usopp is meant to have the strength of an average human. Clearly whoever gets it will be someone new.

 

[Regino]

Franky uses Vegapunks technology and combines it with the Sunny (would be strange but funny )

 

[suraj5898]

why r we calling its Ace's Mera Mera no Mi (Fire) Devil Fruit ? shouldn't we call it Mera Mera no Mi (Fire) Devil Fruit i mean Ace is dead he have lost his claim on Mera Mera no Mi . its is now Devil Fruit Mera Mera no Mi or person who will it is will have claim on it .

why people want luffy to have/eat it i dont understand i mean its good DF but luffy alredy have good DF and as crocodile said by using ur DF correctly its can become dangerous . as far logia we have see CC & Caribou who r joke .now when we see smoker again he wasn't that good

 

[Kaiten]

Why wouldn't you want Luffy to get the mera mera no mi? The combination of powers would look epic. It's not like it will turn into the sharingan or something, with ten different abilities, and a new one for every situation. It would be a shame to let such a great fruit ability go to waste. Who cares if it's a power up, it will look cool.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Why wouldn't you want Luffy to get the mera mera no mi? The combination of powers would look epic. It's not like it will turn into the sharingan or something, with ten different abilities, and a new one for every situation. It would be a shame to let such a great fruit ability go to waste. Who cares if it's a power up, it will look cool.

the only way luffy could obtain two fruit abilities is with blackbeard teaches help, through the powers of the yomi yomi no mi

and i dont see that happening

 

[THM Nindo]

the only way luffy could obtain two fruit abilities is with blackbeard teaches help, through the powers of the yomi yomi no mi

and i dont see that happening

I'm 99% sure that the Yomi Yomi DF has nothing to do with the fact that BB has 2 DF.
Even Marco said that it was because he has a different "body" than other regular people.

 

[Zehahaha]

I'm 99% sure that the Yomi Yomi DF has nothing to do with the fact that BB has 2 DF.
Even Marco said that it was because he has a different "body" than other regular people.

I think he did use the Yami Yami no Mi to somehow extract the ability tho

 

[REN KOUEN]

I'm 99% sure that the Yomi Yomi DF has nothing to do with the fact that BB has 2 DF.
Even Marco said that it was because he has a different "body" than other regular people.

yes this is yet to be determined, but i also read that the black beard pirates are hunting down people with strong fruit abilities in hopes of stealing those abilities
so can BB's body hold more than two , or is he somehow using the yomi yomi to steal the ability

we shall see, not saying im right, i just have suspicions about this