Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2013-2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Kaizou 10]

The pacing for this arc is going all kinds of directions, my expectations are indeed that it'll end in 2014.

The captains are fighting back with their bankai's, after those fights you have a main fight or two, including Ichigo's, some jibber-jabber about the plot and.. the
end?

Nah, I don't think so. By looking at Kubo's writing style, there still going to be bunch of fighting and he most likely going to introduce more stronger guys. Even there is high possibility that Ichigo and others go to the emperor's palace(?) which easily can take like at least one year.

Furthermore, the first part(?) of final arc has lasted like one and a half year and there is a high possibility that the second part going to last even longer than that. In addition, it is still first day of the nine days battle and look at the pace right now.

Bleach definitely going to stick around for another couple of years.

 

[Lehran]

Looking at all the stable series at WSJ we have at the moment and the years they started, we have:

2013: WT, SC, Isobe

You have a lot of interesting points in your post, but I think this is what is questionable. I agree that, if we count those three series as stable, then Jump is completely "full" and there would be no chance for upcoming series. But I think they're definitely not stable. World Trigger has somewhat good sales and ToC positions but its future is still uncertain; it can grow and become a hit but it can also be just another Enigma/Kurogane/Hokenshitsu/Magico. Soul Catcher(s) has unimpressive ToC positions (it just got a bit better recently) and its sales are also just decent; I can't see this one becoming a long-term hit, I think its highly improbable for it to survive 2014 (actually I think it only survived because all series that began after it until now got terrible reception) And Isobe... I think it's still soon to assume it has some sort of "special protection" (actually I still didn't get why people are assuming that); I hope it becomes a new Jaguar (IIRC Jaguar was like a short-page bonus at the end of the magazine, right?)

What I mean is: if there are good new manga in 2014, they could easily "take down" SC and Isobe (and possibly even WT). That, plus Naruto's probable end, would make 3-4 "spots" to be filled by upcoming series. Whether I'm being too optimistic or you guys are being too pessimistic, only time will tell.

 

[Kaizou 10]

You have a lot of interesting points in your post, but I think this is what is questionable. I agree that, if we count those three series as stable, then Jump is completely "full" and there would be no chance for upcoming series. But I think they're definitely not stable. World Trigger has somewhat good sales and ToC positions but its future is still uncertain; it can grow and become a hit but it can also be just another Enigma/Kurogane/Hokenshitsu/Magico. Soul Catcher(s) has unimpressive ToC positions (it just got a bit better recently) and its sales are also just decent; I can't see this one becoming a long-term hit, I think its highly improbable for it to survive 2014 (actually I think it only survived because all series that began after it until now got terrible reception) And Isobe... I think it's still soon to assume it has some sort of "special protection" (actually I still didn't get why people are assuming that); I hope it becomes a new Jaguar (IIRC Jaguar was like a short-page bonus at the end of the magazine, right?)

What I mean is: if there are good new manga in 2014, they could easily "take down" SC and Isobe (and possibly even WT). That, plus Naruto's probable end, would make 3-4 "spots" to be filled by upcoming series. Whether I'm being too optimistic or you guys are being too pessimistic, only time will tell.

I don't think so. WT and SC (not sure about Isobe) are have four cushions right now; they are not near the bottom 5, they are around middle right now which means there are more series which doing worse than those two. Thus, WT and SC are currently in good flow right now and it'll be difficult to break their current flow.

So, I think it'll be very difficult to "take down" SC adn WT. The only way for 2014 series to get some light is the old series have to end.

Furthermore, the main reason for 2012 series and some of 2013 series able to stick around is that old series has ended. Like since 2012, old series (such as Bakuman, Nuarihyon no Mago, Reborn, Sket Dance, and Medaka Box) have ended and they made extra spaces for 2012 and 2013 series, that's why.

I think by looking at the current state, I think there is possibility that 2014 going to become another 2010, unless some old series going to make room for new generation.

 

[101nemesis]

While I agree that Bleach's pacing has increased a bit, that doesn't imply it will end anytime soon. There are wayyyy too many things that Kubo needs to show, which he hinted on earlier in this arc itself. Here are the list of people who have to be given more screen time or need to still enter the fight.

Spoiler

The soul King, the zero squad finally fighting, Ganju and the fullbringers, Isshin, yourichi, Byakuya renji rukia, Grimmijov, Urahara, Orihime, Chad, nel, Ryuuken and Uryuu

Those are just from the top of my head The captains themselves are taking 4-5 chapters each fight, individually. There would also be some big twist with Uryuu when Ichigo meets him. That's a given.
Bleach definitely ain't ending soon. Maybe early or mid 2015.

I don't see Naruto going for more than 20 chapters now. It's definitely near the climax of its story.

