Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 5

[taqzer]

Same with iShojo. It tried to be something different to the average Jump romance, and it pulled it off. It's just that no-one cared. Be nice to own in tanks.

It's sucks that Ishojo is struggling. It deserved more then it got imo, sadly Japan seems to feel otherwise. Whilst the idea of an app giving you control over someone sounds creepy I think the mangaka handled it really well, with all protagonists. It was never the whole "ill use the app to do perverted things" and instead focused on innocence and using the app to allow for the couples to show there true feelings or to instigate stagnant relationships to start growing. For the most part I thought it was/is worlds better then Nisekoi and like you said didn't replicate the normal Jump archetype followed by most rom-coms. Sad that the Jump readers seem to disagree, most anyone who favours the series can hope for is that its rank increases as of the first rank with the 3'd couple. Maybe Japan just hates the 2nd couple, possibly resulting from the heavy ecchi-poses/scenes that started in the 2nd couples 2nd chapter, last weeks rank.

 

[SharkBait]

Maybe Japan just hates the 2nd couple, possibly resulting from the heavy ecchi-poses/scenes that started in the 2nd couples 2nd chapter, last weeks rank.

I thought the popularity of Nisekoi kind of suggests that the current generation of people who like romcoms in todays JUMP dont like fanservice like that since the series has and continues to avoid putting it in while remaining fairly popular.

 

[TXC]

I saw the fan service for it... The art just isn't good enough for having it. One is used to great fan service quality of TLR and ishoujo doesn't really deliver in that aspect.

 

[SharkBait]

I think it is best for people to take a short breather and calm down so that we can avoid a potentially high tension climate.

 

[Asgaroth]

i really hope ishoujo gets around for a bit longer. i really appreciate the style of a few chapters to show the love of two people. it's quite refreshing to actually have development instead of dragging it out to 100+ chapters. on the other hand its hard to build up sympathy for the characters if they last only a couple of chapters instead of going on a long journey with them. I guess such a story style is meant for short series but till then it could have a couple more chapters to have at least an anniversery and the mangaka doesn't get depressed. I mean its probably pretty costy to work on such a thing for month without getting a real income withouth sales.

 

[Leoat12]

iShoujo first chapter was quite good IMO, but it is not enough to judge a series. The fact that it has fanservice goes against it. I have the opinion that Jump readers are disliking fanservice since Koisome Momiji cancellation.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

it's worth reading beyond that if it becomes available to you, it's really impressed me (And a fair few others, as a pleasant surprise).

Koisome Momiji's cancellation still hits hard. totally another title that way more than just fanservice, despite the abundance of it.

 

[SharkBait]

Never noticed the Haikyuu!! spines before, wonder what will be used soon since karasuno is almost all covered (dont know why the middle two are white?)

 

[Txapeldun]

Never noticed the Haikyuu!! spines before, wonder what will be used soon since karasuno is almost all covered (dont know why the middle two are white?)

The orange thing is just missing. If you have any original tankobon you know that there's always that little thing down there that sponsors the series.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Oh how I despise those little wraparound ads. at one point I had a shelf that was just filled with them. So glad they don't seem to turn up in later prints (at least as far as my orders have turned out)

 

[Leoat12]

it's worth reading beyond that if it becomes available to you, it's really impressed me (And a fair few others, as a pleasant surprise).

Koisome Momiji's cancellation still hits hard. totally another title that way more than just fanservice, despite the abundance of it.

Yes, I will when it is released.

Yes, it was a great story and although it was cancelled, ended very well. I also have the felling that besides the ecchi Koisome Momiji told the truth about that bullshit that idols are untouchable beings and some readers don't like it. However, I don't know if Jump readers are that radical.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

yeah, challenging the youth's concept of idols is kinda a surefire way to ruffle some nerdier feathers, to be sure

 

[Silverblade]

Koisome Momiji wasn't anything special. It might have been better than the average shounen romance but that speaks more its rival series than of itself. And for a supposed veteran of the industry Miura claimed to be, his artstyle was exceedingly bland.

