Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

In those dreams you'd have to create new abilities for him. Because frankly a kunai and Rasengan aren't killing many Top Tier people.

if hashirama can truly heal.any wound automatically then i agree minato stands no chance

but to flesh and blood enemies without haxed logia type healing

minato is always a threat, if a kunai can cut your throat

minato can kill you

that doesnt mean he should be favored in every fight it just means he has a chance

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

if hashirama can truly heal.any wound automatically then i agree minato stands no chance

but to flesh and blood enemies without haxed logia type healing

minato is always a threat, if a kunai can cut your throat

minato can kill you

that doesnt mean he should be favored in every fight it just means he has a chance

I've listed them before but any character with heavy defensive techniques or healing abilities would give Minato fits. I mean that technically even includes Tsuande who went toe to toe with Madara with giant Sussano swords stuck in her body.

So aside from the ultimate defense and healing abilities, I think any of the Sharigan users with MS would give him issues as well.

Then you have wildcards like Deidara who's jutsu could kill Minato because Minato is either A) unaware of what happens with C4, or B) Can't get out of the blast radius of C0 even with Hirashin because there may or may not be a limit to how far he can travel.

I just think his techniques are far to basic to kill the slew of characters in this manga who are God Like or barely human. I mean I can name almost ten who I think he has little to no shot of beating.

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

im amazed that you still dont grasp the schtick of my trolling

i love minato but sometimes i find it amusing to really dream of ways he could pull off impossible battles

^^^ admits to trolling.

Know when to respond, pick your battles wisely.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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^^^ admits to trolling.

Know when to respond, pick your battles wisely.

ahhh i never denied it m3j-senpai

i dont flame bait though; i only troll by overhyping my favorite characters

e-fighting isnt my thing

kisame loves manga helpers!!!!!

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I've listed them before but any character with heavy defensive techniques or healing abilities would give Minato fits. I mean that technically even includes Tsuande who went toe to toe with Madara with giant Sussano swords stuck in her body.

So aside from the ultimate defense and healing abilities, I think any of the Sharigan users with MS would give him issues as well.

Then you have wildcards like Deidara who's jutsu could kill Minato because Minato is either A) unaware of what happens with C4, or B) Can't get out of the blast radius of C0 even with Hirashin because there may or may not be a limit to how far he can travel.

I just think his techniques are far to basic to kill the slew of characters in this manga who are God Like or barely human. I mean I can name almost ten who I think he has little to no shot of beating.

unless those healing abilites are automatic i disagree

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

unless those healing abilites are automatic i disagree

Hashirama's certainly are, at least according to Madara who said they were superior to Tsuande's, and hers, hell even Sakura and the orginal Kabuto's are automatic.

Kabuto and Orochimaru's white snake abilities show us they can actually die and then revive themselves.

I'm pretty Naruto is unkillable thanks to the Kyuubi.

And Kisame survived having his entire midsection ripped out.

So all in all you have

1) Hashirama
2) Tsuande
3) Orochimaru
4) Kabuto
5) Naruto
6) Kisame

Other than that, I think there are two who he simply can't kill because he can't hurt them

7) 3rd Raikage
8) 4th Raikage

And even if I rule out Madara, we still have Itachi who's powers I feel like are too great

9) Itachi

The of course there's people like Edo Madara and Nagato who are just incredibly powerful.

In all fairness, just because there are some people he can't kill, doesn't mean they can kill him. I think Itachi stands the best shot thanks to genjutsu. But all in all, if he couldn't run, I think eventually everyone on this list (minus Itachi) would wear him down. He isn't exactly a stamina power house.

 

[marshall313]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

im amazed that you still dont grasp the schtick of my trolling

i love minato but sometimes i find it amusing to really dream of ways he could pull off impossible battles

But minato could really defeat hashirama. If he can't hurt him then sealed him. That's all there is. For me, minato can't be defeated by anyone because he got the shinigami for a sure KO. I doubt hashirama and madara could withstand the GOD of DEATH.

 

[M3J]

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Hashirama's certainly are, at least according to Madara who said they were superior to Tsuande's, and hers, hell even Sakura and the orginal Kabuto's are automatic.

Kabuto and Orochimaru's white snake abilities show us they can actually die and then revive themselves.

I'm pretty Naruto is unkillable thanks to the Kyuubi.

And Kisame survived having his entire midsection ripped out.

So all in all you have

1) Hashirama
2) Tsuande
3) Orochimaru
4) Kabuto
5) Naruto
6) Kisame

Other than that, I think there are two who he simply can't kill because he can't hurt them

7) 3rd Raikage
8) 4th Raikage

And even if I rule out Madara, we still have Itachi who's powers I feel like are too great

9) Itachi

The of course there's people like Edo Madara and Nagato who are just incredibly powerful.

In all fairness, just because there are some people he can't kill, doesn't mean they can kill him. I think Itachi stands the best shot thanks to genjutsu. But all in all, if he couldn't run, I think eventually everyone on this list (minus Itachi) would wear him down. He isn't exactly a stamina power house.

