Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[marshall313]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Being unsurpassed in talent does not mean one person is capable of killing another. Talent does not equal strength. The Raikage could not kill Minato because he could not touch him. Likewise, Minato has shown nothing stronger than Chidori or Amaterasu (the only two things to get through the Raikage's Armor) that could kill the Raikage.

But raikage didn't said that minato is unsurpassed in talent, but rather as a ninja or as a general. Minato is unsurpassed because he's strong, there's no one capable of defeating that guy as far as raikage's opinion is concerned. So if raikage thought that minato is unsurpassed, it literally means that minato has the caliber to defeat him.

As for Sasuke, he showed us while fighting Kabuto he can light an entire area on fire and melt rock if he chooses. So your attempt at being a smartass isn't working lol. He melted an entire cave in a matter of seconds, so I don't think some kunai are going to last all that long.

Oh come on. Sasuke can't melt a rock. He just cancelled kabuto's sage chakra who control the very earth of that cave. It's just the heat of that amaterasu that makes the cave RETURNED to it's shape. There's no such a thing as amaterasu melt a rock, but rather it just returned the original shape of the cave and the sage chakra was being cancelled. No more no less.

And the fact that i had the opinion that those fight was just happened in itachi's izanami.

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That's lovely, Minato was superior. Doesn't change the fact he can't kill A, or a slew of other ninja because he lacks the killing power to do so. Don't change the subject.

How come he's a superior and yet he can't killed raikage? He's a superior so he got the means to defeat raikage.

If he doesn't have the killing power, then what's the point of raikage to made that opinion? Does it obvious that he admitted that minato is unsurpassed because minato was able to defeat him and his raiton shield?

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Depends on the Orochimaru that fights Minato. I think Minato could definitely beat the niormal Orochimaru.

minato slaughters any oro

even white snake oro

oro has no defense for minatos speed

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

And the fact that i had the opinion that those fight was just happened in itachi's izanami.

Thats something I wouldn't be proud off... since if thats what you truly believe then its nothing more then hard evidence that you're incapable of comprehending Kishimoto's explanation about how that jutsu even works and what has actually transpired throughout those panels.

 

[ninjabot]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Orochimaru doesn't need to defend against Minato's speed. He'll just let Minato decapitate him and while Minato breathes in the fumes from his blood he'll be paralyzed. Then Orochimaru will just regenerate and then kill him.

This is why I never allow Orochimaru to use his white snake abilities in the arena thread. He's unstoppable by any ninja that has to breathe.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Orochimaru doesn't need to defend against Minato's speed. He'll just let Minato decapitate him and while Minato breathes in the fumes from his blood he'll be paralyzed. Then Orochimaru will just regenerate and then kill him.

This is why I never allow Orochimaru to use his white snake abilities in the arena thread. He's unstoppable by any ninja that has to breathe.

minato could warp behind him slit his throat, and warp back before taking even one breath

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

And "slitting his throat" will kill Orochimaru... lulz

Guy got ripped in half by Kyuubi Naruto and smirked it off... but yeah, lets just ignore that. And I also love how those Hiraishin Tags always somehow magically appear behind his opponents.

 

[marshall313]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Thats something I wouldn't be proud off... since if thats what you truly believe then its nothing more then hard evidence that you're incapable of comprehending Kishimoto's explanation about how that jutsu even works and what has actually transpired throughout those panels.

Huh?

After all their fight, exchanging jutsu, their hunting boar technique and throwing the susanoo's arrows and they literally destroyed the cave, and yet when kabuto was standing because of the izanami, the cave is still look as brand new. As if nothing happened between their clashed.

So my questions is,

1. What the hell happened to the ceiling of the cave that was being destroyed by their hunting boar technique because of the susanoo's arrows?

2. What the hell happened with kabuto's web? the part of the caves that was destroyed again by the arrows?

If you can tell me the answer, then maybe i'm gonna change my opinion. I'm waiting.

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And "slitting his throat" will kill Orochimaru... lulz

Guy got ripped in half by Kyuubi Naruto and smirked it off... but yeah, lets just ignore that. And I also love how those Hiraishin Tags always somehow magically appear behind his opponents.

Yea, the same as the hiraishin tag that was magically appeared to the 4 sides of the juubi. Have you seen minato set those tag? If you didn't, then those tag would just magically appear on sasuke's side for minato to kick his ass.

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Yeah... just play dumb on me... won't do you much good though except making you look bad.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/580/13 <-- Here Itachi initiates the jutsu. Thats why there's Focus on his Sharingan.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/586/4 <-- Here he finally completes the jutsu, recreating the initiation event and thus completes the loop as evident by his eye going blind.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/2 <-- here you have Kishimoto's detailed explanation on how that jutsu works... so I suggest you reread it.

Your argument about the cave and whatnot is complete nonsense because the cave is large and they were jumping around like bouncy balls and changed positions numerous times. The cave as a whole was never even shown in a single panel.

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

minato slaughters any oro

even white snake oro

oro has no defense for minatos speed

And Minato doesn't have the stamina to keep killing Orochimaru over and over and over again. Oro has ET mind you, he can summon people to fight for him.

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But raikage didn't said that minato is unsurpassed in talent, but rather as a ninja or as a general. Minato is unsurpassed because he's strong, there's no one capable of defeating that guy as far as raikage's opinion is concerned. So if raikage thought that minato is unsurpassed, it literally means that minato has the caliber to defeat him.

Oh come on. Sasuke can't melt a rock. He just cancelled kabuto's sage chakra who control the very earth of that cave. It's just the heat of that amaterasu that makes the cave RETURNED to it's shape. There's no such a thing as amaterasu melt a rock, but rather it just returned the original shape of the cave and the sage chakra was being cancelled. No more no less.

