Discussion Secret behind Blackbeard's dual DFs?

[Ero-Sanji]

Well, I saw also "probably" as translation.

Luffy tells to Nami that it's not "he" but "them", and Zoro says "probably"/"maybe".

Don't know in what universe Luffy and Zoro had ability to scan other people's bodies.
What they do have are instincts and experience regarding people and pirates. End of Jaya arc specifically shows us what they meant, when Blackbeard pirates were first introduced. Until that moment, nobody knew what the hell they were talking about, but at that moment, it becomes clear. And there isn't any other reference to what Luffy and Zoro were talking about to this day.

I wish people dropped it and gave up already.

Well, first of all nobody is talking about scanning other people's bodies, others have pointed at the same thing you do intuition, instinct etc. Like how Luffy instantly knew which clone was the real one regarding Mr. 3. There's have been a lot of instances like this, call it aura-scanning instead.

Second, Zoro is the one to say "It's them/they... maybe/probably". Nami asks: "who is "he"", Luffy answers: "Dunno but it isn't "he"", to which Nami answers "If not he, then... what?". After Zoro's answer she makes the assumption through a question that perhaps he has companions, they don't answer.

However her question was about the identification of BB, why would/should Luffy and Zoro answer her with the fact hat he has companions and refuse to answer her when she asks them of the possibility that he has companions?

To me that's odd behavior, could be lazy writing, but it just seem too good to be true and that the companion road is a red herring.A red herring that is brought to life when other are beginning to talk about his body. There are a lot of references regarding the state of his body and his flag and his ability to sustain more than one DF suggests that something isn't right with it.

 

[BurnSchulz]

Maybe Blackbeard can, through his Yami Yami no mi, get DF Powers of Devil Fruits he touches for a certain ammount of time.
So what he does: He somewhat knew that if a DF User dies, the possibly next Fuit nearby will change to a DF with that exact power.
So maybe he brought a Fruit with him and hid under that Black carpet untill the Gura Gura Power got to that Fruit. Then he touched and kept th Fruit hidden and howed the Maries that he can now punch with the Gura ura power.
Now he still has the Gura Gura no mi hidden and when he needs to use it he touches it again and contains its power for a certain ammount of time.
Thats where the Mera Mera no mi would also come in handy, he could us Aces Mera Power if he wants to if he gets the frui and touches it when he needs it.
Maybe temporarily absorbing DF Powers from the DFs is a secret abiliy of the Yami Yami no mi

 

[sameel]

What if bb originally ate a fruit which allowed him to take on other powers? Like a copy no mi or absorb-your-df-no mi? Or a pseudo absorbing no mi. something which allows him to absorb another df? Or maybe a df no mi?

 

[KuroKarasu]

What if bb originally ate a fruit which allowed him to take on other powers? Like a copy no mi or absorb-your-df-no mi? Or a pseudo absorbing no mi. something which allows him to absorb another df? Or maybe a df no mi?

Well now it just gets absurd. Instead of the Yami Yami no Mi being the fruit that can extract fruits (which would fit perfectly) there is a THIRD fruit which has the power to absord fruits and BB even took the Yami Yami with his first fruit? That doesn't really make sense to me.

 

[Ero-Sanji]

@KuroKarasu and @Burnschulz

Imo, the fruit isn't what enables him to do what he can do, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense for him to a) hide whatever he did to WB and b) be the only one in the entire world to know such a thing.

I mean first of all he's the current holder of the fruit. No one will be able to do what he can do (if the fruit is the answer and solution) until the day he dies.

Second how come he's the only one to have figured out what the Yami Yami no Mi can do, if it can take someone else's power? I mean the information of the fruit was already in a book, possibly the same book that Sanji read. I do think the author(s), other readers, scholars and scientist ought to have some intel on the Yami Yami. At least enough to know about such major a thing.

To me the Yami Yami is just BB possessing the strongest logia, like he now possesses what might be the strongest paramecia. Also if it was the fruit solely why would Oda have Marco say what he did? BB is hiding something about his body and WB's talk about him not being a D has to do with it.

 

[Razh]

I think I remember talking about this in some other thread, but it's also possible he's a member of a different race. With all the long legs, long arms, dwarves, giants, fishmen, flying people, minkmen and others, who's to say there aren't any undiscovered ones. Or it's some special family trait.

I guess you'd have to see him with most of his clothes off to get what's so atypical about his build.

