Discussion Ranking the Sins

[Demonspeed]

Durability is a murky issue all around. Meliodas has his demon based regenerative abilities. Ban is effectively immortal and has infinite stamina. Diane is a giant that can seemingly survive being pierced, in this regard she did better than meliodas when gilthunder attacked him. Gowther's body is not real... Given fraudrin's intervention we can't even tell to what extent being stabbed affected him. King is supposedly weak but he took helbram's slash rather well and survived being thrown around by helbram. Merlin is supposedly physically weak. We know nothin of escanor. With that in mind, ban is not particularly durable either. If he takes damage he will simply regenerate. Its not like he can take the damage or go otherwise unaffected by it. I guess it depends on what exactly you consider durability...

Yeah, I should have not used durability. I used it referring to Meliodas and Diane then put all of them together, what I wanted to say is that, the Sins Meliodas, Diane, Ban and Gowther can take deadly hits much more easily than King, who has no healing powers or a body making him particularly durable compared to the others, Merlin has very powerful barriers, and Teleportation. He is the most vulnerable of the Sins so far against opponents of his level, Helbram only managed to hit him with slaps because he was not serious at this time, the four I cited would be even less affected by that. Gowther was pierced by break and the hole was still visible when Dreyfus awakened.

 

[overlordpringerx]

Yeah, I should have not used durability. I used it referring to Meliodas and Diane then put all of them together, what I wanted to say is that, the Sins Meliodas, Diane, Ban and Gowther can take deadly hits much more easily than King, who has no healing powers or a body making him particularly durable compared to the others, Merlin has very powerful barriers, and Teleportation. He is the most vulnerable of the Sins so far against opponents of his level, Helbram only managed to hit him with slaps because he was not serious at this time, the four I cited would be even less affected by that. Gowther was pierced by break and the hole was still visible when Dreyfus awakened.

Yeah, he was not fighting seriously, but that doesnt change the fact that he was being smashed and crushed to the ground with full force. Only once Diane was healed did he actually block Helbram's attacks.

 

[Holt]

The generic invasion we have seen has never frozen targets. We only saw that with dreyfus on whom gowther used a presumably more powerful technique and on guila IIRC. I doubt just hitting her with a normal arrow would leave her incapacitated for even a short while. Its true she will be a larger target but her defense would also be increased.

When gowther used invasion on demon dale, didn't he freeze?

I doubt ban has to be still to use his ability... we have seen him move to use a number of techniques so far.

Hmm, I don't really recall him moving so much when he uses his ability. He doesn't completely stop or anything but it seems he doesn't use it while moving too much.

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Edinburg is finally done and we got a taste of Escanor in action. Rank is now:
Meliodas
Escanor
Merlin
King
Gowther
Ban
Diane

Swapped Merlin and Escanor. I thought Merlin might still have tricks but considering she teamed up with gowther to take out Escanor, I doubt she can handle him on her own. Escanor and Mel isn't so clear cut either but Mel still probably has a slight edge. Kings position is well deserved and Merlin being above him is also very debatable but I'll leave it like that. The others are still the same and are yet to show impressive feats to make me reconsider the ranking.

 

[overlordpringerx]

Reported the above post.

What? What did I say?

 

[Demonspeed]

Edinburg is finally done and we got a taste of Escanor in action. Rank is now:
Meliodas
Escanor
Merlin
King
Gowther
Ban
Diane

Swapped Merlin and Escanor. I thought Merlin might still have tricks but considering she teamed up with gowther to take out Escanor, I doubt she can handle him on her own. Escanor and Mel isn't so clear cut either but Mel still probably has a slight edge. Kings position is well deserved and Merlin being above him is also very debatable but I'll leave it like that. The others are still the same and are yet to show impressive feats to make me reconsider the ranking.

No... Don't put Diane below Ban... I know she has not been amazing lately but she is still a Sin with her Sacred Treasure...

