Discussion Secret behind Blackbeard's dual DFs?

[Schabrak]

Guys. Even though Blackbeard has NOTHING to do with this chapter I would still like to butt in.

Marco saying that his body is special can mean many things. As of now it only means that his body can ENDURE 2 devil fruits, not that his body is the reason that he can have two. The Yami-Yami no Mi sucks in everything. We could see vs. Ace that if he touches a DF friut user it temporarily sucks in the power. So to me it's obvious that he used the DF to extract the Gura-Gura. If it was just his body why wait so long for the Yami Yami? He could've killed ace and many more in their sleep and take their DF's in. The Yami-Yami is obviously the key and it fits perfectly since it sucks everything in.

I don't understand why people are theorizing about everything. Him being two persons, Zerberus and what not. I know it is Oda but still - the Yami-Yami is 99% the reason why he has two devil fruits.

He did wait for the strongest fruit to appear, the Mera Mera no Mi wasn't such, it wouldn't have given the best logia fruit possible in his opinion. It's explained in the very manga we are discussing here.

I don't understand how you can be 99% sure when you got 0% of evidence to back that opinion up.

 

[7pac]

The Yami Yami no mi, does not strike me as a very strong fruit.

Honestly in the tournament Black Beard won both Aokiji and Enel, and I just don't see that happening. Anyone with a good haki usage can wreck black beards shit.

Like Aokij can not use his fruit at all and fuck black beard, just with haki.

Imo The yami yami is what makes it all possible.

If he could have eaten any devil fruits, Wouldn't someone go for gura gura and some logia? If some one game me the choice, I'd go with a random logia over the yami yami.

 

[Schabrak]

One baseless statement after another.

I don't care what you would have chosen, that's not the point of this discussion.

 

[danzouismadara]

yami fruit PLUS his body being special. I think yami fruit allows you to have two fruits, but some individuals might not be able to handle it, and end up dying or having short live spans. Teach's body is quite tolerant to the effects--which is why he is a perfect host for the yami fruit.

 

[KuroKarasu]

yami fruit PLUS his body being special. I think yami fruit allows you to have two fruits, but some individuals might not be able to handle it, and end up dying or having short live spans. Teach's body is quite tolerant to the effects--which is why he is a perfect host for the yami fruit.

That's what I meant. If he see the Yami-Yami sucking in everything, then we see Whitebeard die and Blackbeard going in a mist of darkness and coming back out being able to use Whitebeards power then I don't doubt a second that the Yami-Yami is the reason.

Just to clarify though: Do I think that everybody would be capapble of having 2 DF's because of the Yami-Yami? No.

 

[7pac]

That's what I meant. If he see the Yami-Yami sucking in everything, then we see Whitebeard die and Blackbeard going in a mist of darkness and coming back out being able to use Whitebeards power then I don't doubt a second that the Yami-Yami is the reason.

Just to clarify though: Do I think that everybody would be capapble of having 2 DF's because of the Yami-Yami? No.

Ok exactly, we are getting somewhere.

So a handful of people could get a second devil fruit, however having the yami yami as their first fruit.

 

[Bellamy]

Extra fat gives you extra power, everyoby knows that, pft !

 

[faiz461]

i'm totally with the chimera/cerberus theory, along with Yami-Yami no Mi's ability to "suck in" devil fruit power. why?

1. at Jaya, Luffy and Zoro said that Teach wasn't a "he", but rather "they".
2. Marco remarks that Teach's body is "atypical"
3. Blackbeard pirates jolly roger: 3 skulls instead of one.

i believe BB can hold up to 3 devil fruits. in medicine, chimerism is when a single body has tissues that are made up of different DNA, and sometimes even hold different conscious/personality. i don't think there's another twin living inside of him, but it could be possible.

how did he get WB's gura-gura power? i think when a fruit user dies, the "devil" inside of said person will leave the body, and goes into any random fruit, and turns that said fruit into a devil fruit; similar to how Smile died, and an apple suddenly turned into a DF. the black curtain held over WB has restrictive/blocking properties for the devil fruit power; it doesn't nullify the user, but doesn't allow DF powers to penetrate it. so when the gura-gura devil left WB's body, BB used his yami-yami to the fullest, in order to absorb the gura-gura devil inside his "second" body(which i assume, the different tissues in different parts of his body).

by the time we see BB again, i think he will will have the 3 of the strongest DF types; strongest logia: yami-yami, strongest paramecia: gura-gura, and strongest zoan: probably mythical zoan tengu, or wtv (or prolly a chimera, suits his body type)

 

[Zehahaha]

He did wait for the strongest fruit to appear, the Mera Mera no Mi wasn't such, it wouldn't have given the best logia fruit possible in his opinion. It's explained in the very manga we are discussing here.

