Bartholomew and Bartolomeo

TitaniumOxide · Aug 15, 2013

I am just going to make a wild guess and say the cannibal is a revolutionary just like the tyrant. Im pretty sure some of the people who frequent this site have thought of this too. Luffy wouldn't take not of this guy without oda using that as some kind of foreshadowing. Plus they are both probably named after people from history but their name and pronunciation is similar. I know this really enough to justify the connection but I hope this prediction is true because we seriously need to meet and know more about the revolutionaries and I think bartolomeo being one can really give some good plot developments (maybe not during the main part of this arc but towards the end hes somehow revealed to be a revolutionary).

REN KOUEN · Aug 15, 2013

that would be sick if bartolomeo was actually a revolutionary

but i dont see how you made that connection....

Anduren · Aug 15, 2013

Now that you mention it, Bartolomeo the Canibal could be Bartholomew Kuma's son. There's no real apparent connection except maybe like Monkey D. Luffy is Monkey D. Dragon's son. But I see the names are spelled slightly differently in translations so I dunno if it's intended to be different or not.

But if he was Kuma's son, it'd explain why he would hate Luffy even though they have never met. A lot of stuff that hasn't even been revealed yet about Kuma affects Luffy's and Dragon's past and has been hinted at a lot (Ivankov's conversation with Dragon, Kuma's desire to protect the Thousand Sunny over the time skip, etc.) If this turns out to be true, then it would be a way to reintroduce Kuma's past into the story.

It was mentioned that Kuma the Tyrant was a fearsome pirate back in the day; but even in Luffy's flashback, he was shown as a Revolutionary. So it's not clear if he was a pirate before he was a revolutionary or after.

Razh · Aug 25, 2013

Anduren said:
It was mentioned that Kuma the Tyrant was a fearsome pirate back in the day; but even in Luffy's flashback, he was shown as a Revolutionary. So it's not clear if he was a pirate before he was a revolutionary or after.

I think he was a revolutionary from the start, then pretended to be a pirate in order to get noticed by WG so he can infiltrate it as one of Shichibukai.

It's not the first time some similar names appeared in OP. Connecting them via a name alone is nothing more than a shot in the dark. Could be a double-con by Oda, though.

danzouismadara · Aug 27, 2013

nope I highly doubt it. But I have a crazy feeling that barto is related to the bandits that raised luffy and ace.

darth volcaniz · Sep 8, 2013

so now we know more about bartolomeo's background. . . who else thought that was epic the way he described the events at logue town?

BetaRuler · Sep 9, 2013

I think it was a nice refresher of his past, moments like that would have a powerful effect on anyone watching that! Of course the main characters of that chapter didn't think much of it because they were idiots. But for people watching like Barto, that would be like a seeing a sign from the heavens stopping Buggy from killing Luffy... Plus Luffy surviving a blast of lightning too. That whole scene was insane.

Regino · Sep 9, 2013

BetaRuler said:
I think it was a nice refresher of his past, moments like that would have a powerful effect on anyone watching that! Of course the main characters of that chapter didn't think much of it because they were idiots. But for people watching like Barto, that would be like a seeing a sign from the heavens stopping Buggy from killing Luffy... Plus Luffy surviving a blast of lightning too. That whole scene was insane.

Correct me if Iam wrong, but I think even Smoker was stunned by the way how Luffy survived that day in Logue Town and I think Smoker is a "little" bit more intelligent than Barto

KungPaoChicken · Sep 12, 2013

Speaking of all the revolutionary talk. When the hell is Luffys dad comming in play. :-_-

Blanka · Sep 26, 2013

Bart is a famous pirate name, so I think it was used again in another language to be piratey, but not sound affiliated to Kuma.
If two characters are named John and Johan you would not think them familial.

kashmiri786 · Sep 30, 2013

I wouldn't be surprised if more revolutionaries start popping up; its about time story progressed in that direction a little more.

Anduren said:
But if he was Kuma's son, it'd explain why he would hate Luffy even though they have never met.

What makes you say he hates him? As far as the manga has shown his like Luffy's number one fan. He even sliced that guys tongue of for mocking Luffy for not being able to save his brother Ace. Besides Kuma never hated Luffy either if anything he tried to protect him and his crew just because of his loyalty to Monkey D Dragon.

BetaRuler said:
I think it was a nice refresher of his past, moments like that would have a powerful effect on anyone watching that! Of course the main characters of that chapter didn't think much of it because they were idiots. But for people watching like Barto, that would be like a seeing a sign from the heavens stopping Buggy from killing Luffy... Plus Luffy surviving a blast of lightning too. That whole scene was insane.

I agree it was insane but bare in mind Luffy would not die from lightening as he is a rubber-man just like when he gets hit and shot at (no affect).

Razh · Sep 30, 2013

kashmiri786 said:
What makes you say he hates him? As far as the manga has shown his like Luffy's number one fan. He even sliced that guys tongue of for mocking Luffy for not being able to save his brother Ace. Besides Kuma never hated Luffy either if anything he tried to protect him and his crew just because of his loyalty to Monkey D Dragon.

Check the date, it was before anybody knew Trolomeo was Luffy's #1 fan.

Anduren · Sep 30, 2013

kashmiri786 said:
What makes you say he hates him? As far as the manga has shown his like Luffy's number one fan. He even sliced that guys tongue of for mocking Luffy for not being able to save his brother Ace. Besides Kuma never hated Luffy either if anything he tried to protect him and his crew just because of his loyalty to Monkey D Dragon.

The key word there was "would" since back then it wasn't very clear whether he was strongly for or against Luffy :^_^

. I guess since Bart's background as a former mafia guy who started to admire Luffy after that incident is revealed now, there isn't much more to say about all the speculation that used to go on back then.