Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[Dark blood]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Doesn't seem to be related to genjutsu, but I dunno.

We don't know if Madara really does plan to use Infinite Tsukuyomi. His personality seems to be destructive, based on how he acted when revived.

So far his personality seems to be inclined towards Hashirama
But seriously he do look like some one who seems to destructive but he is looking for a proper contest where he can test his powers and prepare for next challenge. But yah with that mentality infinite Tsukuyaomi seems a bit too dull

 

[marshall313]

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My eyes are fine.

Amaterasu and Susanoo's arrows neither require handsigns either and are just as instantaneous. First off, the bleeding isn't any kind of warning, especially since activating Hiraishin takes longer then a "millisecond". If Minato could activate Hiraishin that fast, Obito wouldn't have nearly caught him several times nor would Ee have touched his nose. Zetsu never stated anything like that, neither did the Hachibi, Danzo, or Obito. None of them "sensed" it before they were hit. And you seem to be ignoring the fact that Hiraishin isn't automatic, Minato still needs to realize the need to employ it before he can actually use it.

Several times? Ee touched his nose? Exaggerating much?

Obito just caught minato 2 times in that fight. And yet you called that several times.
And raikage never touched minato's nose.

I thought your eyes are fine, but you clearly didn't see that well. That raikage's punch never touched minato's nose. Never.

I'm pretty sure danzo, obito and hachibi had this kind of expression from the manga. (!), It means that they sensed something before they were hit by amaterasu.

No. Judging from raikage's speed, he can hit/punch minato in just a matter of a second. But minato avoided that punch, so with that, minato's hiraishin just take a millisecond/s to activate.

And why is that? Minato would see the bleeding of sasuke's eyes, and what do you think would be his reaction? shock? curious? amaze? happy? ofcourse he'll get a warning with that scene. After all, they're ninjas.

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

So far his personality seems to be inclined towards Hashirama
But seriously he do look like some one who seems to destructive but he is looking for a proper contest where he can test his powers and prepare for next challenge. But yah with that mentality infinite Tsukuyaomi seems a bit too dull

Seems more like his personality being hellbent on destruction and counterproductive, considering he wanted peace and safety, yet is evil and violent. <_<

I still think Madara lied about Tsukuyomi.

 

[Dark blood]

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Seems more like his personality being hellbent on destruction and counterproductive, considering he wanted peace and safety, yet is evil and violent. <_<

I still think Madara lied about Tsukuyomi.

Assuming that he wanted to destroy every thing , Question is why ????
He had bad blood with Uchihas who are long gone now.
He had unfinished business with Hashirama who was also long gone...
Then what's the point of destroying every thing and why would he do that

 

[Rikudou King]

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Several times? Ee touched his nose? Exaggerating much?

Obito just caught minato 2 times in that fight. And yet you called that several times.
And raikage never touched minato's nose.

I thought your eyes are fine, but you clearly didn't see that well. That raikage's punch never touched minato's nose. Never.

I'm pretty sure danzo, obito and hachibi had this kind of expression from the manga. (!), It means that they sensed something before they were hit by amaterasu.

No. Judging from raikage's speed, he can hit/punch minato in just a matter of a second. But minato avoided that punch, so with that, minato's hiraishin just take a millisecond/s to activate.

And why is that? Minato would see the bleeding of sasuke's eyes, and what do you think would be his reaction? shock? curious? amaze? happy? ofcourse he'll get a warning with that scene. After all, they're ninjas.

Yeah, Obito nearly caught Minato several times before he was able to Hiraishin away (the bombs on baby Naruto, nearly warping him with Kamui, with the chain, and finally nearly touching him in their last clash). And Ee did touch his nose, you can see a mark on Minato's nose that wasn't there before. There's no exaggeration about it.

(!) doesn't mean they sensed anything, it's denotes surprise. Minato barely avoided Ee's attack when he knew it was coming and was staring right at him. And the shot comes so soon after, there isn't much warning. Ee literally had to stand and wait, whereas Naruto was incapable of moving before the flames landed, and they both have equal reaction to Minato.

 

[marshall313]

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Yeah, Obito nearly caught Minato several times before he was able to Hiraishin away (the bombs on baby Naruto, nearly warping him with Kamui, with the chain, and finally nearly touching him in their last clash). And Ee did touch his nose, you can see a mark on Minato's nose that wasn't there before. There's no exaggeration about it.

See? you're just making that up. You even included the exploding tag on baby naruto and the nearly touching "stuff". Nearly or almost but he didn't touch him, did he?. How come putting an exploding tag to a kidnap baby can be considered as a feat?

Where the heck is your-so-called-mark on minato's nose?

Barely avoided? as in he easily thrown his kunai as a counter attack of raikage who trashed the sharingan's perception ability? And yet you called that barely?

