Akainu VS Kizaru

[7pac]

Alright, well at least in the OP verse Magma Magma no Mi> Mera Mera no Mi.

I wonder if ace lived, and developed his mastery on the fruit to a point were he could achieve blue or even white fire? would have been cool.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

I wonder if ace lived, and developed his mastery on the fruit to a point were he could achieve blue or even white fire? would have been cool.

Yeah! that would have been so awesome! His Entei was actually pretty close to white fire, compared to his other attacks: It was blazing white.

 

[MBVC]

What does luffy vs the sisters have to do with anything?

Of course he was serious... Why would kizaru spare zoro? That makes no sense whatsoever.

1) Since you said speed isn't important hence I gave you an explicit example


2) How long did it take Kizaru to eliminate XDrake? Then compare the process to Zoro in that situation.

 

[kkck]

1) Since you said speed isn't important hence I gave you an explicit example


2) How long did it take Kizaru to eliminate XDrake? Then compare the process to Zoro in that situation.

The point I made earlier was that speed was not going to be that much of a factor unless the difference in strength was that huge to begin with. Obviously luffy completely outclassed the sisters in terms of strength and fighting experience even if he did not have haki. My point was more in context with people who would be actually relevant to someone like kizaru. Lightspeed or not kizaru has yet to lightspeedblitz a single person who might pose a threat to him. Marco got the upperhand against him during their small confrontation and kizaru could not actually divert a second of his attention due to Rayleigh. The comparison between the sisters and luffy is absurd and pointless, there are no aspects of the fight which in any form or context are comparable to what kizaru can do. Kizaru's lightspeed will be as relevant against akainu as it has been against rayleigh, marco or any other relevant fighter we have seen that has been defeated that way. If lightspeed in this manga meant anything vaguely resembling the real life concept then kizaru would have destroyed every single pirate allied to WB ten times over in less than it takes a pirate to half blink. Yet, not only not a single relevant person has been blitz but kizaru has been repelled, a number of times even. Speed is not what is going to win him the battle against akainu anymore than it has won him fights against Rayliegh, marco or all the other commanders he didn't speedblitz during the war.

Drake is an absurd comparison. To begin with the guy would be fodder to people who would be fodder to kizaru. And obviously the context of the fight between kizaru and the supernova and the strawhats is different. Oda obviously added dramatic effect to the fight with zoro. And its not like for someone like kizaru it would require lightspeed to speedblitz toddlers like the supernova at that point. Who in the monster trio would hold a candle to kizaru today and would not outright murder 1000 supernova easily?

 

[MBVC]

Chill out dude, alright you win the argument over, no doubt about it, are you happy now?


Blah blah blah Kizaru is the weakest in the group etc.....

 

[jaymizzo]

Honestly, I don't think he wasn't nominated because he's inferior to his two partners. He's simply far too laid-back to be a Fleet Admiral. Hell, if he was anymore laid-back, he'd be horizontal...

As for the topic, I want to say Akainu would win, but just like the Law Vs Jinbi, I don't know how he would pull it off. So I'm really just gonna settle for a draw.

Kuzan is much more laid back than Kizaru IMO. The only thing Kizaru has over him is his tone of voice. And Kuzan has been associated with "Lazy Justice".

Also, the fact that people say that had Kizaru been more serious against Rayleigh it would have been different, you also have to consider the fact that Rayleigh wasn't serious either, he was simply just buying time. And he has been out of the game for quite some time.

I would say Akainu would most likely win in this scenario.

 

[FetherMan]

Most likely end in a draw like Aokiji and Akainu. However, we do know Aokiji was heavily damaged, based on the last OP Film, but what about Akainu?. I'm thinking, he was blinded or something serious like that.

Fujitora VS. Kizaru would be interesting.

 

[KingOfNight]

Kuzan is much more laid back than Kizaru IMO. The only thing Kizaru has over him is his tone of voice. And Kuzan has been associated with "Lazy Justice".

