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Mihawk by no means is stronger than any of the admirals.



I think Mihawk (worlds strongest swordsman) is stronger then shanks (worlds second strongest swordman perhaps?) , and shanks is stronger then admirals.
 

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I think Mihawk (worlds strongest swordsman) is stronger then shanks (worlds second strongest swordman perhaps?) , and shanks is stronger then admirals.
Fair enough, but where is the evidence to say he is stronger than Shanks?
They were rivals back then.

I believe Shanks with two arms was probably slightly stronger than Mihawk since Shanks is a Yonkou.
However, Shanks's strength doesn't come only from Sword Slashes. He has a monstrous Haki, and I think due to the fact that the same Akainu punch that put a hole through Ace, was the same punch Shanks effortlessly blocked when stopping the war, that Shanks has amongst the most monstrous Haki levels in the series.

Since Mihawk was being stalled by the likes of Vista, who is similar to Marco & Jozu and roughly skimming the Admiral tier level in strength, I doubt Mihawk is a world above the Admirals like you imply.
No, its impossible. If Mihawk couldn't "slaughter" Kizaru.
You're underestimating Rayleigh I believe. He's the First Mate of the most powerful crew in history. Old or young he'll kick ass.
You're also forgetting Kizaru's life wasn't in any danger at all when he fought Rayleigh.

Also, in One Piece, looking at the ages, characters are in their prime between their late 30s to their 50s.
ALL the strongest Marines are above the 35+ mark.
ALL the extremely strong characters who are amongst the strongest in the series are 30s+ in age.
(I'm not counting Luffy/Law/Kid since they are not amongst the strongest in the series)

Shanks is probably slightly stronger than the Admirals, and as a result, I can understand Mihawk being slightly stronger than the Admirals, I wouldn't be too surprised if you were right on that.
But for you to say "kill Admirals out of boredom", that's impossible.
Mihawk couldn't slaughter them.
Mihawk VS Any Admiral would make for an amazingly close fight.
 

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Fair enough, but where is the evidence to say he is stronger than Shanks?
They were rivals back then.
But not anymore, Mihawk is now the most powerfull swordsman in the world.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2109-12/one-piece/chapter-50.html

I believe Shanks with two arms was probably slightly stronger than Mihawk since Shanks is a Yonkou. .

Shanks with two arms was equal to mihawk, not stronger or weaker.

However, Shanks's strength doesn't come only from Sword Slashes. He has a monstrous Haki, and I think due to the fact that the same Akainu punch that put a hole through Ace, was the same punch Shanks effortlessly blocked when stopping the war, that Shanks has amongst the most monstrous Haki levels in the series..
He stopped the punch with a sword right?
Also, haki is being used to defend or powerup one's attack/defence
Even able to put into weapons :)
http://www.mangareader.net/103-56928-14/one-piece/chapter-597.html
No doubt both mihawk and shanks are able to use haki in their swords.

Since Mihawk was being stalled by the likes of Vista, who is similar to Marco & Jozu and roughly skimming the Admiral tier level in strength, I doubt Mihawk is a world above the Admirals like you imply.
You'd have to understand mihawks personality too
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2111-4/one-piece/chapter-51.html
Mihawk isnt the type to really go 100% all out, unless he's forced to do so.


Shanks is probably slightly stronger than the Admirals, and as a result, I can understand Mihawk being slightly stronger than the Admirals, I wouldn't be too surprised if you were right on that.
But for you to say "kill Admirals out of boredom", that's impossible.
Mihawk couldn't slaughter them.
Mihawk VS Any Admiral would make for an amazingly close fight.
Shanks is above admiral level, mihawk is even above that, Yes it would be possible for both of them to kill off admirals, i didnt say it'd be easy for them though.
 

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This seems like a lot of praise being heaped on Mihawk. He is undoubtedly one of the most formidable fighters in the manga, but this seems like a bit much. Mihawk attempted to determine the difference in ability between he and Whitebeard, and it was Jozu who intervened and stopped his slash, supposedly the strongest slash in the world, without much concern. I think this, if anything, showed that there was a considerable gap between the two. Beyond his title, which only would seem to measure him against those who specifically consider themselves swordsmen, we haven't seen much from Mihawk against the best. By his own accounting, he and Vista were somewhat evenly matched before their duel was interrupted. Mihawk was unmarred at the conclusion of the War at Marineford, mainly because outside of that brief skirmish with Vista, it didn't appear as though he fought anyone of note for any serious amount of time. I think it's premature to declare his superiority over the admirals, or the Yonkou for that matter. He simply hasn't shown anything on the level of Whitebeard, Akainu, or Akoiji.
 