As for Escanor, I know it can't be helped since he was epic in the last Edinburgh special but I don't believe he is as strong as people think. The Vampires were not a threat to the Sins, even Izraf despite his PL IMO(which was so high because of his spell). They, and particularly Izraf have been used as hype tool, just like Doget when Nakaba introduced Power Levels and confirmed all the Sins have PL above 3000. I can't take an opponent who was unable to kill weak Escanor swiftly as a serious threat, and all the Sins have been much more impressive than he is, any of them would beat him with ease IMO. Day form Escanor was obviously 3000+ during this fight but his PL should not be considerably above the other Sins since he was not at his peak, what I got from this chapter is that is Magic is mysterious and its attributes make it more dangerous than Hellblaze. Merlin amplified Blackout but it was the best thing to do since Escanor is an ally, Blackout renders people unconscious.

Escanor must be N.2 when he is at his peak, when he is not, that's a different story, Meliodas is indisputably the strongest of the Sins. Regarding Merlin, it should be noted that there are plenty of broken spells she can use, it's possible to dodge her Teleportation but she can still use it on herself and she has a magics like Absolute Cancel, powerful magic barriers and Perfect Cube, which is even better than Full Counter.

For me it's:

Meliodas
Escanor(only at his peak)
King(due to the hype recent chapters but I could still place Merlin there, she can do a lot of things to beat him with her powers)
Merlin
Gowther
Diane
Ban

 

[Holt]

Spoiler

... Don't put Diane below Ban... I know she has not been amazing lately but she is still a Sin with her Sacred Treasure...

As for Escanor, I know it can't be helped since he was epic in the last Edinburgh special but I don't believe he is as strong as people think. The Vampires were not a threat to the Sins, even Izraf despite his PL IMO(which was so high because of his spell). They, and particularly Izraf have been used as hype tool, just like Doget when Nakaba introduced Power Levels and confirmed all the Sins have PL above 3000. I can't take an opponent who was unable to kill weak Escanor swiftly as a serious threat, and all the Sins have been much more impressive than he is, any of them would beat him with ease IMO. Day form Escanor was obviously 3000+ during this fight but his PL should not be considerably above the other Sins since he was not at his peak, what I got from this chapter is that is Magic is mysterious and its attributes make it more dangerous than Hellblaze. Merlin amplified Blackout but it was the best thing to do since Escanor is an ally, Blackout renders people unconscious.

Escanor must be N.2 when he is at his peak, when he is not, that's a different story, Meliodas is indisputably the strongest of the Sins. Regarding Merlin, it should be noted that there are plenty of broken spells she can use, it's possible to dodge her Teleportation but she can still use it on herself and she has a magics like Absolute Cancel, powerful magic barriers and Perfect Cube, which is even better than Full Counter.

For me it's:

Meliodas
Escanor(only at his peak)
King(due to the hype recent chapters but I could still place Merlin there, she can do a lot of things to beat him with her powers)
Merlin
Gowther
Diane
Ban

Well in Edinburg, Ban could snatch enough strength for Diane to struggle against vampires. That isn't enough but its quite noteworthy. I'm also ranking him assuming he has his ST.
As for Escanor, I'm not entirely basing it on his battle with Izraf but on Merlin's comments as well. I also think he and Mel are a lot closer. For starters, I'm not quite sure full counter works on Escanor's ability (since its sunshine). Its basically light and it doesn't seem there's anything to counter in that regard. His ability also seems to do substantial damage even to beings that regenerate (like vampires), so it should be quite formidable even against demon powers. He's kinda like Mel or a demons worst matchup IMO and he seems to have quite an amount of raw power too. I believe Mel will still edge out slightly superior but it is a very close call to me.

King and Merlin is quite debatable (due to recent events) as you said, but I think Merlin still has the edge. Her teleportation is quite handy. Heck she can probably just teleport chastefiol away for example and then King is basically a sitting duck.

The ranking here is supposed to consider the sins at their best, so that means with ST and whatever other form is plausible (Mel's demon from, Escanor's day form etc).

 

[lightningsha]

For me it's:
Meliodas
Escanor(only at his peak)
King(due to the hype recent chapters but I could still place Merlin there, she can do a lot of things to beat him with her powers)
Merlin
Gowther
Diane
Ban

This is pretty much my current assessment on the Sin's power rankings fit to a T. I also agree with others there is a fuzzyness between King/Merlin and Ban/Diane. That being, they can be easily swapped with each other with a sound argument based on what we've seen or can deduce with some confidence so far. We also have to keep in mind now Ban is the last Sin we have yet to see without his ST, so that might have to be accounted for a bit. Again, we can't assess what we've haven't seen, so bottom 2 he will remain for now. Even Gowther can be argued amongst the rankings of the bottom three.

