Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 8

[De La Croissant]

I cant imagine it being better than Haikyuu!!.

Haikyuu!! is the real "pretty damn great" for me.

 

[xAsum0x]

Sharkbait's hyperbole aside, I really do believe that HZ has the potential to be a masterpiece/legacy Jump sports series along the lines of Slam Dunk, Rookies, or Eyeshield 21. It's pretty damn great so far, and I'm somebody who is way to cynical and critical of Jump series.

Good? Yes. Slam Dunk good? Nope dont see it.

 

[Leoat12]

Haikyuu!! is the best example of good execution from a sports manga, it is in pair with Slam Dunk for me.

 

[WyldViolet]

I don't quite understand all the praise for the series as I personally find it generic to a fault. It's not a bad series by any means, and has a really incredible art style and great panelwork and character designs, but the plot and characters are completely by the numbers, and the writing is relatively bland imo so it doesn't feel fresh at all and just like every other sports series I've read before.

 

[De La Croissant]

Haikyuu!! is the best example of good execution from a sports manga, it is in pair with Slam Dunk for me.

I think Haikyuu !! is great, but the Slam Dunk storytelling is something that I haven't yet seen anyone from Jump able to do the same. Inoue transported me into the basketball court.

I don't quite understand all the praise for the series as I personally find it generic to a fault. It's not a bad series by any means, and has a really incredible art style and great panelwork and character designs, but the plot and characters are completely by the numbers, and the writing is relatively bland imo so it doesn't feel fresh at all and just like every other sports series I've read before.

And Hinomaru, on the other hand... ?

 

[James Rye]

I don't quite understand all the praise for the series as I personally find it generic to a fault. It's not a bad series by any means, and has a really incredible art style and great panelwork and character designs, but the plot and characters are completely by the numbers, and the writing is relatively bland imo so it doesn't feel fresh at all and just like every other sports series I've read before.

Same could be said about parts of Bokuhero with its shounen cliches played by the number, etc and look how amazingly that one is doing.

 

[Leoat12]

For me (Be careful! It is my opinion! XD), sports mangas don't have to invent, they have to show the best of the sport like it is, not like Kuroko no Basket, for example, which looks like more Dragon Ball than Basketball. Slam Dunk was perfect showing the games from the vision of the players, all the feelings that happens inside the court, and, most important, the real basketball being played. This is sports manga for me, not series that make fancy things to let the sport more "interesting". If you visit my manga list, you will see there isn't almost any sports manga there because the majority of them today don't fit my vision of sports manga.
Haikyuu is one that fits and I'm enjoying it a lot.

That's all.

 

[De La Croissant]

It's the old story: it's not WHAT you do, but HOW you do.

 

[Leoat12]

I think Haikyuu !! is great, but the Slam Dunk storytelling is something that I haven't yet seen anyone from Jump able to do the same. Inoue transported me into the basketball court.

Haikyuu has yet to have its best games, it is doing great so far, but the author always saves the best to the end. XD
Yes, that's what I said bove. You have to feel like you are inside the court. Haikyuu makes feel this way as well.

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It's the old story: it's not WHAT you do, but HOW you do.

Only facts in this post.
It can sound strange, but the difference between a crappy manga and a masterpiece is short, you are talking about details here.

 

[WyldViolet]

I think Haikyuu !! is great, but the Slam Dunk storytelling is something that I haven't yet seen anyone from Jump able to do the same. Inoue transported me into the basketball court.



And Hinomaru, on the other hand... ?

Is incredibly fresh and has an energy and atmosphere to it that is severely lacking in Haikyuu.

 

[Lehran]

Sharkbait's hyperbole aside, I really do believe that HZ has the potential to be a masterpiece/legacy Jump sports series along the lines of Slam Dunk, Rookies, or Eyeshield 21. It's pretty damn great so far, and I'm somebody who is way to cynical and critical of Jump series.

The problem is that, so far, its sales don't help it. Do you think it's possible for it to highly improve its sales? It sells just the same as Kurogane, Enigma and Magico did at the same point...

I'm saying that because, even if is ranks allow it to survive, it's unlikely that Shueisha will be interested in investing in the series if its sales don't get better.

