Discussion Findings that show why Roger never had a devil fruit

[I Am Atomic]

This is my findings of telling you that roger didnt have a devil fruit.
1. When he was going to be executed, the handcuffs were made of wood.
2. When the roger pirates got a devil fruit for the first time they didnt know if it was real or just a legend. After buggy ate the fake one everyone believed that devil fruit power is just a made up story. This shows that none had devil fruit powers includong roger cuz you cant hide your power from your crew for sure.

Thats it for now. If you guys think of anything feel free to post it.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

#1 may be because they didn't have kairoseki cuffs yet but it is likely they did at that time so I agree with #1.
#2 is up for more scrutiny. Rocinante is proof that you can hide your powers. It is hard because you cannot swim but not impossible.

Good theory though but there needs to be more evidence to fully convince me. I actually want to believe he didn't have any DF powers either. At first I thought his ability to "hear all things" as Rayeigh said was a DF power but now Luffy can do it too so whether he possessed a DF is still up for question until more evidence is provided. I'm sure Oda has hint all over but I'm too lazy to dig.

 

[seimei]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

That's a nice theory. Set aside the proof we are all too lazy too search, i'd like to believe that too.

People in gold.d.roger generation doesn't seem to have any df ability..
Such as garp, don chijao, granny nyon, rayleigh, crocus, except...

BROOK. Dang, holes in my theory.

 

[Fox666]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

The Whitebeard Pirates are from the same generation as Roger.

 

[Ricko]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

That's a nice theory. Set aside the proof we are all too lazy too search, i'd like to believe that too.

People in gold.d.roger generation doesn't seem to have any df ability..
Such as garp, don chijao, granny nyon, rayleigh, crocus, except...

BROOK. Dang, holes in my theory.

And Whitebeard, Jozu or Marco But we don't know when they had their DF.
But Shinji the golden lion had his fruit during this generation !

 

[Zeta42]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

Robin was born before Roger's death, though she first displayed her DF powers two years after he was executed.

 

[Sharikaaria]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

Roger could have also had great Haki. You don't need a Devil's Fruit for that and it can be just as deadly. Since Rayleigh was Roger's First Mate and a beast with Haki, one would think the Captain would have something at least that powerful.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

Roger could have also had great Haki. You don't need a Devil's Fruit for that and it can be just as deadly. Since Rayleigh was Roger's First Mate and a beast with Haki, one would think the Captain would have something at least that powerful.

Of course, these are just my theories and it's not always right.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

@Neevan The title of your thread is misleading. You make it sound as if you had solid proof that Roger wasn't a DF user, when it's only speculation.
So according to you, Roger wasn't a DF user because he didn't have sea stone handcuffs....Hardly since it seems that the Marines only started using sea stone when Vegapunk started working for them,so it must be that making sea stone handcuffs was most likely impossible during Roger's era.
And second, it's possible that during that time only a handful of people knew about DFs and their abilities. Also I find it weird that books that describe DFs exist in the first place, it might be a plot hole. Also we can't be sure that Buggy's DF was the only one they got their hands on, it's possible that they got other DFs afterwards while they were travelling.
So you see these are not proof, it's just your own interpretation on the matter. So I suggest you change the title of the thread, so that people would not be mislead.

 

[Sharikaaria]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

I didn't think it was unclear that it's all just speculation.. it's a long manga and I've forgotten a lot of details. For all I know, there may be proof that Roger was never a DF user. I just think it doesn't matter either way since you don't need a DF to be powerful.

 

[ProGoddess]

I have not recalled any part of the manga that mentions about Roger's devil fruit. Maybe it has been hinted or mentioned somewhere which I may have overlooked. Similarly like Sharikaaria, One Piece is a long standing manga and perhaps some details may have been forgotten (or hard to recall). Besides, Roger isn't the main focus of the story and therefore the author may not concentrate so much on him but to include him as part of the link to the overall story.