I don't understand how you can be 99% sure when you got 0% of evidence to back that opinion up.

Yami Yami no Mi isn't the strongest fruit IMO, but its abilities suit Teach very well, but I still believe that the reason he extracted the Gura Gura no Mi from WB had to do with the Yami Yami no Mi

I don't believe he waited for years to get that fruit just because it is effective against DF users

 

[Ero-Sanji]

by the time we see BB again, i think he will will have the 3 of the strongest DF types; strongest logia: yami-yami, strongest paramecia: gura-gura, and strongest zoan: probably mythical zoan tengu, or wtv (or prolly a chimera, suits his body type)

This is a very smart and interesting thought, BB does have the two strongest of said fruit types the only thing missing is the Zoan fruit. However, why is he after so many/all of the strongest fruits? Why did he send Jesus after the Mera Mera no Mi for example.

When it comes to the constitution of his body, there have been several hints of it being crazy, it's not only the fruit. The Marco statement, the Luffy and Zoro statement, the Ace statement, the flag and his ability to handle more than two fruits are all things that many here already have brought up. There's however one more thing worth noticing. Remember the weakness of the Yami Yami no Mi?

According to Blackbeard himself one can not become darkness, instead that person will suffer twice the level of damage/injury than a normal person would. Even with this weakness BB has shown no evidence of the weakness effecting his fighting capabilities instead he has shown the most tolerance of pain and injury than anyone else in the series, perhaps only WB can match him. There's a long list of attacks that should have seriously injured him or even killed him but didn't:

1. The fire spears through his chest and lungs.
2. Point blanc from gear second bazooka.
3. The Bisento slash.
4. Point blanc hit from earth quake bubble attack straight to his head and neck.
5. The direct hit from the fleet admiral in buddha state

In all of these situations BB has shown a freakish endurance, the last three even happened straight after each other by two of the strongest characters in the manga. Let me also remind you of Yami Yami's weakness. Alone all of these hints and statements mean little but together they strongly suggest that something isn't right with his body.

There's also one minor thing I haven't been able to comprehend yet, BB is not a "D". WB said straight to him, that he's not a "D", he's not like them nor does he carry their will. I don't know if this has anything to do with the topic, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.

 

[faiz461]

i think he's hunting fruits for his fleet. becoming a yonko, one does need to have a very strong crew/army. and he did asked ace to join his crew before. a champion with fire logia would give major advantage to their strength.

i just assume that teach has been really strong from the beginning; the fact that he gave a scar to shanks is testament to that. but his insane durability? perhaps there's an answer to that; he really is 3 person inside one body (so there's the pain tolerance and endurance of three different people, and he can somehow switch turns between each person, thus seeming extremely durable and resilient). as to how, we need more clues for that.

well, he could have lied in order to make people believe that he carries the will of "D", thus somehow proving him "fit" to become pirate king(at least in the eyes of his crew). or, we don't know enough about the will of "D" yet

 

[REN KOUEN]

I think that BB having two people within him and luffy and zoro being able to tell intuitively is not just wrong but also extremely disturbing. The manga is not dark enough to go there IMO. How would BB have 2 people within him to begin with? Is he a chimera? Does he have a twin brother inside of him from birth? The quimera is perhaps the less disturbing alternative....

I think BB was able to get two fruits because of his yami yami no mi basically. My idea is simple, he used his ability to attract things to suck out the ability out of WB. Perhaps he survived because his ability to negate DF abilities allowed him to cancel the process by which he would have exploded from having two abilities.

i was thinking that something about the yami yami fruit allows him a second fruit ability

almost like the yami yami counts as the absence of a fruit ability

 

[wooticus]

While i like the Chimera theory I also don't see Blackbeard obtaining the strongest fruit of every type. I also think that he won't have more than two fruits. In my opinion every one of the 4 Yonkou represents the strongest fruit of a certain type + the strongest Haki user.
Whitebeard had the strongest Paramecia, Blackbeard took that over from him.
Kaidou will have the strongest Zoan type fruit if you ask me. He has a Zoan Army and is called "a Thousand Beasts".
Shanks is probably the strongest overall Haki user alive (Maybe being competed by Luffy any time in the end of the manga)
So that leaves Big Mum for the Logia. I don't see where that fits yet. Maybe she is a "sugar-logia" or some crazy stuff like that.