Btw, Whitebeard never said Blackbeard wasn't a D, just that he wasn't the kind of man Roger/Raftel was waiting for.

 

[sameel]

Well now it just gets absurd. Instead of the Yami Yami no Mi being the fruit that can extract fruits (which would fit perfectly) there is a THIRD fruit which has the power to absord fruits and BB even took the Yami Yami with his first fruit? That doesn't really make sense to me.

I think it makes more sense than bb taking in the fruit through his yami no mi.

 

[xitalisk]

It´s actually not that stupid to interpret it that way. We actually have 3 scenes in which there is a comment on BB´s body. First of all, we have the panel you are talking about, namely the panel after the incident in the bar against Bellamy. dacookester could be right of course that Luffy and Zoro were referring to a possible crew. Since BB had a grant speech about pirates and the new age, it is not that of a stretch to assume that he has companions. If this scene had been the only ambiguous one concerning BB, i would immediately agree that it was referring to the crew but now i have my doubts.
Marco´s comment on BB´s body for example does not have anything to do with BB´s fruit, so Avid´s opinion is probably wrong.

"For normal humans that would be the case - but as you know Teach is a little different - the makeup of his body is... atypical!" (official Viz translation)

Then there is the third scene that is pretty much always overlooked, mostly due to the fan translations and subs. Stephen at Viz, who is, among others, responsible for the official translation of One Piece into English, had great problems with Ace´s statement when he confronts BB on Banaro Island. The fan translators have translated it referring to BB´s age:

"You´ve lived twice as long as i have, there´s no way you don´t understand the situation"

Considering that BB was 38 years old at that point while Ace was 20, it is not that big of a stretch to think it refers to BB´s seniority over Ace. The thing is, the actual statement in Japanese is really ambiguous. It is almost impossible to translate it 100% accurately but if i had to, it would be something like this:

"You have lived twice the amount of lives i lived".

This can still refer to BB´s age of course, though there would be no reason for ambiguity if that were the case.

in the one piece green databook oda states The only way so far to figure out Blackbeard's mystery is to think about Ace's words regarding BB's age

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Maybe BB absorbed his identical twin at an embryonic stage, so technically he can eat 2 devil fruits, because he counts for 2 people

 

[M3J]

in the one piece green databook oda states The only way so far to figure out Blackbeard's mystery is to think about Ace's words regarding BB's age

It could also easily mean that Blackbeard was twice the age of Ace. Ace was 18-20, right? Blackbeard could have been between 36-40.

 

[tartaros38]

It could also easily mean that Blackbeard was twice the age of Ace. Ace was 18-20, right? Blackbeard could have been between 36-40.

If you pick out stuff than take all the text^^

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"You have lived twice the amount of lives i lived".
This can still refer to BB´s age of course, though there would be no reason for ambiguity if that were the case.
"

It was already said it can still be only refer to age difference. However way use this strange words/way to say it and if the other text is true

"in the one piece green databook oda states The only way so far to figure out Blackbeard's mystery is to think about Ace's words regarding BB's age "

either Oda lies (not much room for ambiguity in this statment) or there must be sth to find or build a theorie there. If not this really strange text it must be an other one in this not really long conversations that noone has noticed yet. I don t thing he talks somewere else about BB age ( don t be sure though/ maybe ID to Jimbey)

 

[xitalisk]

If you pick out stuff than take all the text^^

"
"You have lived twice the amount of lives i lived".
This can still refer to BB´s age of course, though there would be no reason for ambiguity if that were the case.
"

It was already said it can still be only refer to age difference. However way use this strange words/way to say it and if the other text is true

"in the one piece green databook oda states The only way so far to figure out Blackbeard's mystery is to think about Ace's words regarding BB's age "

either Oda lies (not much room for ambiguity in this statment) or there must be sth to find or build a theorie there. If not this really strange text it must be an other one in this not really long conversations that noone has noticed yet. I don t thing he talks somewere else about BB age ( don t be sure though/ maybe ID to Jimbey)

I Know its been doing my head in best idea ive come up with keep in mind its a wacky idea but ill try to explain my theory behind it.