Kabuto came pretty close to killing Naruto - Tsunade was the one who saved him.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

But minato could really defeat hashirama. If he can't hurt him then sealed him. That's all there is. For me, minato can't be defeated by anyone because he got the shinigami for a sure KO. I doubt hashirama and madara could withstand the GOD of DEATH.

i dont believe hashiramas healing would be faslt enough to heal a kunai to the juggular

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Kabuto came pretty close to killing Naruto - Tsunade was the one who saved him.

he was 12.....

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i dont believe hashiramas healing would be faslt enough to heal a kunai to the juggular

He has the most advanced healing technique in the manga. Kisame, again, had his entire midsection ripped out and survived.

Hell, Deidara had both of his arms ripped off and didn't even do anything about the injuries and was fine.

These are shinobi, they can survive extreme injuries. And given that Hashirama is the God of Shinobi, I am willing to be he can survive nearly anything. Not to mention, when in Sage Mode, again, a mere kunai won't even scratch him.

 

[marshall313]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

No, I said even if there was no damage at all shown to the cave (as in a panel that actually shows the whole cave instead of just miniscule background glimpses) then it would be Kishimoto's mistake. Also its not "my-so-called-indisputable explanation", its Kishi's. He dedicated almost a whole chapter just to explaining to us readers what that jutsu did and he was very clear about it.

You create an event, then you recreate that event on purpose and then finally the victim becomes trapped in an infinite genjutsu looping between those two events.

But sure, if you want to play it that way... just believe what you will. If I was to accept your version of those events as true, then it just means Itachi trapped someone who had his eyes closed in a Sharingan genjutsu. I'll remind you of that next time you'll try some of that "Minato won't be so stupid to look at Itachi's eyes" nonsense... because evidently by your theory Itachi can trap you inside an inescapable genjutsu whenever he feels like it without any eye contact whatsoever.

But as what itachi has been stated, izanami is a useless attack to minato's caliber and character. He already knows who he was. Minato can easily broke that izanami. That's ofcourse according to itachi.

Don't worry. I fully understand how izanami really works. But the problem is, the other scenario that i'm talking about is kinda suspicious. Just like i said, your arguments about that fight is already contradicting what the scenario has been showing us. So basically, my arguments isn't really nonsense at all. Because i do have a proof or reason on why i had this kind of opinion on regards to that fight.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

arm cut off does not equal throat being cut

please explain in detail

how tsunade could beat minato

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i dont believe hashiramas healing would be faslt enough to heal a kunai to the juggular

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he was 12.....

What does his age have to do with the fact that Naruto can be killed even with the Kyuubi in him?

 

[ninjabot]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

minato could warp behind him slit his throat, and warp back before taking even one breath

I just said Minato could DECAPITATE Orochimaru and it wouldn't matter, and your answer was to have him slit his throat instead? Secondly, how the hell would he know it wasn't safe to breathe? He doesn't know Orochimaru has paralyzing fumes that come from his blood, and once he knows Orochimaru's head is missing he has no reason to move.

And why do you always defend Minato by assuming his opponent ALWAYS has a kunai or tag placed near them already? That would be like me saying "Sasuke hits the opponent in the back with an Amaterasu", without explaining how the hell he gets there in the first place.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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What does his age have to do with the fact that Naruto can be killed even with the Kyuubi in him?

when did anyone say he couldnt be killed?

i believe the only reason he cannot be killed is because he is the main character of the anime

the main character never dies in shounen unless your goku or yuske

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I just said Minato could DECAPITATE Orochimaru and it wouldn't matter, and your answer was to have him slit his throat instead? Secondly, how the hell would he know it wasn't safe to breathe? He doesn't know Orochimaru has paralyzing fumes that come from his blood, and once he knows Orochimaru's head is missing he has no reason to move.

And why do you always defend Minato by assuming his opponent ALWAYS has a kunai or tag placed near them already? That would be like me saying "Sasuke hits the opponent in the back with an Amaterasu", without explaining how the hell he gets there in the first place.

white snake oro would be hard

but minato could use his rasengan also, its not oro is invincible

well maybe he is considering he survived the death god seal or sarutobi
survived the kyuubi naruto at the bridge
survived sasuke defeating him

and survived itachis toskah blade

so maybe minato couldnt kill oro off due to his cockroach level survival skills

yet he could defeat whichever incarnation stood before him

let me guess minatos rasengan would do no damage either

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But as what itachi has been stated, izanami is a useless attack to minato's caliber and character. He already knows who he was. Minato can easily broke that izanami. That's ofcourse according to itachi.

