Akainu VS Kizaru

[MBVC]

Ch554 pg2, he fought Marco in the air. Besides, if you still remember Lucci and other vice admirals could stand in the air, I suspect Akainu can do that too but he can't attack freely as he wants because magma base isn't good for fighting in the air.

 

[kkck]

I don't think that was actually flying, at most oda taking some liberties with the fight. There was no indication of kizaru using gepou and so far there is no indication that akainu can use that either. That said, I don't think akainu would have any problems with his abilities if he could use geppou. I mean, the point is standing on air, if he could use the technique then it would be basically the same as if he was on the ground hopping.

 

[7pac]

Kizaru is overated much. I think Akainu takes this.

 

[MBVC]

I don't think that was actually flying, at most oda taking some liberties with the fight. There was no indication of kizaru using gepou and so far there is no indication that akainu can use that either. That said, I don't think akainu would have any problems with his abilities if he could use geppou. I mean, the point is standing on air, if he could use the technique then it would be basically the same as if he was on the ground hopping.

1) Aokiji used it several times: freezing tsunami waves in mid air and disappearing behind the wall after talking with Robin

2) Your basic assumption is wrong: light doesn't have mass hence it doesn't fall; on the other hand magma is quite heavy

That page showed Kizaru stood still in the air waiting for Marco came to attack then the talked about the other faking wound and finally Marco sent him flying down the ground.

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Kizaru is overated much. I think Akainu takes this.

Akainu is the most powerful fighter on land but he can't do anything if Kizaru chooses not to fight. I agree that Akainu is the champion in the game of destruction/damage each other but in term of efficient Kizaru is the best one in the entire Marine.


It's not right if Eneru can fly but Kizaru can't.

 

[takneeque]

i would say akainu is stronger than kizaru.in a one on one fight,akainu would beat kizaru.

 

[7pac]

1) Aokiji used it several times: freezing tsunami waves in mid air and disappearing behind the wall after talking with Robin

2) Your basic assumption is wrong: light doesn't have mass hence it doesn't fall; on the other hand magma is quite heavy

That page showed Kizaru stood still in the air waiting for Marco came to attack then the talked about the other faking wound and finally Marco sent him flying down the ground.

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Akainu is the most powerful fighter on land but he can't do anything if Kizaru chooses not to fight. I agree that Akainu is the champion in the game of destruction/damage each other but in term of efficient Kizaru is the best one in the entire Marine.


It's not right if Eneru can fly but Kizaru can't.

This doesn't make any sense. it's obviously a fight. Let's pretend instead of aokiji nominated it was kizaru, and akainu objected and both of them fought it out.

 

[Ninomiya]

This doesn't make any sense. it's obviously a fight. Let's pretend instead of aokiji nominated it was kizaru, and akainu objected and both of them fought it out.

Well, due to Kizaru's laziness, and laid-back attitude he would be an awful candidate for Fleet Admiral.
But in terms of strength, Kizaru ticks all of the boxes.
In a fight, I believe they would engage in a fight that lasts however many days the fight between Aokiji and Akainu lasted.

There isn't anything to suggest Kizaru was weaker than the others.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Kizaru was not even in the run for fleet admiral so I would go for akainu. Its not like strenght is not a factor here considering the whole thing ended up being settled literally by a fight. Kizaru's only appears to have the stronger fruit however the whole thing in context does not really work that way. If "lightspeed" was in any way relevant or even a thing then kizaru would be stronger than the entire military might of the world combined. Yet that is not the case and even an old man like rayleigh could keep him at bay. I would think the whole fleet admiral situation implies kizaru was the least of the admirals otherwise he would have been on the run at least.

i was thinking that was because kizaru was getting up there in age, he is a good bit older than akainu and aiokoji

so perhaps he wasnt in the running because they wanted someone younger who would be around for a while to take over

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i would say akainu is stronger than kizaru.in a one on one fight,akainu would beat kizaru.

kizaru is faster though

i beleive it would come down to who is more proficient with haki use

 

[7pac]

Well, due to Kizaru's laziness, and laid-back attitude he would be an awful candidate for Fleet Admiral.
But in terms of strength, Kizaru ticks all of the boxes.
In a fight, I believe they would engage in a fight that lasts however many days the fight between Aokiji and Akainu lasted.

There isn't anything to suggest Kizaru was weaker than the others.

For the sake of god, he is a marine admiral, so of course he's gonna be the strongest around. In my opinion, I think Akainu would win in a fight, and that's that.
But I just don't understand why everyone literally considers him a god. He is almost more hyped then Shanks...

 

[kkck]

If the wiki is to be trusted then the ages are 58 for kizaru, 49 for aojiki and 55 for akainu. Its true kizaru is the oldest one there however I don't think the 3 years he has over akainu would be enough to deem akainu the youthful one there. And even then, if such a thing was a factor then aokiji would have been the only choice. Also worth noting, sengoku made it as fleet admiral into his 70s and even then he was the one who quit, he could perhaps still easily hold the position otherwise. Continuity is without a doubt important for such a position but I doubt it necessarily has to be a 20 year plan so to speak.

