Discussion Sanji a big dissapointment?

[hokageji]

I hope ppl aren't forgetting that Sanji also put himself forward and that Zoro stole the epicness.
Oda did that to show that practically each and every member would give their life for Luffy.
Also here, Zoro's attack had nothing to do with the Pacifista's neck breaking. The attacks happened at the exact same time so Oda was rather cheaply showing that both Sanji and Zoro could one-shot a Pacifista whilst trying to tie in a bit of comic relief at the same time. It wasn't that epic at all I agree with you on that one.

No, Sanji did put himself, but Zoro went through with it. It was Zoro that stood in a pool of blood after suffering injuries equal to his and luffys put together. Oda was mildy suggested taht Zoro and Sanji are nearly equals. Sanji is itching for it, he will get one moment where he feels superior to Zoro, in my opinion.

You are right, i meant Zoro and Sanji attacked the pacifista equally, but if they did attack seperately, it would still be a one shot.

@zehahaha
Yes, that is a good point, Sanjis training is from running away (from what we know) while Zoro has trained with Mihawk.

 

[M3J]

Sanji so far hasn't been a disappointment. Did he know about Vergo's ability to harden his body? Even after the fracture and the beating his body got while Nami was controlling it, Sanji was still moving and fighting. Doflamingo is a shichibukai, so it makes sense that Sanji couldn't do much against the man he had little to no info on. Currently, Sanji is on the ship with the weaklings being chased by Big Mom's pirates. We should judge how he fares here, if you ask me.

 

[Zehahaha]

The thing with Sanji is that he seemed to be slightly serious and even used his previously best technique without a hint of him having anything stronger than that
Unlike Zoro, we didn't even see him use Asura yet... Zoro has been portrayed as freaking beast so far, I know that Zoro didn't face a strong opponent yet but anyway, it's the impression the author is giving

 

[Fox666]

You are right, i meant Zoro and Sanji attacked the pacifista equally, but if they did attack seperately, it would still be a one shot.

I think that scene implied that Luffy could one-shot a Pacifista, and Zoro or Sanji two-shot. =P

 

[jamarTheDem]

I think that scene implied that Luffy could one-shot a Pacifista, and Zoro or Sanji two-shot. =P

You can look at this way but clearly Zoro can one shoot a Pacifista, same with Sanji . I don't understand why Oda making Sanji so weak compare to Zoro so the only guess I came up with is that Oda want Sanji to upgrade lately (maybe next arc) instead of being super powerful right now . Hopefully Oda let Sanji reflect on his weakness , which will make him get stronger in the process .

 

[DutchPhoenix]

The thing with Sanji is that he seemed to be slightly serious and even used his previously best technique without a hint of him having anything stronger than that
Unlike Zoro, we didn't even see him use Asura yet... Zoro has been portrayed as freaking beast so far, I know that Zoro didn't face a strong opponent yet but anyway, it's the impression the author is giving

Lets see
Massively drugged hyouzou , seemed to me more skilled then hody was.
1 shotted hody
Dragon
Monet
Pica

He fought hes fair share, but zoro is overpoweringen all of them so much, that we as readers think they r weak.

 

[Zehahaha]

Lets see
Massively drugged hyouzou , seemed to me more skilled then hody was.
1 shotted hody
Dragon
Monet
Pica

He fought hes fair share, but zoro is overpoweringen all of them so much, that we as readers think they r weak.

Vergo + DD are stronger than all of these guys tho... I'm still giving Sanji the benefit of the doubt, but yeah so far seems like Zoro is stronger than him

 

[Shader]

Actualy yes, Sanji always was a tiny bit weaker than Zorro but Sanji compensated it with some level of cunning..remember mr.Prince stuff, or this Wolf cp9 or Bon Clay... and yes it is dissapointing how he looks right now, since the time skipp everything he managed to achieve is:
lost lots of blood on FI
grab some nicy dreams in Nami's body
got his leg(the trademark of Sanji, the weapon he suposed to perfect) shattered in a single strike on Vergo without dealing any damage to him
got owned by DF (yes, may be he was usefull even in defeat by winning time, but still he was a fodder to DF)

Right now it does not look like he got any stronger after timeskip: his resolve is the same (ero-ero), his fighting style is the same, his cunning seems to dissapear and his cooking skills..doesnt actualy matter (despite the remark on okama island about making his crew stronger through food).
Right now he is dissapointment(in terms of strenght), i realy hope he will play the major part and got his moments of glory and show us what he was doing for those 2 years on island...