Aokiji is lazier, but he's much more serious than Kizaru. Again, you could see it in the war. Aokiji always becomes serious when the situation calls for it. Kizaru has never been serious...never.

 

[7pac]

Aokiji is lazier, but he's much more serious than Kizaru. Again, you could see it in the war. Aokiji always becomes serious when the situation calls for it. Kizaru has never been serious...never.

Sorry but I disagree, If he was as you say never serious, he would just be a moron, because someone that doesn't keep his guard up is just stupid, and will die sooner.
He is a goofy character, like a monkey, but by no means he is stupid, had he taken his guard down in the war he would have been killed, he wasn't fighting children, but experienced pirates, who would take the first advantage they found to kill him.
Also he is serious with his job, others wise he would not be a marine admiral...wtf? If he didn't give a fuck about anything as you say, he'd just go around roaming the seas. Being marine admiral does not just mean being strong. Every marine has convictions and beliefs for becoming a marine in the very first place, even thought Aokiji is a lazy character, he put his life on the lines for what he believed, and stood firm even against a camarade he probably spent over 20 years with in the same Organization.

Kizaru is goofy, but he is a serious person.

 

[KingOfNight]

Sorry but I disagree, If he was as you say never serious, he would just be a moron, because someone that doesn't keep his guard up is just stupid, and will die sooner.
He is a goofy character, like a monkey, but by no means he is stupid, had he taken his guard down in the war he would have been killed, he wasn't fighting children, but experienced pirates, who would take the first advantage they found to kill him.
Also he is serious with his job, others wise he would not be a marine admiral...wtf? If he didn't give a fuck about anything as you say, he'd just go around roaming the seas. Being marine admiral does not just mean being strong. Every marine has convictions and beliefs for becoming a marine in the very first place, even thought Aokiji is a lazy character, he put his life on the lines for what he believed, and stood firm even against a camarade he probably spent over 20 years with in the same Organization.

Kizaru is goofy, but he is a serious person.

It's more fun when someone disagrees.

It's not as though not being serious means letting you guard down, just not taking your job seriously. In this department, neither he or Aokiji are serious. He's just more laid back. This is not real life we're talking about, so even with his and Aokiji's laziness, they still became Admiral. Because they are powerful. If he was serious, he would've slaughtered Drake, Hawkins, Apoo, Urouge and Zoro. Instead, he took his sweet time and didn't really attack at full force. Just imagine if a really serious person like Akainu was there. Then, he for some random reason listened to Benn Beckman's threats and allowed the Heart Pirates to escape. The fact that he completely ignored Benn and attacked later when Akainu told him shows his non seriousness. As he had no reason to listen to Benn aside from trolling. Aokiji on the other hand, was quite serious in the whole war.

 

[7pac]

that doesn't make sense? If he wasn't serious he wouldn't have attacked/done his duty?

Also if I may with your Akainu example, Akainu would have killed them, but Aokiji Kizaru fujitora Sengoku and probably Garp, would not have.
On top of that Garp and maybe aoikiji would have even let them leave.

 

[KingOfNight]

that doesn't make sense? If he wasn't serious he wouldn't have attacked/done his duty?

Also if I may with your Akainu example, Akainu would have killed them, but Aokiji Kizaru fujitora Sengoku and probably Garp, would not have.
On top of that Garp and maybe aoikiji would have even let them leave.

What do you mean? He didn't do his duty...not properly at least. He could've done better if he put in more effort.

We don't know about Fujitora, he would've likely captured them if not kill them. Sengoku would also capture them.

Garp and Aokiji aren't doing their job properly so I'm not sure why you would mention them...

 

[7pac]

Fujitora and Sengoku would have captured them, not killed them, marines are not killers. They deliver justice, by capturing criminals.
Garp and Aokiji not doing that job is not that true, Aokiji really cares about justice, and justice done right, Pirates are just labelled criminals, but in reality, they are not criminals. Well most of them, Luffy never made a vandalic act throughout his voyage.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

Most of the pirates in OP are criminals and murderers, but a few pirate crew's like the SH's are different.