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This seems like a lot of praise being heaped on Mihawk. He is undoubtedly one of the most formidable fighters in the manga, but this seems like a bit much. Mihawk attempted to determine the difference in ability between he and Whitebeard, and it was Jozu who intervened and stopped his slash, supposedly the strongest slash in the world, without much concern.
it was just a long ranged slash from the strongest swordsman , not the strongest attack possible attack mihawk is capable off.
 

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Shanks is above admiral level, mihawk is even above that, Yes it would be possible for both of them to kill off admirals, i didnt say it'd be easy for them though.
You said he might kill Admirals "out of boredom". That's how this all started.
You could have just said you were joking, but you've defended the statement so it can't be a joke unless you're someone who enjoys trolling.
But so far you've only laid down strong and valid arguments so I doubt thats the case.

Its been proven that the gap between those who are Yonkou level and those who are Admiral isn't big enough for Yonkou's to kill Admirals out of boredom.
Otherwise, Yonkou's WOULD do that.
Mihawk being Yonkou level is valid.
However, WB couldn't even kill Akainu. He could only deliver a beating to him.

There isn't enough to suggest Yonkou level is that much above Kizaru, Akainu, Aokiji and as we'll probably soon see, Fujitora.
I also firmly believe that Shanks's strength isn't totally down to his swordsmanship, but to the way he infuses Haki with his fighting style.
I think there's more to Shanks's strength than just sword fighting.
 

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Thinking about it, most of the shichibukai bounties should be pretty much irrelevant anyways. Doflamingo had 340 mil however in the grand scheme of things its not actually all that much, specially if he is the captain of a crew. He is also easily fighting law and odds are he is currently well stronger than chinjao who sports a bounty of over 500 mil (although he is not as strong as he used to be). Mihawk could easily be in the same boat and sport a measly 500 mil (I would argue that for the strongest swordsman in the world even 500 mil wouldn't be too much at all). Boa had 80 mil before being a shichibukai even though right now she could easily still be well stronger than luffy (boa mastered all types of haki long before luffy even knew about haki at all and sengoku did say she was extremely powerful). BB had 0 even though he should be worth easily far more than ace who had 550 mil. I guess mihawk having formerly anywhere between 400 and 500 mil would be pretty damn impressive although all that it would entail today is that the world government recruited him not so early in his career as they did with boa.
 

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I also firmly believe that Shanks's strength isn't totally down to his swordsmanship, but to the way he infuses Haki with his fighting style.
I think there's more to Shanks's strength than just sword fighting.
infuses haki to his fighting style = infuse haki into his swordmanship ;)
And ofc theres more to his strenght then just sword fighting, its his conquerer haki thats damn strong, big armies r useless against him.
Also he has a powerfull crew and allies.
 

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it was just a long ranged slash from the strongest swordsman , not the strongest attack possible attack mihawk is capable off.
I wasn't saying it was his greatest effort, or the strongest attack he could muster. However, if he's using it to test the difference between himself and the man bearing the title of 'World's Strongest Man', then it'd be safe to assume that he bothered to put a lot effort into it, otherwise it would be an exercise in futility. And it was Jozu that smothered it with seeming ease. Mihawk's feats far from support the claims you're making about him.
 

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I wasn't saying it was his greatest effort, or the strongest attack he could muster. However, if he's using it to test the difference between himself and the man bearing the title of 'World's Strongest Man', then it'd be safe to assume that he bothered to put a lot effort into it, otherwise it would be an exercise in futility. And it was Jozu that smothered it with seeming ease. Mihawk's feats far from support the claims you're making about him.
you have to be realistic, it was a very long range attack,who knows how many KM's away.
And jozu didnt block it, he deflected the attack in the air.
 

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you have to be realistic, it was a very long range attack,who knows how many KM's away.
And jozu didnt block it, he deflected the attack in the air.
Kilometres away? Seriously? Akainu and Akoiji fought across an entire island changing its climate, and somehow the distance, which based on the manga wouldn't be measured in kilometres, between Mihawk and the middle of the plaza is a big deal. And Jozu stopped the attack, whether you wish to classify it as a block or a deflection, it doesn't change the fact that Mihawk's attack was easily managed. If Mihawk thought his attack would've lost significant power before it got to WB, he wouldn't have bothered. The entire purpose of the attack was to compare his strength to Whitebeard's. Either one of Mihawk's most powerful attacks was handled without much concern by Jozu, or Mihawk was just wasting everyone's time with his grand declaration of determining the difference between himself and WB. So either he isn't as strong as you suggest, or he's an idiot that likes to pursue fruitless endeavours. I find it hard to believe that Mihawk is an idiot, so I'm going to go with the former.
 