 

[HereNThere]

I'm really curious as to how the BB pirates are taking DF powers for themselves. From the way Jinbe made it sound, it doesn't have to do with just killing them and bringing a fruit with them so it the DF can be reborn as we've recently seen. It's an entirely different method, which may have something to do with BB's ability to absorb multiple fruits. Hell, we don't even know if his limit is two. I'm thinking it isn't judging from Jinbe's words. I'm also curious if he found a way to increase the limit for his crew as well.

The Chimera theory is the most believable one at the moment and I do support it, but I doubt it's just as simple as that. It's apparently something that makes him stand out as Marco pointed out that the rest of the WB pirates should have been aware of BB's abnormality.

 

[faiz461]

While i like the Chimera theory I also don't see Blackbeard obtaining the strongest fruit of every type. I also think that he won't have more than two fruits. In my opinion every one of the 4 Yonkou represents the strongest fruit of a certain type + the strongest Haki user.
Whitebeard had the strongest Paramecia, Blackbeard took that over from him.
Kaidou will have the strongest Zoan type fruit if you ask me. He has a Zoan Army and is called "a Thousand Beasts".
Shanks is probably the strongest overall Haki user alive (Maybe being competed by Luffy any time in the end of the manga)
So that leaves Big Mum for the Logia. I don't see where that fits yet. Maybe she is a "sugar-logia" or some crazy stuff like that.

only that Law mentioned Kaido as the "strongest creature in the world"; to which i assume that Kaido wasn't originally human to begin with, but we need more info on this.

as for Big Mom with the logia, BB already states(or at least claims) that the Yami-Yami no Mi is the strongest among logia, if not all DF.

 

[k-dom]

i'm totally with the chimera/cerberus theory, along with Yami-Yami no Mi's ability to "suck in" devil fruit power. why?

1. at Jaya, Luffy and Zoro said that Teach wasn't a "he", but rather "they".

They were just saying that blackbeard had other crewmembers on the island. There is no real mistery here.

 

[faiz461]

They were just saying that blackbeard had other crewmembers on the island. There is no real mistery here.

i'll just quote what Azuma said:
No, Blackbeard was introduced in Jaya for the first time. Luffy didn't even know he was Blackbeard until they met in Impel Down.

I think Nami asking Luffy and Zoro if he has companions is a red herring to make the scene more ambigious. Him having a crew or not would have been rather irrelevant for them if you think about it . Quite frankly, I don't even see why they would respond by saying that he has a crew. If you interpret it as they saying he has a crew, a paraphrased scene would be something like this, which makes little sense:

Nami: He probably knows something about the Sky Island.
Zoro & Luffy: Don't know. It's not a "he" though, he has companions.

It is far more logical that they corrected her when she assumed that he's one person, to me at least, and in line with the direction of the conversation.

 

[HereNThere]

How in the world would Luffy and Zoro know that Teach, someone who they don't even know, haven't met before, haven't sailed with, or even fought against, have an "abnormal" body?

Luffy and Zoro correctly guessed that he was a pirate and had a crew probably from his speech he gave them. Where he casually mentioned the "Age of Pirates" and how dreams will never die. They could easily assume from that line alone that he was a pirate and most likely had a crew. Zoro himself even says probably.

 

[Deus Machina]

We should not over think the incident in Mock town. Luffy and Zoro had noted that BB and his crew mates stood out from the rest. There is nothing more than that. The place was flocked with pirates and Zoro & Luffy's intuition told them that the men were together. As for BB I think that there his possession of multiprocessing fruits is due to Yami Yami no Mi.

We know from early OP that DF contain 'devils' within them and consuming two will have both devils fight ultimately killing the owner. However BB YYnM sucks in the ability as we'll. This allows him to successfully posses several fruits at once. BB has had an association with three & I think he is also going to have three fruits.

I am going to go for Marco as the final piece to complete his trifecta. We know of the disadvantages of YYnM and the Phoenix fruit easily makes up for its inconvenience. Marco is also BB enemy and it makes sense to me that he would seek to eliminate them. I know you are thinking that BB is going to be OP. To beat this Oda is not going to make his haki as great or will completely deny him all together.

Thoughts?

 

[Makki]

I believe the truth lies in his flag. There are 3 heads on it. I believe that is some reference to his ability. He has 2 powers now. I believe he is capable of having 3 in total.
Perhaps that is his actual ability.
I know this is a very famous theory, but all the hints mentioned in earlier posts "Zoro and Luffy saying "they" and so on lead to this. No idea how Oda could pull it off but I'm so excited to see it in the future.