(!) doesn't mean they sensed anything, it's denotes surprise. Minato barely avoided Ee's attack when he knew it was coming and was staring right at him. And the shot comes so soon after, there isn't much warning. Ee literally had to stand and wait, whereas Naruto was incapable of moving before the flames landed, and they both have equal reaction to Minato.

Surprise or not, sensed or not, but the fact remains that the three of them was seen in the manga that they have some reaction/surprise before they were hit by amaterasu. That alone is an indication that minato can escape that attack. Is that even hard to accept?

And for all i care with naruto's reaction to itachi's amaterasu. We're talking about minato, and minato alone. And the fact that even naruto said that it missed. Meaning he already waiting for that jutsu. And No. MInato and naruto aren't equal with your so called "equal reaction".

 

[REN KOUEN]

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i wonder if madaras trump card could be controlling juubito with chaakra rods and the 6 paths jutsu

 

[LnDRash]

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i wonder if madaras trump card could be controlling juubito with chaakra rods and the 6 paths jutsu

Very unlikely considering Obito's chakra right now is vastly more powerful even compared to Madara's. Naruto has already shown that you can resist that control when he was overpowering Nagato's chakra with his own... and that was just the Kyuubi.

 

[marshall313]

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i wonder if madaras trump card could be controlling juubito with chaakra rods and the 6 paths jutsu

Maybe the juubi itself. As you know, madara was the one who first summoned the GEdo. And it became his life support system. So it's not impossible to assume that the gedo/juubi is already connected to madara.

 

[ninjabot]

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ninjabot you know you love me and your life would be empty if you blocked me

You weren't one of the people I was referring to, lol. Though even if you were, why would you care?

You shouldn't. You really shouldn't. I'm a faceless name over the internet. I'm fucking nobody to you. What I think about you shouldn't mean shit. I can assure you if you blocked me I wouldn't give half a damn. Same goes for anyone here.

On topic: What if Madara's trump card that he's waiting to use is a Kotoamatsukami that was so powerful he can only use it once in a lifetime? Then he could make Obito listen to him. Or, it could simply be an Izanami. That one certainly takes time to set up. If he were to use Izanami on a person who had no will or ability to understand the concept of "self", then the Juubi Jinchuuriki would essentially be oneshotted, trapped in it's own mind until Madara deemed it fit to take control.

 

[Rikudou King]

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See? you're just making that up. You even included the exploding tag on baby naruto and the nearly touching "stuff". Nearly or almost but he didn't touch him, did he?. How come putting an exploding tag to a kidnap baby can be considered as a feat?

Where the heck is your-so-called-mark on minato's nose?

Barely avoided? as in he easily thrown his kunai as a counter attack of raikage who trashed the sharingan's perception ability? And yet you called that barely?

Making what up? Minato was unable to fully avoid the explosion of the tags that were around Naruto. And unless you're gonna argue that Obito is as fast as Amaterasu, Minato being only barely able to avoid being caught by something slower clearly brings into question him dodging something that's instantaneous.

Um, he "easily threw his kunai" before Ee attacked. Ee outright let Minato spread his tags before he actually attacked. That's not a speed feat. And Ee never "trashed" the Sharingan's prediction ability.

Surprise or not, sensed or not, but the fact remains that the three of them was seen in the manga that they have some reaction/surprise before they were hit by amaterasu. That alone is an indication that minato can escape that attack. Is that even hard to accept?

And for all i care with naruto's reaction to itachi's amaterasu. We're talking about minato, and minato alone. And the fact that even naruto said that it missed. Meaning he already waiting for that jutsu. And No. MInato and naruto aren't equal with your so called "equal reaction".

No it doesn't. The only one that even showed (!) was Obito and that was towards Sauske's eye becoming Itachi's MS. And you should care plenty about Naruto's reaction, since as mentioned, it has repeatedly been made out to equal Minato's every time his shunshin. It didn't miss though, as Itachi was aiming for the dog. The fact that Naruto had no idea it wasn't aimed for him nor was able to move til after it had landed is pretty bad.

 

[marshall313]

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Making what up? Minato was unable to fully avoid the explosion of the tags that were around Naruto. And unless you're gonna argue that Obito is as fast as Amaterasu, Minato being only barely able to avoid being caught by something slower clearly brings into question him dodging something that's instantaneous. .

But he did avoided that explosion, didn't he? And i thought your talking about minato who get caught of obito's speed. And again, stop saying the word barely, because minato always avoided any attack in an instant.

Um, he "easily threw his kunai" before Ee attacked. Ee outright let Minato spread his tags before he actually attacked. That's not a speed feat. And Ee never "trashed" the Sharingan's prediction ability..

No. I'm talking about when minato almost got hit by raikage's punch. When raikage's punch is almost 3cm away from his face, minato throw his kunai as a counter attack before he teleport himself to one of his tag. Have you already forgotten the kunai at the back of raikage? the reason why minato standing on his back like a boss?