Meliodas
***
Escanor
**
King
~~
Merlin
*
Gowther
~
Diane
~~
Ban


*=how sure we are, ~=how vague it seems

 

[Demonspeed]

Well in Edinburg, Ban could snatch enough strength for Diane to struggle against vampires. That isn't enough but its quite noteworthy. I'm also ranking him assuming he has his ST.
As for Escanor, I'm not entirely basing it on his battle with Izraf but on Merlin's comments as well. I also think he and Mel are a lot closer. For starters, I'm not quite sure full counter works on Escanor's ability (since its sunshine). Its basically light and it doesn't seem there's anything to counter in that regard. His ability also seems to do substantial damage even to beings that regenerate (like vampires), so it should be quite formidable even against demon powers. He's kinda like Mel or a demons worst matchup IMO and he seems to have quite an amount of raw power too. I believe Mel will still edge out slightly superior but it is a very close call to me.

King and Merlin is quite debatable (due to recent events) as you said, but I think Merlin still has the edge. Her teleportation is quite handy. Heck she can probably just teleport chastefiol away for example and then King is basically a sitting duck.

The ranking here is supposed to consider the sins at their best, so that means with ST and whatever other form is plausible (Mel's demon from, Escanor's day form etc).

I am sure that Ban is stronger than Diane if he has his ST but none of the Sins shown the full extent of their abilities, Ban used only a few techniques with his ST or a fitting weapons, we just learnt that all STs have special abilities. No one could have guessed that King's PL could rise this much and some Sins don't control their powers.

Sunshine is his Magic so he should be able to reflect it.

 

[overlordpringerx]

Is no one paying attention to what I write???

I am. And I think you're right. The vampire King was strong, yes, but only slightly stronger than Merlin, so beating him was not that hard, especially since Escanor had the same advantage over him that squirtle has over charmander.

 

[Holt]

I am sure that Ban is stronger than Diane if he has his ST but none of the Sins shown the full extent of their abilities, Ban used only a few techniques with his ST or a fitting weapons, we just learnt that all STs have special abilities. No one could have guessed that King's PL could rise this much and some Sins don't control their powers.

Sunshine is his Magic so he should be able to reflect it.

Well yeah that's my point. I think Ban with his ST should be stronger.

As for sunshine, its mostly light right? Plus it doesn't seem to have a specific focus. Well just my opinion, it just doesn't exactly seem like something that can be reflected. When Hendricksen used dark nebula and the dark attacks, could Mel counter them? I don't quite remember but if he could, then he can counter sunshine but if he couldn't, then its likely he can't counter sunshine.

 

[Pietro]

I was right when I said that Escanor was the strongest of the sin.
In my order:
Escanor
Merlin
Meliodas
King
Diane
Ban
Gowther

 

[kkck]

1.- Meliodas (with sacred treasure and demon form)
2.- Escanor (he seems to have significant plot relevance for some reason even beyond being a sin)
3.- Merlin (although her teleporting is a pain)
4.- King (although I think there is a chance that the actual full extent of his power puts him near meliodas)
5.- Ban (he is immortal but the people above just might be able to immobilize him)
6.- Diane (although she might be able to immobilize ban)
7.- Gowther (his abilities are not really good for combat).

Well, the only change in my ranking would be moving escanor to second place. Although there are still a number of things worth considering here.

Meliodas should definitely have power even above the commandments. I get the impression that the manga hints at something happening or changing about meliodas' true power. Anyways, he should eventually be able to fight on par with them.

King's sacred treasure ability is IMO being able to forcibly draw more, if not all, of the power of the tree. Or bringing the tree into this worl perhaps. The time we saw him use it he did not even seem sure that it would work and it raised his power to about twice that of an albion. And even then it seemed liked just using this was stressful enough to cause him physical harm. If he can master his release and use the full extent of his sacred treasure then I wouldn't be surprised if he could match a commandment on his own eventually. There is also the fact that we have no idea of what his ability does in relation to his control of the sacred tree and chastiefol.