 

[zunairnasir]

Sanji is not a devil fruit user neither he have any special powers. He's man of great talent, Cooking and fighting are completely two different things and he is a master in it. ALL HAIL SANJI

Actualy yes, Sanji always was a tiny bit weaker than Zorro but Sanji compensated it with some level of cunning..remember mr.Prince stuff, or this Wolf cp9 or Bon Clay... and yes it is dissapointing how he looks right now, since the time skipp everything he managed to achieve is:
lost lots of blood on FI
grab some nicy dreams in Nami's body
got his leg(the trademark of Sanji, the weapon he suposed to perfect) shattered in a single strike on Vergo without dealing any damage to him
got owned by DF (yes, may be he was usefull even in defeat by winning time, but still he was a fodder to DF)

Right now it does not look like he got any stronger after timeskip: his resolve is the same (ero-ero), his fighting style is the same, his cunning seems to dissapear and his cooking skills..doesnt actualy matter (despite the remark on okama island about making his crew stronger through food).
Right now he is dissapointment(in terms of strenght), i realy hope he will play the major part and got his moments of glory and show us what he was doing for those 2 years on island...

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Vergo + DD are stronger than all of these guys tho... I'm still giving Sanji the benefit of the doubt, but yeah so far seems like Zoro is stronger than him

vergo stronger then Pica? i disagree, that guy can merge with an entire island and drop cities on you.

 

[Fox666]

If anything, the attack from Law that defeated Vergo proves that being able to merge with an island wouldn't make a difference.

Overall the series has been consistent with the idea of Zoro and Sanji being on the same level. Vergo got the upper hand against Sanji, but Doflamingo Believed could defeat Law too. Sanji was defeated by Doflamingo, but Doflamingo himself said Sanji was strong. Zoro had some brief encounters with Fujitora, which were interrupted. I think these are the only opponents worth comparing?

 

[VAArmOOs]

I don't think Sanji is weak. He didn't disappoint me yet and even if we see him defeated at the hands of Big Mom's crew, he will not be a disappointment. I consider Vergo stronger or as strong as any of the other executives. He only lost to Law because, 1st; he underestimated him, 2nd; Law's power is too hax (He cutted through an expert haki user!). Sanji is a brawler and even so I think he did good against vergo. A fractured leg, yes, but he was not expecting it and even if he was, what's the big deal? Zoro took much more punishment from Mr.1 and people aren't saying he got his ass handed by Mr.1. Why? Because we saw the end of the match!

Against DD... What were people expecting I don't know, but what about Luffy vs DD. Whas it so different? Luffy took an epic punch to his face.

If he get's owned by Big mom's crew, it's only logical. It's a damn Yonko's crew (plural, not one member). I would expect even Luffy to lose in that circumstance.

 

[zelllogan]

i gave up. sanji was my fav character but choose to use him as a stepping stone. he is the character vilains will defeat to assess their strength. if it wasn t enough he is also used as comic relief

 

[Ninomiya]

I think the problem with us here is that we are longing for Sanji to remain as part of the Monster Trio. But maybe Oda only cares for making Luffy and Zoro successors to Roger and Rayleigh respectively. We haven't seen much of Scopper from Roger's crew which would completely the trio of:

[Gol. D] Roger, [Silver]s Rayleigh and S[copper] which would be an equivalent to Bronze I guess.

If we accept that Sanji is just an amazing cook and not on Zoro/Luffy level, then I think we'll be less disappointed with his next moment of screentime.
I think what underlines it right now is how disappointing Nami/Usopp have been since NW as well. I think the whole battle against the woman who painted the ship thing which presented Chopper/Brook/Nami as a joke was a bit too much.
Half of the SH's have been a joke on Dressrosa in terms of combat ability so far in NW. Franky/Robin/Luffy/Zoro have shown good improvement and I guess Brook too. Not yet sold on how effective Chopper's fighting style really is, and same with Usopp/Nami.

 

[Zehahaha]

I think the problem with us here is that we are longing for Sanji to remain as part of the Monster Trio. But maybe Oda only cares for making Luffy and Zoro successors to Roger and Rayleigh respectively. We haven't seen much of Scopper from Roger's crew which would completely the trio of:

[Gol. D] Roger, [Silver]s Rayleigh and S[copper] which would be an equivalent to Bronze I guess.

If we accept that Sanji is just an amazing cook and not on Zoro/Luffy level, then I think we'll be less disappointed with his next moment of screentime.
I think what underlines it right now is how disappointing Nami/Usopp have been since NW as well. I think the whole battle against the woman who painted the ship thing which presented Chopper/Brook/Nami as a joke was a bit too much.
Half of the SH's have been a joke on Dressrosa in terms of combat ability so far in NW. Franky/Robin/Luffy/Zoro have shown good improvement and I guess Brook too. Not yet sold on how effective Chopper's fighting style really is, and same with Usopp/Nami.

Dude, I've been saying this for a long time and people didn't take me seriously
I was so damn disappointed with Nami/Chopper/Brook... That Jora chick had only her DF, no real fighting abilities so far, are you telling me Brook couldn't speed blitz her from the start ?

