Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 7

[Hunt]

Boku no hero is getting more and more popular, spoiler are coming out faster than before

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[Maxy Barnard]

I'm not gonna get tired of Horikoshi's little parodies of marvel/dc comic covers, creative processes and such. "writer letterer penciler colorist by kohei horikoshi" is just... such a sweet little touch.

 

[kewl0210]

Gintama's having a big fight and flashback that's been teased for 10 years. It's honestly really interesting and exciting and maybe it's bringing back old fans who wanted to see how that would go.

 

[Newkerzy]

So, just started on Boku no Hero Academia. And.... I have to say, I'm liking what's been shown so far. I can't help but make comparisons to Naruto in its early days, though (withdrawal symptoms, I guess). Horikoshi is building up Moriya and Bakugou's relationship well, I can't help but feel like it's an improved/better version of the Naruto/Sasuke rivalry. But that said, there's only ten scanlated chapters out so, I may be not up to date with their relationship. Ochako is so sweet, though. And Horikoushi is doing a great job with her powers and spotlight.

 

[SharkBait]

Jump #52 (22/11):
E-Robot (Cover & Lead Color Page, New Series, 54 pg.)
Assassination Classroom
One Piece
Takujou no Ageha (Color Page, 25 pg.)
Shokugeki no Souma
Gintama
Boku no Hero Academia (Color Page)
Hq!!
World Trigger
Nisekoi (Color Page)
Hinomaru Zumou
Toriko
PSI Kusuo Saiki
Juudouzu
Kochikame
Isobe Isobee Monogatari
Bleach
Sporting Salt
Hi-Fi Cluster
Hunter x Hunter (Absent)

#01:
Cover & Lead CP: Gakkyuu Houtei by Takeshi Obata & Enoki Nobuaki (New Series)
CP: Bleach, E-Robot
Extra Pages: Takujou no Ageha (23 pg.)

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Cover WSJ 2014 #01 - #52:

The rise of world trigger is truly a better outcome than a planet of the apes. Seems to further support my previous claims of times past that World Trigger would be long lasting even folks jumped ship to sumo.

i dont even know what Toriko is doing anymore become borderline to brutal for jump has gone hand in hand with it continuously falling off. Mindbless death and violence is not what is needed in the current ecosystem and its only hanging on due to tepid reception of newer series. I hope he brings back Take-chan and Komatsu.

 

[CallumKeyblade]

The rise of world trigger is truly a better outcome than a planet of the apes. Seems to further support my previous claims of times past that World Trigger would be long lasting even folks jumped ship to sumo.

i dont even know what Toriko is doing anymore become borderline to brutal for jump has gone hand in hand with it continuously falling off. Mindbless death and violence is not what is needed in the current ecosystem and its only hanging on due to tepid reception of newer series. I hope he brings back Take-chan and Komatsu.

This is the first week in ages that World Trigger has outranked Toriko so I'm not sure how you can claim World Trigger has been enjoying a wonderful performance whilst Toriko has been failing. "Hanging on due to tepid reception of newer series" is pretty much an exact description of World Trigger's entire time in WSJ.

 

[Xzone]

This is the first week in ages that World Trigger has outranked Toriko so I'm not sure how you can claim World Trigger has been enjoying a wonderful performance whilst Toriko has been failing. "Hanging on due to tepid reception of newer series" is pretty much an exact description of World Trigger's entire time in WSJ.

In Issue 45 is not year
And not compared 1 series without anime and averagensales (WT) with a series with good sales and monstruous promotion by Sj (toriko).

 

[WyldViolet]

Not gonna lie, as much as I dislike the series it was weird to not be reading a Naruto chapter this morning alongside the other Jump series I follow.

 

[Felcis]

Toriko has been going weak storywise and suffering from a terrible pacing for over a year now, which might finally take an effect on the rankings. Most likely though, it will just bounce between top and center once in a while, since it might have already reached a status similiar to Bleach in it's prime. Also, the series still retains an appealing energy and ridiculousness which keeps it entertaining.
As for WorldTrigger, it climbed the ranks with the focus shifting back to the popular characters, just as expected. It might even visit the top places for a bit with the final chapters of the arc, which would be well deserved considering the phenomenal, perfectly paced invasion-arc it build up. I expect the series to average somewhere in the center for the next months.

In any case, none of the established series are any danger of cancellation for quite some time, because none of the last new series can be expected to have any kind of staying-power. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as the lineup is pretty balanced and strong right now.

 

[WyldViolet]

Has the World Trigger chapter with the Togashi esque artwork been ranked yet?

 

[James Rye]

Has the World Trigger chapter with the Togashi esque artwork been ranked yet?