The only way we know you can have multiple lives is the life life fruit what if in the 50 years brook was dead the fruit re grew sensing the owner hasent resurrected now blackbeard eats the life life fruit.

ok so far the likely hood of this is slim but hear me out,

then when he eats the darkness fruit he dies when he is resurrected his body still contained the darkness fruit.
but without a soul in the body the darkness absorbs the life life fruit,
so effectively the yami yami blackbeard gets a new fresh soul that is capable of absorbing the quake quake fruit.
and as for his jolly roger the 3 skulls could symbolize the original life life blackbeard,
the darkness blackbeard and the darkness/quake blackbeard.

the only theory Ive heard that makes scene to me is the wappol fission but if that is the case id say it
happened long before the time blackbeard attacks drum kingdom this is the only way it would make seance because marco states he has a strange body structure so this plus in the flashback when Ace is promoted to commander of the second division blackbeard looks pretty much the same just younger it would also explain why wappol ran away scared from
blackbeard if he had already overpowered him in the past

the main reason i dont like this theory is if wappol was knocked out or killed its safe to assume the fusion would ware off
if knocking out sugar dispels the hobby hobby fruit i doubt wappol fusion would stay in effect after he looses conciseness

side note. the databook also states that sabo is dead?

WRONG it only says the crossed out s in aces tattoo was for his late brother

Ace thought Sabo was dead at the time it doesnt flat out say he is dead as we have seen recently Sabo is in fact alive so
if Oda makes a flat out statement i think its safe to say its legit

---------- Post added at 08:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:49 PM ----------

I was reading through older chapters of One Piece, when I came across the chapter where Luffy and Zoro meet Blackbeard in Jaya and get attacked by Bellamy: http://www.mangareader.net/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.html

Reading through that for the first time, one probably didn't pay much attention to the fact that Zoro and Luffy correct Nami by saying that it's not "he", but "they". Could this in fact be a hint pointing at Blackbeard, somehow, being more than one person? This perhaps sounds absurd, but we're talking about the realm of One Piece where anything and everything seems possible (hell, we were introduced to living toys just now). The duality of Blackbeard could thus explain how he's able to have multiple Devil Fruits. It's not the first time we've been told of Blackbeard's abnormal body structure either..

Thoughts?

my original thoughts on this was that they were referring not to him or his crew but the other people around were all staring at them with a tense look on there faces http://www.mangareader.net/103-2332-13/one-piece/chapter-225.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2332-14/one-piece/chapter-225.html
not wanting to make another scene because they still needed to gather information they just quietly walk off

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I think him dying and be somehow resurrected makes sense, in regard to Ace's comment, but I doubt it has to do with a DF.It could be because BB's body is different like Marco said.What makes it different, I don't know, but he might have appeared to be dead, then he came back, like it happens sometimes in real life.

 

[xitalisk]

Yeah im not really convinced my theory is even close i just was hopeing to get people thinking about it XD

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Lol it sounds more convincing than my theory about him having absorbed his twin XD

 

[M3J]

If you pick out stuff than take all the text^^

"
"You have lived twice the amount of lives i lived".
This can still refer to BB´s age of course, though there would be no reason for ambiguity if that were the case.
"

It was already said it can still be only refer to age difference. However way use this strange words/way to say it and if the other text is true

"in the one piece green databook oda states The only way so far to figure out Blackbeard's mystery is to think about Ace's words regarding BB's age "

either Oda lies (not much room for ambiguity in this statment) or there must be sth to find or build a theorie there. If not this really strange text it must be an other one in this not really long conversations that noone has noticed yet. I don t thing he talks somewere else about BB age ( don t be sure though/ maybe ID to Jimbey)

Please, no databooks. People claimed databooks said Sabo was dead, yet we have him alive and people like hoeru so amusingly wrong. I'm not saying the theory could be wrong, but just that Ace could have meant Blackbeard is twice his age. It could go either way or both ways. Blackbeard could have lived more than one life, although it would be somewhat odd, or he could be two times Ace's age. Hell, he could have someone else's spirit in his body for all we know. It's too ambiguous to make out for now

 

[sameel]

Maybe its because of the D? It could be will of Demon. So maybe one fruit goes to bb and the other goes to the demon inside of him or something.

 

[kkck]

Did the databook really say sabo was dead?

ANyways, if the key is in ace's words then the implication would be that BB somehow is two people or has "lives". Maybe he is a WG experiment.

 

[M3J]

According to hoeru, it did say that. I never use databooks for plot information, just for attack or character information as databooks don't reveal everything in the manga, just what the manga has told us.

Could be, but the World Government didn't show signs of caring about Blackbeard until the war.

 

[sameel]

Did the databook really say sabo was dead?

ANyways, if the key is in ace's words then the implication would be that BB somehow is two people or has "lives". Maybe he is a WG experiment.

Speaking of lives....a cat has nine lives.