They may have gotten strong, but their personality didn't change much, they didn't mature... Imagine if that it was Zoro there instead of those noobs, he'd have cut her already without thinking about it

The ability of the SH's to make themselves look bad against weak opponents annoys me too much, all of them are guilty of that except for Zoro mostly
Sadly enough, Oda didn't change anything so far after the timeskip, it's the same formula all over again, and zero character development at ALL

For those who have been reading Berserk, Vagabond for example... Compare Guts at the beginning and Guts now, compared Musashi at the beginning and Musashi now... That's what I call character development, as the story goes, the character grows from the experience, sadly this concept doesn't exist in OP at all

 

[Sproumfch]

Dude, I've been saying this for a long time and people didn't take me seriously
I was so damn disappointed with Nami/Chopper/Brook... That Jora chick had only her DF, no real fighting abilities so far, are you telling me Brook couldn't speed blitz her from the start ?

They may have gotten strong, but their personality didn't change much, they didn't mature... Imagine if that it was Zoro there instead of those noobs, he'd have cut her already without thinking about it

The ability of the SH's to make themselves look bad against weak opponents annoys me too much, all of them are guilty of that except for Zoro mostly
Sadly enough, Oda didn't change anything so far after the timeskip, it's the same formula all over again, and zero character development at ALL

For those who have been reading Berserk, Vagabond for example... Compare Guts at the beginning and Guts now, compared Musashi at the beginning and Musashi now... That's what I call character development, as the story goes, the character grows from the experience, sadly this concept doesn't exist in OP at all

Hey, the SH arrived in the NW yesterday (in the story line). Can't they still be a little bit afraid of this new sea?
I feel like you want to compare Roger's and Luffy's crew. Sorry but it won't ever be the same. Especially in term of rank making.
First we never saw Roger's crew,
Second Luffy is the manga's hero. It would be a shame if the hero has the same story pattern as the hero's idol. You see?

Furthermore, Sanji hs never be the guys who was beaten in first.
Remember Zoro in the Fisherman's Island? He wasn't able to defeat Hodi underwater and unpowered.
I feel that Sanji did well against Doffy.
Doflamingo was one of the few that left the Marineford Battle unscathed. Really, he had nothing.

You guys maybe don't yet understand how much Doflamingo is a beast !

 

[Fox666]

Remember Zoro in the Fisherman's Island? He wasn't able to defeat Hodi underwater and unpowered.

?

Zoro defeated Houdi in an instant.

 

[Zehahaha]

Hey, the SH arrived in the NW yesterday (in the story line). Can't they still be a little bit afraid of this new sea?
I feel like you want to compare Roger's and Luffy's crew. Sorry but it won't ever be the same. Especially in term of rank making.
First we never saw Roger's crew,
Second Luffy is the manga's hero. It would be a shame if the hero has the same story pattern as the hero's idol. You see?

Furthermore, Sanji hs never be the guys who was beaten in first.
Remember Zoro in the Fisherman's Island? He wasn't able to defeat Hodi underwater and unpowered.
I feel that Sanji did well against Doffy.
Doflamingo was one of the few that left the Marineford Battle unscathed. Really, he had nothing.

You guys maybe don't yet understand how much Doflamingo is a beast !

First of all, that's not what I'm doing
Second of all, Zoro made Hodi look like a noob underwater

Third of all... You don't even understand my point, reread my post carefully

 

[Sproumfch]

First of all, that's not what I'm doing
Second of all, Zoro made Hodi look like a noob underwater

Third of all... You don't even understand my point, reread my post carefully

Yeah Zoro powned him... at the beginning. After, well nothing better happened, am I right? His cutting was not strong enought. Zoro was not strong enought. End.
/!\ TROLL /!\ Guys Im realy too much disapointed in Zoro right now. Look, he trained 2 years with Miwhak and what? He can't One Shot a Marine Admiral and a Shishibukai together? Zoro you are a loss. /!\ END OF TROLL /!\ See what I am doing?


I though Iunderstood your post, which is basically a whining on "how this character is totally useless and wrong? (I may be totally wrong, once again).

But DUDE , THIS IS MANGA. And more, this is One Piece.

I you want a character developpement based manga, ofc go read Berserk.
Here it is One Piece.
You know, Usopp won't become brave by landing a foot on Elbaf.
And Sanji didn't trained his Haki with Rayleigh.
And Chopper/Nami/Usopp will always be the frightened ones.

You ask for change but you are not patient enought. And I feel it's the same wth everybody.
If the week's chapter isn't fast enought, everyone whines.
Hey, try do draw that if you wanna make some criticism, see?

You say if I'm wrong or right

 

[M3J]

Zoro was strong, but Hodi used drugs to recover and enhance his strength. He took down Hodi and would have won if it weren't for those pesky drugs.

Again, I say we wait for the crew's confrontation with Big Mom's pirates since Sanji is the only one who's powerful enough to fight.