About WT's anime. I believe, if the series can maintain the current ranking for another year and sales increase to at least 100-130k a volume, then it would get an anime adaptation. Otherwise, it'd be a gamble for WSJ.

 

[k-dom]

The old series ending did not make space for new series. It's the new series hit that put an end to series which were not popular anymore.
From the 5 only Bakuman and Sket Dance had natural endings the other 3 were forced to end. Unfortunately if things continue Beelzebub could encounter such a fate.

 

[Stark700]

From the 5 only Bakuman and Sket Dance had natural endings the other 3 were forced to end. Unfortunately if things continue Beelzebub could encounter such a fate.

Medaka Box's ending felt pretty natural.

 

[Schabrak]

So is Bleach? The only reason I see Bleach continuing outside of '14 is if they decide to not end two of their biggest series around the same time.

And Naruto's plot stops, Bleach could stretch it out, Kubo's good with that.

Naruto is facing the last opponent, Bleach just started the second phase of the war with a dozen topics/questions/plotlines to still clear up.

Before this arc started it was already confirmed that it will be the longest arc and the Arrancar arc took 5 years...

I know, it's weird when people try to argue against Kubo's own statement. Author's opinion > readers in this matter.

 

[k-dom]

Medaka Box's ending felt pretty natural.

Maybe but it still ended because of its ranks. The fact that it was an old serie allowed it to have a better treatment than a 20 chapter one but I'm pretty sure it would have continued if it was more popular.

 

[ReiWen]

Naruto is facing the last opponent, Bleach just started the second phase of the war with a dozen topics/questions/plotlines to still clear up.

Yeah Bleach isn't ending soon at all. There's like 15 captain level shinigami who still need to show their full power.... This alone will take around 1,5 year. As you said there is a whole lot of plotlines that need some love with the Soul King and the wars from 1000 and 200 wars ago.... Before this arc started it was already confirmed that it will be the longest arc and the Arrancar arc took 5 years... This one is only 2 years old... What wee seen right now can't be even the final battle... it's just round 2 of the battle. Round 3 or maybe even 4 will be the final battle.... We will still have to see flashbacks of most characters.... There also the fact that at the begining of Bleach it was already said that the protogonist and the curent antagonist need to learn how to coexist together and this will happen so fighting won't be the only thing in this arc...

 

[Koen]

Maybe but it still ended because of its ranks. The fact that it was an old serie allowed it to have a better treatment than a 20 chapter one but I'm pretty sure it would have continued if it was more popular.

It was a natural ending considering a lot of wsj series' ending

And I would not be surprised if the mangaka duo decided to end it. Nowadays everyone equals ending with editorial department's decision. But this not necesarrily the case. While reading Medaka Box you could clearly feel that the manga was running out of ideas, it is perfectly possible that both authors decided to stop it

 

[DestyNova4th]

From what I can tell, the closest of the stable 16 series people seem to agree are about to finish soon are Naruto, Bleach Kuroko no Basket and Beelzebub, but I don't think it's going to happen within the next few months.

It's in their last match, should finish in 2014

Also, although Nisekoi is popular, the rom-com usually aren't very long, it might end after the anime (but I don't think this will happen, is only a possibility). And Saiki Kusuo could be displaced by Isobe Isobee, or just finish because it is a gag manga.

 

[Leoat12]

Two series is near of the end in my opinion: Naruto and Beelzebub.
Naruto is in its climax, next year it must end, except if Kishimoto invent something, which is probable knowing him. Beelzebub current arc seems so much a final arc.

 

[101nemesis]

Two series is near of the end in my opinion: Naruto and Beelzebub.
Naruto is in its climax, next year it must end, except if Kishimoto invent something, which is probable knowing him. Beelzebub current arc seems so much a final arc.

If Naruto does not end with this, it will lose a lot more fans. It will basically be what Bleach became after the Aizen fight. But I doubt Kishimoto will extend it.

 

[SharkBait]

While I agree that Bleach's pacing has increased a bit, that doesn't imply it will end anytime soon. There are wayyyy too many things that Kubo needs to show, which he hinted on earlier in this arc itself. Here are the list of people who have to be given more screen time or need to still enter the fight.

Spoiler

The soul King, the zero squad finally fighting, Ganju and the fullbringers, Isshin, yourichi, Byakuya renji rukia, Grimmijov, Urahara, Orihime, Chad, nel, Ryuuken and Uryuu

Those are just from the top of my head The captains themselves are taking 4-5 chapters each fight, individually. There would also be some big twist with Uryuu when Ichigo meets him. That's a given.
Bleach definitely ain't ending soon. Maybe early or mid 2015.

I don't see Naruto going for more than 20 chapters now. It's definitely near the climax of its story.

About WT's anime. I believe, if the series can maintain the current ranking for another year and sales increase to at least 100-130k a volume, then it would get an anime adaptation. Otherwise, it'd be a gamble for WSJ.