Sales data:

Hinomaru Zumou volume 3: 27.002 (5 days)
Kurogane volume 3: 28.606 (5 days)
Enigma volume 3: 25.775 (3 days)
Magico volume 3: 23.857 (3 days)

Kuroko no Basket volume 3: 43.420 (3 days)
Haikyuu!! volume 3: 87.461 (4 days)

 

[WyldViolet]

The problem is that, so far, its sales don't help it. Do you think it's possible for it to highly improve its sales? It sells just the same as Kurogane and Enigma did at the same point...

I'm asking that because, even if is ranks allow it to survive, it's unlikely that Shueisha will be interested in investing in the series if its sales don't get better.

I think it's definitely possible with a good anime adaptation.

 

[Leoat12]

I think it's definitely possible with a good anime adaptation.

A good anime adaptation depends on the success that the series got until that point. Series got good studios and good budget because they are already popular before the anime.

 

[perroloco]

Guys, if you think about it sports manga isn't even about the sport..
It's about the characters, their motivations, stories, relationship between the characters, etc.
Captain Tsubasa, Prince of Tennis, Ring ni Kakero and outside Jump Inazuma eleven CAN'T be called sports lol, I think Kuroko no Basket is also exaggerated?
Anyway, what I mean is that the core of sports manga is character's development, I think, because let's face it, most sport manga aren't really original and follow a tournament arc (or variation like Yowamushi Pedal) were 2 forces meet and confront each other.
For example Slam Dunk could very well have been a soccer manga, of course some modifications would have been made, but the important part is Hanamichi would still be a goofy character that wants to impress the girl he likes so he joins the soccer club, there he meets his rival (Rukawa) and yada yada yada..

 

[Schabrak]

A good anime adaptation depends on the success that the series got until that point. Series got good studios and good budget because they are already popular before the anime.

Not really, you are talking about a equation that's just not true. Examples are One Piece and World Trigger. Sales have little[or rather nearly nothing] to do with the end result of the anime, it's depending on the studio willing to adapt and their budget allocation.

 

[vampire killer]

A good anime adaptation depends on the success that the series got until that point. Series got good studios and good budget because they are already popular before the anime.

jojo's bizarre adventure first season has very low budget for manga that have sold 90 million copies

 

[Schabrak]

Guys, if you think about it sports manga isn't even about the sport..
It's about the characters, their motivations, stories, relationship between the characters, etc.

As Maxy Barnard has made it clear often enough, it's about Friendship, effort and victory. :P

 

[Leoat12]

Not really, you are talking about a equation that's just not true. Examples are One Piece and World Trigger. Sales have little[or rather nearly nothing] to do with the end result of the anime, it's depending on the studio willing to adapt and their budget allocation.

I think One Piece anime is fairly good, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
World Trigger wasn't popular when the anime started, we discussed it here many times.

A good studio will not want to make an anime, even less put a high budget in it, when they are not sure that it is going to make success. A manga that is already popular has more chances to have a popular anime. Bigger profit with less risk. If you are saying that it is wrong, you are saying that the capitalism is wrong in how make money. There are cases where even with a high budget, an anime studio manages to make something bad, in this case we don't ahve much to talk...

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jojo's bizarre adventure first season has very low budget for manga that have sold 90 million copies

The new verison that debuted in 2012? Man, it doesn't look like, the animation was great. The studio really did its job well.

 

[WyldViolet]

I think One Piece anime is fairly good, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
World Trigger wasn't popular when the anime started, we discussed it here many times.

A good studio will not want to make an anime, even less put a high budget in it, when they are not sure that it is going to make success. A manga that is already popular has more chances to have a popular anime. Bigger profit with less risk. If you are saying that it is wrong, you are saying that the capitalism is wrong in how make money. There are cases where even with a high budget, an anime studio manages to make something bad, in this case we don't ahve much to talk...

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The new verison that debuted in 2012? Man, it doesn't look like, the animation was great. The studio really did its job well.

The animation was anything but great.
It has great direction all around which helped mask the low budget, and is a testament to it's a proper team that makes a good anime, rather than whichever studio has the most money.

 

[Nayrael]

The new verison that debuted in 2012? Man, it doesn't look like, the animation was great. The studio really did its job well.

Nope, it is not technically good. There are countless stills, rough animations and a large focus on comic style.
thankfully, something doesn't need to be expensive or technically amazing to look amazing in practice. Countless stills, rough animations and a large focus on comic style actually make it look great and very fitting to the JoJo franchise. It is a great showcase of how skilled the studio is and how much they love JoJo.