Don't worry. I fully understand how izanami really works. But the problem is, the other scenario that i'm talking about is kinda suspicious. Just like i said, your arguments about that fight is already contradicting what the scenario has been showing us. So basically, my arguments isn't really nonsense at all. Because i do have a proof or reason on why i had this kind of opinion on regards to that fight.

i agree izanami only works on those who are evil or those who are lost in their ways

well i guess if the person was truly evil, it wouldnt effect them either in theory, as they have no specific reason to be evil yet they are by choice

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

when did anyone say he couldnt be killed?

i believe the only reason he cannot be killed is because he is the main character of the anime

the main character never dies in shounen unless your goku or yuske

Delbi implied that Naruto can't be killed because of Kyuubi or something, and I said that even with the Kyuubi, Naruto came very close to death.

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

arm cut off does not equal throat being cut

please explain in detail

how tsunade could beat minato

If you know anything about the human body you'd know losing both of your arms in the manner Deidara did would kill you by blood loss in about a few minutes or less. You'd suffer more blood loss from having both of your arms cut off than from having your juglar vein split. The fact it'd only take Hashirama, Kisame, or Tsuande a few seconds if that to heal the wound they'd be fine.

And I never said Tsuande could beat him, I simply said he couldn't beat here. Please read more carefully, I said, and I quote.

"In all fairness, just because there are some people he can't kill, doesn't mean they can kill him. I think Itachi stands the best shot thanks to genjutsu. But all in all, if he couldn't run, I think eventually everyone on this list (minus Itachi) would wear him down. He isn't exactly a stamina power house."

Seems your bias is getting in the way of your reading comprehension.

Tsuande's stamina is off the charts thanks to her seal. Minato would injure her over and over and would become exhausted. All she'd need is one punch of kick to end his life. Not saying she stands a great shot of ever hitting him, but the possibility exists. Tricking him into believing she is dead is always an option.

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Delbi implied that Naruto can't be killed because of Kyuubi or something, and I said that even with the Kyuubi, Naruto came very close to death.

The Kyuubi regenerated his lung and a large portion of his chest cavity after Sasuke put a chidori through it. That kind of regeneration seems to be common among Jinchuriki considering they suffer Third Degree Burns after going Version 2.0 and as long as they are on good terms with their Biju they are instantly healed upon coming out of it.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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Delbi implied that Naruto can't be killed because of Kyuubi or something, and I said that even with the Kyuubi, Naruto came very close to death.

i believe that if he were to reach the same level of compatability with the kyuubi that bee has with the 8 tails he would be nearly impossible to kill

as the kyuubi could freely take over and bail his ass out

yet an opponent with even more chaakra like juubito is an exception to that theory

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

let me guess minatos rasengan would do no damage either

That's the whole point, it'll do damage but he'll just regenerate. Orochimaru is the most resilant character in this manga, he isn't going to be killed by a simple Rasengan or Kunai.

And if he summon Edo's like he did vs. Sarturobi Minato's only options would be to run or use the Death God thus killing himself.

Also if he tags Orochimaru's body, Orochimaru can spit up a new one with no tag on it. Knowing Minato's trick he wouldn't let him tag him again, and even if he did, rinse and repeat with the rebirth jutsu.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

If you know anything about the human body you'd know losing both of your arms in the manner Deidara did would kill you by blood loss in about a few minutes or less. You'd suffer more blood loss from having both of your arms cut off than from having your juglar vein split. The fact it'd only take Hashirama, Kisame, or Tsuande a few seconds if that to heal the wound they'd be fine.

And I never said Tsuande could beat him, I simply said he couldn't beat here. Please read more carefully, I said, and I quote.

"In all fairness, just because there are some people he can't kill, doesn't mean they can kill him. I think Itachi stands the best shot thanks to genjutsu. But all in all, if he couldn't run, I think eventually everyone on this list (minus Itachi) would wear him down. He isn't exactly a stamina power house."

Seems your bias is getting in the way of your reading comprehension.

Tsuande's stamina is off the charts thanks to her seal. Minato would injure her over and over and would become exhausted. All she'd need is one punch of kick to end his life. Not saying she stands a great shot of ever hitting him, but the possibility exist. Tricking him into believing she is dead is always an option.

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The Kyuubi regenerated his lung and a large portion of his chest cavity after Sasuke put a chidori through it. That kind of regeneration seems to be common among Jinchuriki considering they suffer Third Degree Burns after going Version 2.0 and as long as they are on good terms with their Biju they are instantly healed upon coming out of it.

judging by that tsunade should have died from hours of her torso being severed in two

yet in shounen manga physics dont always apply

deidra was also a master with that clay

he probably used it to stop the bleeding

 

[Delbi]

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judging by that tsunade should have died from hours of her torso being severed in two

yet in shounen manga physics dont always apply

deidra was also a master with that clay

he probably used it to stop the bleeding

Minato has nothing that will sever her in two. She was literally crushed in two, and had no chakra left aferwards. There's a difference. She could have put her self back together but was more worried about healing everyone else.

And there is no probably, how would he even get the clay into the wounds with no working hands?

Mind you, he should have been dead just from losing one arm fighting Gaara. Their fight went on after he lost his first arm and didn't even seem fatigued.

So your point that slitting a throat would kill someone is null considering the wounds we've seen shinobi take and live through.