The captain fights in the fullbring arc were extremely short and I think the same will be experienced in this arc especially since powerups were handed out like lemonade on a hot summer day. I dont think we should operate under the belief that every loose end will be tied up, yoruichi has little relevance here the same for soul king who was forgotten and displays no connection with the plot at hand. To extend for years would only be possible if a new entity appeared and that honestly doesnt fit in anywhere based on the plot.

 

[Stark700]

Maybe but it still ended because of its ranks. The fact that it was an old serie allowed it to have a better treatment than a 20 chapter one but I'm pretty sure it would have continued if it was more popular.

That's quite presumptuous. No one can say that for certain.

It was a natural ending considering a lot of wsj series' ending

And I would not be surprised if the mangaka duo decided to end it. Nowadays everyone equals ending with editorial department's decision. But this not necesarrily the case. While reading Medaka Box you could clearly feel that the manga was running out of ideas, it is perfectly possible that both authors decided to stop it

I mean, what would happen next? Medaka would fight aliens and gods? Rofl. There really weren't too many logical directions that the manga could have taken that just wouldn't have gone past pure absurdity.

 

[101nemesis]

Wonder who jump would promote as its 2nd manga once Naruto ends. Kuroko? AC?

The captain fights in the fullbring arc were extremely short and I think the same will be experienced in this arc especially since powerups were handed out like lemonade on a hot summer day. I dont think we should operate under the belief that every loose end will be tied up, yoruichi has little relevance here the same for soul king who was forgotten and displays no connection with the plot at hand. To extend for years would only be possible if a new entity appeared and that honestly doesnt fit in anywhere based on the plot.

The fullbring arc got over so fast because of how much stronger the captains were when compared to the fullbringers. It was the arc after the time skip. Kubo basically got most of the captains defeating the fullbringers in 1 or 2 blows (Kenpachi, Ikkaku, Toshiro, Renji). The only people who had fights of some length were Byakuya and Ichigo because they were fighting the actual main villains. However, so far every fight since the hiatus has been at least 3 - 4 chapters long. And they aren't even done yet. So the fullbring arc was not a good comparison.

While Yourichi's role may be irrelevant, she is still a significant fighting force in bleach. Seeing how Soi Fon's character is down now, she might appear. I mean, if Ganju can be tipped to show up in this arc, then she definitely has a bigger role.

And about the soul king, the enemy will not win this battle without beating the Zero squad and the Soul king. So yeah, he would have a big priority. He may not fight but he would appear at one point for certain. It could be before a twist or after some twist. Then we most certainly would get a flashback on how the enemy leader survived 1000 years ago.
Also, I ain't saying that EVERY captain and character would get the same screen time but there are those who would much more than the rest. We still have vice captains like Hisagi who are relevant in the universe.
Of course every loose end won't be fixed but I believe that Kubo had stated he would explain everything.

 

[Xadyu]

Wonder who jump would promote as its 2nd manga once Naruto ends. Kuroko? AC?

Toriko replaced Bleach, so I guess it'll shove ahead and take Naruto's spot. I doubt AC has the life expectancy to be one of it's main flagship series.

As far as I recall those have always been adventure/action series, but... since they don't have any other big series like that..
They can't count on HxH and Beelzebub/Gintama have a specific audience.. Not sure how Kuroko's manga is doing or where it's at, but a sports series seems a valid choice for a spot in the 'new big 3'

 

[Leoat12]

Wonder who jump would promote as its 2nd manga once Naruto ends. Kuroko? AC?

None of them. Shokugeki is more likely in my opinion.
Kuroko probably reached its maximum popularity after two anime seasons, I don't think that it can be more popular than what it is now. Regarding AC, it's a short series since the begining, it sells well as we can see, but it is not the best substitute for Naruto.
Shokugeki no Soma, on the other hand, already sells 200k without an anime and with only one year of serialization. With an anime it can have a boom of popularity and reach huge sales. Also, it has potential to become a long series.

One Piece, Toriko and Shokugeki no Soma will be the top in the future IMO.

 

[Xadyu]

I have a question about vomic's though, I never particularly looked into vomic news, stats etc.

How popular are vomic's in Japan? And how do those influence the series?

 

[Kaiten]

If Naruto does not end with this, it will lose a lot more fans. It will basically be what Bleach became after the Aizen fight. But I doubt Kishimoto will extend it.

I don't think it's that simplistic. Jump does not need an ordered, hierarchical list of popular series. Different series are promoted different audiences. Even if it does not have the mass appeal of One Piece or Naruto, Toriko is popular with action fans. Nisekoi is popular bishoujo fans. Kuroko is a popular sport series, popular with women. And so on. All of the popular current series fit into a marketable niche, popular with a s specific, and desirable audience. None are likely to have the mass appeal of One Piece, but most manga usually don't.