Yea, as a matter of fact, he did trashed the MS of sasuke.

No it doesn't. The only one that even showed (!) was Obito and that was towards Sauske's eye becoming Itachi's MS. And you should care plenty about Naruto's reaction, since as mentioned, it has repeatedly been made out to equal Minato's every time his shunshin. It didn't miss though, as Itachi was aiming for the dog. The fact that Naruto had no idea it wasn't aimed for him nor was able to move til after it had landed is pretty bad.

No. And so is danzo.

But the manga didn't said that they're equal. Because even yamato said that naruto's shunshin is nowhere on the same level of minato. And i doubt that amaterasu would hit naruto. A sensor ninja who got an amazing speed can't be hit by any attack. Naruto can easily doge that like he did to raikage as raikage did to amaterasu.

 

[naruto the best]

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I'm really puzzled about Madara's trump card. I think it can't be a genjutsu because that will be moot to Juubito, or some technique that results brutal attacks because he has that kind of blow already. Also if it's some kind of sharingan or rinnegan jutsu that I believe can't still fuck up Juubito considering the latter's strength.

Could it be some ninja tool by the Rikodou?. which he used to outpower the Juubi?

or any Rikodou jutsu stuff taught by Madara to Obito as Madara stated Juubito might anticipate him doing it?

 

[REN KOUEN]

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I'm really puzzled about Madara's trump card. I think it can't be a genjutsu because that will be moot to Juubito, or some technique that results brutal attacks because he has that kind of blow already. Also if it's some kind of sharingan or rinnegan jutsu that I believe can't still fuck up Juubito considering the latter's strength.

Could it be some ninja tool by the Rikodou?. which he used to outpower the Juubi?

or any Rikodou jutsu stuff taught by Madara to Obito as Madara stated Juubito might anticipate him doing it?

this has been bothering me since madara brought it up

i was thinkig possibly a ninja tool or something related to rikudou
ir perhaps a new jutsu we dont know about

eiter way kishi has us all wonderig about it

 

[naruto the best]

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this has been bothering me since madara brought it up

i was thinkig possibly a ninja tool or something related to rikudou
ir perhaps a new jutsu we dont know about

eiter way kishi has us all wonderig about it

Yeah it's been bothering me.

Just hoping Kishi won't let my expectation down.

One great jutsu or anything from the Sage will be awesome.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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Yeah it's been bothering me.

Just hoping Kishi won't let my expectation down.

One great jutsu or anything from the Sage will be awesome.

kishi not living to expectations

this would never happen
/entire war arc

 

[Dark blood]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

May be something that make Juubi his pet and he leave the body of Obito and leaving him like

 

[Rikudou King]

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But he did avoided that explosion, didn't he? And i thought your talking about minato who get caught of obito's speed. And again, stop saying the word barely, because minato always avoided any attack in an instant.

Barely, which is the whole point. You proclaim that he would be able to avoid something as fast as Amaterasu, yet he can barely avoid attacks that are much slower. And Minato was being matched with Obito's speed.

No. I'm talking about when minato almost got hit by raikage's punch. When raikage's punch is almost 3cm away from his face, minato throw his kunai as a counter attack before he teleport himself to one of his tag. Have you already forgotten the kunai at the back of raikage? the reason why minato standing on his back like a boss?

Yea, as a matter of fact, he did trashed the MS of sasuke.

Minato didn't throw any kunai, he simply left it as he teleported to previously spread tags. And, no he didn't. The oppose was shown, that despite Ee's speed, the Sharingan could keep up.

No. And so is danzo.

But the manga didn't said that they're equal. Because even yamato said that naruto's shunshin is nowhere on the same level of minato. And i doubt that amaterasu would hit naruto. A sensor ninja who got an amazing speed can't be hit by any attack. Naruto can easily doge that like he did to raikage as raikage did to amaterasu.

Um, yeah.

Technically true, the manga has proclaimed that Naruto has supased him. But that's pretty unbelievable, so I'm going with even. And Naruto's shunshin has directly been compared to Minato's Hiraishin several times, when he used it against Kisame, against Ee, and then to counter the multiple Bijuu Blasts. Naruto couldn't even react to Amaterasu before it landed. Ee literally stood still preparing shunshin and waited til it was shot. That would sort of imply that simply dodging it isn't all that easy, even for people with their speeds.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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May be something that make Juubi his pet and he leave the body of Obito and leaving him like

obitos body will be destroyed by the juubi eventually

my theory now is that madaras trump card has something to do with the gedo mazo

it makes perfect sense that it would take some time to prepare

 

[M3J]

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As a shinobi, Naruto has nowhere near surpassed Minato. Though as a powerhouse, he likely has.