I also doubt a fight between the two would some down to haki mastery. To begin with at this point we should just assume all admirals are proficient at it. The difference in haki skill would have to be gargantuan for it to be defining aspect IMO. Just look at law, 2 years ago he probably didn't even know what haki was and not to long ago he defeated vergo, the single most proficient haki user we have seen go all out yet (no one has ever done a full body haki hardening so far).

I still don't think kizaru's speed is that much of a defining factor here. IMO the whole speed thing between him and akainu would end up playing pretty much the same way as it did between him and rayleigh. Kizaru is by no means lightspeedblitzing anyone, what little we have seen already outright denies that such a thing could work on someone of roughly his level.

 

[MBVC]

^ Disagreed, Luffy vs Hancock's sisters: both of them were too slow to react to gear 2, it they fought Eneru they would lost 100%. This case also applies to Kizaru, have you ever thought Kizaru didn't use all his strength when he fought Rayleigh? He just dragged on and on until those PX machines eliminated the SH one after another, he only needed to hold off Rayleigh at bay in order to prevent any rescuing from the old man.

Kizaru wasn't serious when he tried to kill Zoro either, he wasted a lot of time talking and showing off his power until Rayleigh showed up, the proof is how fast he took out XDrake, Zoro wouldn't have any time dodging his attack.

 

[kkck]

What does luffy vs the sisters have to do with anything?

There is no reason or context for us to think either of them held back though. As far as kizary knew he was going up against the first mate of the roger pirates. As far as rayleigh knew he was up against an admiral. What exactly suggests they were holding back?

Of course he was serious... Why would kizaru spare zoro? That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[danzouismadara]

Ive always thought kizaru was the strongest. That speed is super dangerous and his ability is destructive as well. Plus can't light be hotter then magma? like light in space?

 

[7pac]

Ive always thought kizaru was the strongest. That speed is super dangerous and his ability is destructive as well. Plus can't light be hotter then magma? like light in space?

no light itself is not hot because it holds no mass, I think. But the warmth we have comes from the sun, which is an object with mass.

Magma is 1300 °C , Lightening is somewhere between 30 000 and 50 000 almost 6 or 10 times respectively the "hotness" of the sun.
I still find the whole thing with lightening hotness weird since, there are records of people being hit by lightening and surviving, so not sure how that works out...

Edit: btw the 5k C of the sun is only the crust, It goes up to million degrees i believe in the core.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

Real life physics do not apply in the OP world, since their physics are different. Except the very basic Magma>Ice Fire>Ice Magma>Fire. I'm not sure where the Goru Goru no Mi and the Pika Pika no Mi rank though.

 

[7pac]

Real life physics do not apply in the OP world, since their physics are different. Except the very basic Magma>Ice Fire>Ice Magma>Fire. I'm not sure where the Goru Goru no Mi and the Pika Pika no Mi rank though.

Hey about what you just said, am I the only one that think most logias have a correlation between a weaker and a stronger version?

Magma> Fire
Ice> Snow
Gas> Smoke
??(slime?)??> Swamp
Lightening> Light
?????>Sand

Yami is a stand alone since it's not even a normal logia.


This oda guy is so tricky! XD

 

[TheLuffySmile]

Hey about what you just said, am I the only one that think most logias have a correlation between a weaker and a stronger version?

Magma> Fire
Ice> Snow
Gas> Smoke
??(slime?)??> Swamp
Lightening> Light
?????>Sand

Yami is a stand alone since it's not even a normal logia.


This oda guy is so tricky! XD

Yeah some fruits are able to overpower others, just like you said. I do wonder how lightning would fair against light.

 

[7pac]

Yeah i wasn't too sure about that one.
but since there is light and ligthening, I just assumed the longer one is the more complex or the one above ahahahha

 

[KingOfNight]

Real life physics do not apply in the OP world, since their physics are different. Except the very basic Magma>Ice Fire>Ice Magma>Fire. I'm not sure where the Goru Goru no Mi and the Pika Pika no Mi rank though.

I wouldn't really call it basic. Fire(depending on what you burn) can be much hotter than Magma. There was also that one time when I read an argument(which I don't remember a shred of now due to how complicated it was) that explained why Ice(Aokiji) should have defeated Magma(Akainu).

Oda doesn't really put much thought into these things, otherwise Luffy would've died against Enel.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

I wouldn't really call it basic. Fire(depending on what you burn) can be much hotter than Magma. There was also that one time when I read an argument(which I don't remember a shred of now due to how complicated it was) that explained why Ice(Aokiji) should have defeated Magma(Akainu).

Oda doesn't really put much thought into these things, otherwise Luffy would've died against Enel.

Alright, well at least in the OP verse Magma Magma no Mi> Mera Mera no Mi.