Though having said so, it is still a good observation on Roger, like the wooden handcuffs. Additionally, it may also be true that many people aren't familiar with devil fruits and their abilities in the past. Devil fruits were then introduced gradually till more and more devil fruit users started to surface and the use of devil fruit abilities were widely used and shown to us afterwards. Of course, Roger and the One Piece as mentioned are still a mystery since not much (or very little) have been told till this day.

Nevertheless, thanks Neevan for your findings.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Re: proof showing why roger never had a devil fruit

@Neevan The title of your thread is misleading. You make it sound as if you had solid proof that Roger wasn't a DF user, when it's only speculation.
So according to you, Roger wasn't a DF user because he didn't have sea stone handcuffs....Hardly since it seems that the Marines only started using sea stone when Vegapunk started working for them,so it must be that making sea stone handcuffs was most likely impossible during Roger's era.
And second, it's possible that during that time only a handful of people knew about DFs and their abilities. Also I find it weird that books that describe DFs exist in the first place, it might be a plot hole. Also we can't be sure that Buggy's DF was the only one they got their hands on, it's possible that they got other DFs afterwards while they were travelling.
So you see these are not proof, it's just your own interpretation on the matter. So I suggest you change the title of the thread, so that people would not be mislead.

Thanks for changing it.

 

[Fox666]

Come to think of it, it should be relatively easy for someone like Roget to break wooden handcuffs.

 

[seimei]

Come to think of it, it should be relatively easy for someone like Roget to break wooden handcuffs.

I bet he can do it physically, he just chose not to.
And the world govt must be crazy if they know that Roger is a DF user and still hold a public execution in a town full of civilians.

I mean, look at his kid!

 

[I Am Atomic]

I bet he can do it physically, he just chose not to.
And the world govt must be crazy if they know that Roger is a DF user and still hold a public execution in a town full of civilians.

I mean, look at his kid!

I agree with you seimei.
Roger has fought with Whitebeard, Sengoku and Garp; each of them strong enough to be a rival of the Pirate King and still they didn't know he had a fruit? Of course they would. Even if they didnt have sea stone handcuffs there should Garp and Sengoku present to stop him from escaping, but no (not sure, maybe they might have been).

In the movie strong world, shiki had been imprisoned with sea stone, so he chopped of his legs to free from it and that was 22 years ago, a bit after rogers execution. So there has been sea stones.

 

[Holt]

Roger gave himself up (to garp). So escaping wasn't his intention.
He doesn't need a DF to be that strong. Just look at garp.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Roger gave himself up (to garp). So escaping wasn't his intention.
He doesn't need a DF to be that strong. Just look at garp.

Of course Garp respects and believes Roger, but what about Sengoku and the rest of the marines?

 

[Holt]

Garp would have convinced them. Because there's no other reason for only fodder marines being present and using wooden handcuffs on him.
Even without a DF, which average fighter in OP can't break wooden handcuffs?

 

[I Am Atomic]

Garp would have convinced them. Because there's no other reason for only fodder marines being present and using wooden handcuffs on him.
Even without a DF, which average fighter in OP can't break wooden handcuffs?

Hmm, you are right, after all it's Garp!

 

[ProGoddess]

From how I understood about Roger, he was ill and he gave himself up. It did not occur to me that he was in resistance to the Marines in order to escape. If that was so, why would he surrendered himself to them? On the day of his execution, he was seen to be smiling as he announced the existence of One Piece.

When he was in the prison, he had entrusted his wife and unborn child (Ace) to Garp, in that Garp would look after (and protect) the child. I guess many of us have already known - Garp has raised Ace like his own grandson.

On the part whether Roger has taken devil fruit or not, it seems like a little something untold. In fact during the time of Roger, there weren't many devil fruits users.

On the side note, if we look at the author's point of view, perhaps Roger being a devil fruit user or not isn't that important. At least it does not contribute much or hinder any part of the One Piece story.