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its funny how you classify mihawk as not so strong because an attack has been deflected by a guy made out of diamont lol
 

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its funny how you classify mihawk as not so strong because an attack has been deflected by a guy made out of diamont lol
Its the fact that Diamond Jozu isn't above the Admiral level and he easily deflected the move.
I don't think its too much down to his Fruit.
WB didn't even flinch at the slash by Mihawk. So there isn't anything that Mihawk has done that is truly impressive in the series yet.

All we know is that Mihwak is at the Yonkou level since he was equal to Shanks with two-arms.
And from the Yonkou's we've seen, there is nothing to suggest they would "Kill Admirals out of boredom" like you said.
 

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I think Mihawk (worlds strongest swordsman) is stronger then shanks (worlds second strongest swordman perhaps?) , and shanks is stronger then admirals.
This has to be the worst. I am replying to a post from a year ago. However since it was addressed to me I feel I have to clear something. There is too much flawed reasoning in you statement. Shanks is indeed slightly stronger than an admiral. However take into account that his power also takes into account his advanced haki.

Mihawk the worlds strongest man sort out Shanks to fight him. He has the better technique and great finesse that exceeds that of all other swordsman. But with advanced haki and great deal of strength Shanks an unrefined swordsman per say could keep up with Mihawk. Strictly speaking as swordsman Mihawk is the better man but on in overall Shanks > Mihawk.

With that said I will say here that Mihawk is an admiral level fighter in that he can give a good fight but a wins is a stretch.
 

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This has to be the worst. I am replying to a post from a year ago. However since it was addressed to me I feel I have to clear something. There is too much flawed reasoning in you statement. Shanks is indeed slightly stronger than an admiral. However take into account that his power also takes into account his advanced haki.

Mihawk the worlds strongest man sort out Shanks to fight him. He has the better technique and great finesse that exceeds that of all other swordsman. But with advanced haki and great deal of strength Shanks an unrefined swordsman per say could keep up with Mihawk. Strictly speaking as swordsman Mihawk is the better man but on in overall Shanks > Mihawk.

With that said I will say here that Mihawk is an admiral level fighter in that he can give a good fight but a wins is a stretch.
Well, I don't think winning against a marine admiral would be too much of a stretch. Any fighter strong enough to combat Shanks on more or less equal ground repeatedly, should be able to come out victorious against a marine admiral with great difficulty.
 

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Well, I don't think winning against a marine admiral would be too much of a stretch. Any fighter strong enough to combat Shanks on more or less equal ground repeatedly, should be able to come out victorious against a marine admiral with great difficulty.
That was 12 years ago. To give you a comparison during the East Blue saga Zoro and Luffy were on a near equal standing. Once they crossed into the GL and Luffy started taking way stronger opponents that gap widen fast. Look at their relative strength after one year. Tell me what happens after 12?
 

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I expect DD's bounty to raise a lot after this if he makes it alive. It should be at least 400 millions imo after all the damage he's done.
 

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I expect DD's bounty to raise a lot after this if he makes it alive. It should be at least 400 millions imo after all the damage he's done.
If he'll make it out alive. I think that DD will be killed one way or another after his defeat against Luffy.
 

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If he'll make it out alive. I think that DD will be killed one way or another after his defeat against Luffy.
Apparently Oda doesn't like to kill off characters, and when he does it's mostly for something really significant. And I noticed most characters that die in OP are good guys, so maybe even a monster like DD could make it out alive.
His original bounty was 340 millions, so it would be nice if it got above 400 mil, maybe even double that amount.
 

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Apparently Oda doesn't like to kill off characters, and when he does it's mostly for something really significant. And I noticed most characters that die in OP are good guys, so maybe even a monster like DD could make it out alive.
His original bounty was 340 millions, so it would be nice if it got above 400 mil, maybe even double that amount.
But there are ruthless names that are aiming for his head after this arc is over. One is Kaido, the other are the Celestial Dragons, and lastly is Dragon.
 
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