Escanor seems to be absurdly powerful and he seems to have a sacred treasure ability too. Who knows what we can expect from this....

With ban the situation is a tad more difficult. His ability has shown to be very versatile and provide powerful offensive abilities. Not sure of what his sacred treasure would do.... Anyways, if he is given the power of the sins then he would obviously be the strongest one. In the edinburg vampire thing we saw him take diane's and king's strength... If that consider's most of their magic and strength than at the time he should have easily been stronger than good old demon hendrickson. I mean, assuming he added half of diane's strength and magic and most of king's magic (which is where most of his over 3000 PL will be at) to his power level above 3000 its remarkably easy to get to the 5500 power level. I guess the issue is ban getting all that power in the middle of a battle considering it takes him a bit to steal strength.

I still think gowther's abilities are in general not suited for combat. He has low strength and his high magic stat does not seem to back up any offensive magical abilities. He has his mind tricks but even with those he has enough trouble fighting a tiny diane with no sacred treasure.

 

[overlordpringerx]

After the recent Edinburgh chapter I would say that King, Escanor and Meliodas are the strongest sins. King has had a lot of build-up and development, and I'm pretty sure his power level works in a similar way to Escanor's. Escanor we have seen is a beast, and Mel is the central character, though lately King has become more of a main character.

 

[Demonspeed]

What do you think are Ban and King's Power Levels? Nakaba confirmed that King is the weakest physically so he has less than 25 in Strength?

 

[kkck]

What do you think are Ban and King's Power Levels? Nakaba confirmed that King is the weakest physically so he has less than 25 in Strength?

Well, merlin is a 70... Which is obviously not much, it seems to be he amount of stregnth that a really low level holy knight could have. Hawk has 25 and that is enough to easily defeat a normal human. If anything 25 would not be too insignificant next to a holy knight apprentice. Helbram made the point that king had less power than a regular human a while back which means that hawk's 25 is enough to easily beat him. So I would expect king to have less than 10 power. If we assume a normal person has a PL of 5 then king would be even below that. Back when hawk got the eye we saw 3 power levels, one of a holy knight apprentice and two for knights. The HKA had 145 and the other 2 had 45 and 37. As knights they probably had above average strength however we can make the case that their power levels suggest an average of 10 and 15 for each stat for normal knights. So yeah, less than 5 for king's strength kinda makes sense. I expect his magic to be comparable to merlin's though.

 

[Holt]

Yeah sounds right. Overall Power level, king might be somewhere around 3,400-3,800. His spirit should be quite high and same for his magic. Ban on the other hand should have somewhere between 3,100-3,200. He should be beneath Mel overall in stat. In terms of base stat ranking, I think its Merlin, king, Mel, Ban, Diane, Gowther, Escanor.

 

[Sajuukkhar]

In terms of total power level, and not individual stats.

1. Escanor(peak) / Demon Mel
2. Merlin
3. Normal Mel
4. King
5. Diane
6. Ban
7. Gowther
8. Escanor(night time)

 

[overlordpringerx]

In terms of total power level, and not individual stats.

1. Escanor(peak) / Demon Mel
2. Merlin
3. Normal Mel
4. King
5. Diane
6. Ban
7. Gowther
8. Escanor(night time)

pretty sure King is more powerful than regular Mel. For a moment he was even slightly more powerful than demon Mel.

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What do you think are Ban and King's Power Levels? Nakaba confirmed that King is the weakest physically so he has less than 25 in Strength?

when?

 

[Holt]

Why would King be stronger than Demon Mel? Mel's power was still growing. Also, king only hits 5 digits for some seconds, Mel remained in his form for quite some time.

 

[overlordpringerx]

Why would King be stronger than Demon Mel? Mel's power was still growing. Also, king only hits 5 digits for some seconds, Mel remained in his form for quite some time.

I said King is stronger than regular Mel, not Demon Mel. I doubt he is stronger than demon Mel, but he might also have a powered up version too that puts him at the same level as demon Mel. Like 'winged-Harlequin' or something. I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure he is at least one of the 3 strongest sins. That might just be me though.