 

[kkck]

I think marines have the freedom to either capture or kill pirates. Perhaps their basic principle is capturing pirates however it doesn't seem they will bother asking questions if a marine kills his targets rather than capturing them unless of course the situation is too extreme. That said, wanted posters generally say "dead or alive" which is pretty suggestive to. Also worth noting, wasn't it said kizaru captured 200 or so pirates during the SA raid? The only ones that escaped were the supernova however that can't really be blamed on kizaru, he can't keep everyone captured and at the same time capture people.

 

[MBVC]

Sorry but I disagree, If he was as you say never serious, he would just be a moron, because someone that doesn't keep his guard up is just stupid, and will die sooner.
He is a goofy character, like a monkey, but by no means he is stupid, had he taken his guard down in the war he would have been killed, he wasn't fighting children, but experienced pirates, who would take the first advantage they found to kill him.
Also he is serious with his job, others wise he would not be a marine admiral...wtf? If he didn't give a fuck about anything as you say, he'd just go around roaming the seas. Being marine admiral does not just mean being strong. Every marine has convictions and beliefs for becoming a marine in the very first place, even thought Aokiji is a lazy character, he put his life on the lines for what he believed, and stood firm even against a camarade he probably spent over 20 years with in the same Organization.

Kizaru is goofy, but he is a serious person.

If you can recall how many chances that Kizaru didn't shoot Luffy in the head during the war, he also went soft on Buggy too, I never bought Buggy flying faster than Kizaru in the sky and somehow Kizaru missed Buggy head when he sent his light beam.

 

[KingOfNight]

Fujitora and Sengoku would have captured them, not killed them, marines are not killers. They deliver justice, by capturing criminals.
Garp and Aokiji not doing that job is not that true, Aokiji really cares about justice, and justice done right, Pirates are just labelled criminals, but in reality, they are not criminals. Well most of them, Luffy never made a vandalic act throughout his voyage.

Capture or kill doesn't really matter, the point is to stop the pirates. Remember, they are wanted DEAD OR ALIVE.

Pirates are 98% criminals. In fact, pirates like Luffy are by far the most dangerous pirates. Dreamers like him seek the One Piece, and if it's found, the whole world will be sunk in chaos. Even Aokiji stated that he has dealt with pirates his whole life, but thinking about the future of the Straw Hat crew "scares the shit out of him." And yet, he didn't really do anything to stop them.

Smoker is one of the few Marines actually doing his job properly.

 

[kkck]

If you can recall how many chances that Kizaru didn't shoot Luffy in the head during the war, he also went soft on Buggy too, I never bought Buggy flying faster than Kizaru in the sky and somehow Kizaru missed Buggy head when he sent his light beam.

At least during the war kizaru was pretty busy with far more relevant people than luffy though. Luffy there was actually the least of his concerns altogether, he was a rookie with no real power to speak of. As for kizaru, why couldn't he have just missed? He was actually pretty far away from him. If it was aokiji I could buy him missing on purpose considering his position had at times already been implied to not be necessarily 100% with the world government but the manga has never actually hinted at kizaru's loyalties being anything but unquestionable.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

i seriously dont see how akainu could beat kizaru... Kizaru's DF is so much more hax

 

[MBVC]

At least during the war kizaru was pretty busy with far more relevant people than luffy though. Luffy there was actually the least of his concerns altogether, he was a rookie with no real power to speak of. As for kizaru, why couldn't he have just missed? He was actually pretty far away from him. If it was aokiji I could buy him missing on purpose considering his position had at times already been implied to not be necessarily 100% with the world government but the manga has never actually hinted at kizaru's loyalties being anything but unquestionable.

Luffy's head vs small key, which one is bigger?