How come he's a superior and yet he can't killed raikage? He's a superior so he got the means to defeat raikage.

If he doesn't have the killing power, then what's the point of raikage to made that opinion? Does it obvious that he admitted that minato is unsurpassed because minato was able to defeat him and his raiton shield?

The word superior does not mean a person can kill another. Minato clearly one that battle because he wasn't killed and put himself in a standstill with Bee. The Raikage lost because he failed to kill his target and protect his brother.

Again, please explain to me how Minato can cut through the Raikage's Armor. If you say a simple kunai I'll just block your comments from now on.

The Raikage opinion is that there isn't a shinobi superior to Minato. The word "shinobi" encompasses a lot of things aside form one's ability to kill. While Minato's ability to kill fodder and 95% of the shinobi world is without question, he lacks the lethality and power to kill the other 5% which includes Raikage.

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minato could warp behind him slit his throat, and warp back before taking even one breath

That's great, and why would he do that. He plainly just slashed Obito and stood their over his corpse. He doesn't know anything about Orochimaru's abilities, only Sasuke and Kabuto do.

 

[marshall313]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

No. It's not a nonsene at all.

Jumping? are they?

But ofcourse, even if they indeed doing some jumping all aorund the cave, but should we see some of those falling rocks/stalagmites in the scene?

look here http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587

Sasuke's background is still untouched. And correct me if i'm wrong, does itachi was being first stabbed by kabuto before sasuke realease his amazing amaterasu?

And have you ever been in a cave? as you know, sometimes, with a force/sound/vibration or anything, those stalagmites would fall?

Itachi is no doubt a master of genjutsu. So it has alot of sense to make an arguments about the surroundings. Because judging from my scan above, the cave is still good as new. There's no scratch or anything. No evidence of amaterasu or any damage. It's still as good as before.

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

No, its not, because Sasuke's background is just one of many angles. The damaged space could be anywhere to his left, right or even in front of him. And even if there was no damage at all shown, then it would be a mistake by Kishi just like when Raikage had both of his arms back for a single panel.

You have Kishimoto's direct, detailed and indisputable explanation about what that jutsu did, how it works and how its executed. You would have to ignore all of that for your argument to even be remotely possible.

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

minato slaughters any oro

even white snake oro

oro has no defense for minatos speed

....

Are you serious?

minato could warp behind him slit his throat, and warp back before taking even one breath

And why would he warp back?

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i find it likely that minato could possibly take madara and hashirama at the same time

assuming he played his cards right and had a little luck

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....

Are you serious?

And why would he warp back?

to avoid the poison

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

and why would he know about it?

 

[marshall313]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

You blamed kishi? What the heck is that? If that is the case, then should i assume that your-so-called-indisputable explanation is just a mistranslation?

Yea, if it's just sasuke, then i wouldn't question the surrounding or the cave. But we're talking about itachi, who relied too much to his genjutsu. So questioning the surrounding has alot of sense.


We should have seen some damage rocks or damage part of the cave, but we didn't. That alone is an indication that maybe that fight happened in the izanami [world. It's just hard to imagine that both susanoo users was present in that cave, who's shooting their susanoo's arrows and we seeing a lot of falling/damage rocks and yet the cave is still good as new.

Your arguments may be valid when the explanations from the manga and the scene itself never contradicting to each other. But it wasnt really the case.

Well, it was itachi's fault. He keeps on using his genjutsu to fight his opponent in the genjutsu world, and now i even had the opinion that both he and sasuke fought kabuto in that genjutsu world.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

O wow now who's trolling lol.

seriously if they didnt know about ftg he could get them both before they knew what hit them

but if the fight lasted longer than a few moments he may be in danger

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

seriously if they didnt know about ftg he could get them both before they knew what hit them

but if the fight lasted longer than a few moments he may be in danger

Except the fact Hashirama can regenerate any wound he suffers. And this isn't even counting Sage Mode making his body more damage resistant.

And, both of them have encountered Hirashin before. Once they see him use it one the two of them will figure out what he's doing.

I'm amazed that you would even suggest such a thing.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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Except the fact Hashirama can regenerate any wound he suffers. And this isn't even counting Sage Mode making his body more damage resistant.

And, both of them have encountered Hirashin before. Once they see him use it one the two of them will figure out what he's doing.

I'm amazed that you would even suggest such a thing.

im amazed that you still dont grasp the schtick of my trolling

i love minato but sometimes i find it amusing to really dream of ways he could pull off impossible battles

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

im amazed that you still dont grasp the schtick of my trolling

i love minato but sometimes i find it amusing to really dream of ways he could pull off impossible battles

In those dreams you'd have to create new abilities for him. Because frankly a kunai and Rasengan aren't killing many Top Tier people.

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

You blamed kishi? What the heck is that? If that is the case, then should i assume that your-so-called-indisputable explanation is just a mistranslation?

No, I said even if there was no damage at all shown to the cave (as in a panel that actually shows the whole cave instead of just miniscule background glimpses) then it would be Kishimoto's mistake. Also its not "my-so-called-indisputable explanation", its Kishi's. He dedicated almost a whole chapter just to explaining to us readers what that jutsu did and he was very clear about it.

You create an event, then you recreate that event on purpose and then finally the victim becomes trapped in an infinite genjutsu looping between those two events.

But sure, if you want to play it that way... just believe what you will. If I was to accept your version of those events as true, then it just means Itachi trapped someone who had his eyes closed in a Sharingan genjutsu. I'll remind you of that next time you'll try some of that "Minato won't be so stupid to look at Itachi's eyes" nonsense... because evidently by your theory Itachi can trap you inside an inescapable genjutsu whenever he feels like it without any eye contact whatsoever.