CHapter 77? Nah, I think the ranking now might have been for 75...or 76 never sure about that. So either next week or the week after we should get the half-finished chapter ranking, but I am pretty sure 75 was the one in this ranks so probably in two weeks. I expect a drop for that one despite its little shock ending.^^

 

[Txapeldun]

Toriko is not the new Bleach. Maybe in two years it'll get to that position if the trend follows this way. Back when Bleach was 300ish chapter long it was still popular, even if the rankings had already started to drop and the writing had become slightly repetitive (Half-way the Arrancar arc)
And certainly WT is not the new Toriko. Toriko got a long running anime, which WT will never achieve. (Partially because the era of long animes is over) WT is only there because other series served as cushions. Just like CallumKeyblade said.
I don't understand the hate Toriko gets. It will never be cancelled. Neither will be Bleach. About WT, I'm not that sure. How can you be so sure that WT will be here in two-three years time? I see it more similar to NuraMago than to Toriko. And we all remember what happened to Nura, even when the sales were ok.

 

[Leoat12]

It's funny how WT's fans vision about the TOC changes through weeks, when it ranks bad, they say that TOC doesn't reflect the reality, but when it ranks well, they commemorate like no tomorrow. I still have to understand some fanbases... XD

Toriko has declined since Gourmet World arc beginning, but it is still in better condition than World Trigger, far better. Toriko gets some good rankings and when it is "bad", it is 7th or 8th, World Trigger, on the other hand, fluctuates between middle and bottom. Sales and general success cannot be compared as well.
Since the beginning I say that World Trigger continued in the magazine for so long because of luck. I'm not sure if it is going to be here in one or two years...

 

[xi0]

It's funny how WT's fans vision about the TOC changes through weeks, when it ranks bad, they say that TOC doesn't reflect the reality, but when it ranks well, they commemorate like no tomorrow. I still have to understand some fanbases... XD

That's almost any fanbase. No point in singling WT out, to be honest.

 

[Leoat12]

That's almost any fanbase. No point in singling WT out, to be honest.

It was the first time I saw someone who contested TOC nature as a ranking though.

 

[xi0]

It was the first time I saw someone who contested TOC nature as a ranking though.

Really now? Any series which has a "hype-ish" online English audience always tries to rail against reality. Psyren, Double Arts, etc.

 

[Leoat12]

Really now? Any series which has a "hype-ish" online English audience always tries to rail against reality. Psyren, Double Arts, etc.

You are older than me here, you experienced many more things (I don't know how you didn't lose your mind. XD).
From 2011 to now, it was the first time, I think.

Double Arts was a really strange case though, I researched a bit about it... It got cover and a 45 pages chapter and after some weeks it was cancelled. I wouldn't believe either.

 

[xi0]

You are older than me here, you experienced many more things (I don't know how you didn't lose your mind. XD).
From 2011 to now, it was the first time, I think.

Double Arts was a really strange case though, I researched a bit about it... It got cover and a 45 pages chapter and after some weeks it was cancelled. I wouldn't believe either.

I liked both series mind you, but I wouldn't bother deluding myself. The same system gives us big hits we all love as well, so...

 

[Leoat12]

I liked both series mind you, but I wouldn't bother deluding myself. The same system gives us big hits we all love as well, so...

I never read Psyren, I'm gonna read in the future because of a recommendation though. Double Arts was interesting, but its pace was mortally slow, it started in its last chapter basically... I'm divided about it because if it had continued, Nisekoi wouldn't have seen the light of the day...
Jump system is the best I could think of... It has its pros and cons, but it gave birth to many successes.

 

[Unok]

In Issue 45 is not year
And not compared 1 series without anime and averagensales (WT) with a series with good sales and monstruous promotion by Sj (toriko).

I always love how there are people who jump and start talking about things they are not even aware or have even checked for what they talk about. Around a year or something, there was another user (won't mention his name), who was annoyed Toriko sold more in the year sales than Bleach and blabbered the same thing. When I counted the color pages for the last year, it turned that Bleach had more covers and colors for that period, even though it lost its anime in the same period, while Toriko for the same period had new anime season, manga anniversary, games, movies (for which was natural to get colors), yet Bleach got them without that many things to celebrate.

Anyway, lets check for 2014 issues or basically the last year, how was Toriko "monstrous promoted by Jump".

Toriko:
Issue 10: Cover + Center Color
Issue 11: Center Color
Issue 27: Cover + Lead Color
Issue 39: Center Color
*it didn't even receive color for it's 300th chapter (last chapter it had a color was in 289)
Result: 2 Covers & 4 color pages. So anything having that much is monstrous promotion.

Let's go check World Trigger for the same period. It's also to note that average, Toriko spend most of the year it top half (often in top 5), while World Trigger spend most of the year in bottom half (and not "1 or 2" times in bottom 5).

World Trigger for 2014 issues:
Issue 1: Center Color
Issue 10: Center Color
Issue 15: Cover + Lead Color
Issue 21: Center Color
Issue 27: Center Color
Issue 28: Cover + Lead Color
Issue 44: Cover + Lead Color

Result: 3 Covers & 7 Color pages.

THAT'S ALMOST DOUBLE AS TORIKO. If Toriko is monstrous promoted by SJ, then World Trigger is SUPER-DUPER Monstrous promoted by SJ. And it's for a series that was selling not very good and spending most of the time in bottom half of the ToC. If that's not a super promotion, then I don't know what to call it.

Next time, before you say something like that, do a little research please.