Hopefully ishoujo author manages to do what he has set out to do in the short amount of time he has. That will show them!

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Koisome Momiji wasn't anything special. It might have been better than the average shounen romance but that speaks more its rival series than of itself. And for a supposed veteran of the industry Miura claimed to be, his artstyle was exceedingly bland.

Hopefully ishoujo author manages to do what he has set out to do in the short amount of time he has. That will show them!

you're.... basically right about Koisome. It wasn't anything special, per se, but it did have special things about it. I still hold up the way Sana and Yui were designed as being one of the best examples of competent design choices in recent years. To say nothing of the author's skills with emotional beats. But... yeah, it was a love triangle based comedy with a black-haired cipher as a main character that owed far too much of itself to I"S. Gotta face that at the same time as I love it, huh.

 

[Asgaroth]

And for a supposed veteran of the industry Miura claimed to be, his artstyle was exceedingly bland.

It had the best art style i saw in years and god how many manga i read daily. Not like that makes me the best judge, but bland is definitely an understatement and that for a weekly series.

 

[TXC]

Both Koisome and pajama's had great art, I liked pajama's character design a lot more tho.

 

[Leoat12]

Koisome Momiji is on my top 5 of favorite art styles. It is not "bland" for me either.
Miura made some oneshots, but he was not lucky till now. I hope he gets back to the magazines anytime soon or try a serialization in JUMP SQ, with one month his art can become even better.

 

[vinceled]

Oh they're not hard to read. I'm part way through volume one. It's just having time to do so that's the thing. I'm going on vacation in two months so I want to try and give the scantlators I work with enough work to do while I'm away. I think I'll only have time for Gintama while I'm not at home (and maybe Kiriwo if the raw situation for it improves...which I doubt.) so I want to get as much TL'ed as I can before then. Sad that it hits a lull around chapter 55...but from your previous posts it seems like it improves again soon after?

I really wish iShoujo could have run in some other magazine. For a committed romance loather like myself to be charmed by it is amazing in and of itself. I don't really care for Nisekoi or Torabu, but I actually cared about iShoujo's fate until now where it's confirmed to be down and out. I hope the artist doesn't let this damper his spirits and returns. Actually I'm always impressed by how these artists come back even after flopping. I don't think I could do that if the series and characters I put my love into were so vehimiently denied. So I always applaud an author for returning even if I didn't enjoy their previous work. Shows love to the craft I think. I'd say feeling positive about jump is bad, but I'm trying to overcome my own anti-jump bias so it'd be an unfair pot-kettle thing if I were to call you out on it.

In all honesty I haven't really been enjoying translating world trigger that much between ch53-58. It might be because I have a weird way of reading / translating where I don't actually read series in continuous all the time, it gets pretty boring after a while. At that time I was also handling translating/redrawing/typesetting for the series on top of my studies and my other projects with was really tiring.

As for iShoujo I still haven't read past ch05 but now that's it a given it'll end, I think I wait until then to then read all the remaining chapters in one go.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Koisome Momiji is on my top 5 of favorite art styles. It is not "bland" for me either.
Miura made some oneshots, but he was not lucky till now. I hope he gets back to the magazines anytime soon or try a serialization in JUMP SQ, with one month his art can become even better.

to be fair to the "bland" assessment of the art, there are a lot of similarities to the fairly generic cutesy anime out there at the moment, more so in the author's Jump LIVE thing. It's main escape from blandness is in its designs and its distinction amongst the Jump titles of the time.

 

[Silverblade]

There are very few features which set Miura Tadahiro's artstyle apart from the generic general anime art trends. For example, he gives his characters very thick, even bushy, eyelashes. But the overall proportions, composition and direction hardly stand out. What exactly do you find appealing about his art?

On the other hand, I admit his proficiency with screentones.