Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[RafaFedKilla]

With the poor sales of Hinomaru Zumou, its position in this TOC is worrisome. If it continues like that, it will be cancelled in no time. Don't have anything to comment about WT, it couldn't be worse...

Yeah, people like to act like sales and TOC are independent of each other but they are not. If Shueisha isn't making money on tanks it will start influencing it's TOC position.

 

[Leoat12]

Yeah, people like to act like sales and TOC are independent of each other but they are not. If Shueisha isn't making money on tanks it will start influencing it's TOC position.

It is not independent in any way. Normally it is this way:
Good sales = Good position
Bad sales = Bad position
It makes sense, Hinomaru Zumou was an exception so far, for some reason, but it seems that it is losing strength with so many good series to compete.
If it had good sales, it could last a little longer, but with poor sales, there is no reason to keep it to see whether it is going to succed or not.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Hinomaru Zumou ... ,but it seems that it is losing strength with so many good series to compete.

Let's forget Hinomaru Zumou previous rankings, shall we? 2 weeks ago it even got in 3rd place!
Getting 1 time in the bottom means nothing! Also remember that this bottom is still not confirmed.

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Yeah, people like to act like sales and TOC are independent of each other but they are not. If Shueisha isn't making money on tanks it will start influencing it's TOC position.

There is a big difference between INDEPENDENT and EQUIVALENT/DEPENDENT!
The 2 are INDIRECTLY RELATED, mainly because both show a subset/perspective of the Popularity of the Titles.

The TOC has more to do with Popularity in the Magazine. Of course the Editor in Chief also takes in consideration all the other aspects of the franchise(not only volume sales).
The volume sales has more to do with Popularity in the manga collecting industry.

 

[Leoat12]

Let's forget Hinomaru Zumou previous rankings, shall we? 2 weeks ago it even got in 3rd place!
Getting 1 time in the bottom means nothing! Also remember that this bottom is still not confirmed.

Toc is legit - World Trigger is not absent in the upcoming issue. WT is not on hiatus, however it will have more breaks in the near future

It seems it is legit...

 

[Bigivelfhq]

It seems it is legit...

And ...?
The main point was that it just 1st time in that position, and that the losing strength comment for now is total bullshit!

 

[DoctorApollo]

Jump's oversaturation only makes it hard for mediocre series to break in. A good series would have no problem getting in, evidenced by BnH's success.

At the end of the day Jump is read by millions and if something new and amazing showed up in those pages, the world will acknowledge it, the way it has been doing for years. Doesn't matter if there's slightly less room, does anyonw actually care about the next series that gets cancelled in twelve weeks? The real series we care about, the ones with potential for success, are going to manage no matter how many stable old series there are.

 

[conankudo]

Chinese spoiler porvider says the bottom 5 seems to be fake since the source is not the usual person.

 

[Lehran]

The main reason for that bottom 5 to be possibly fake isn't even the different source, it's the fact that Bleach isn't on it.

I also hope it's fake, Kagamigami doesn't deserve that position. I strongly wish Iwashiro has finally found the key to success with that series.

 

[Xzone]

If kagamigami is a hit or not doesn't matter to me (Like BC , the YOKO dance series or gakkyu hottei) but if it's a hit I will continue reading and still happy for the author.

Also , I think the TOC posted is fake (I see kagamigami in the bottom 5 but no in the bottom 2 or 3)

 

[Leoat12]

conankudo was the only that brought a solid argument for the possible fakness of the TOC. The others are saying: "It is fake because the series I like is there."

And ...?
The main point was that it just 1st time in that position, and that the losing strength comment for now is total bullshit!

It doesn't mean nothing like you said because you don't see successful series in the bottom. It means that the popularity of the series is starting wavering... A series that gets in the bottom doesn't get in the bottom only once, normally.

 

[Xzone]

conankudo was the only that brought a solid argument for the possible fakness of the TOC. The others are saying: "It is fake because the series I like is there."

First:The 99% of news series who is in the Bottom 2 was in the last week or 3 last week in the bottom 5, the only exception was Dogashi Kaden who has only a decent first ranking.This some examples :
Gintama: 10(Bottom 5) 6 13(Bottom 5) 12(Bottom 5) 12(Bottom 2) 15(Bottom 2)
Live: 11(Bottom 5) 15(Last) 15(Last and end)
Taiwahen: 8 15(Bottom 5) 13(Bottom 2) 16(Bottom 2) 15(Bottom 2) 14(Bottom 2)
Waq Waq: 9(Bottom 7) CP 13(Bottom 5) 14(last) 11(Bottom 2) 14(last)
Bokke-sam: 10(Bottom 7) 11(Bottom 5) 13(Bottom 2) 13(Bottom 5) CP 12(Bottom 5)
Ping pong: 8 15(Bottom 5) 13(Bottom 5) 16(Bottom 2) 16(last) 16(Last)
Dogashi Kaden: 8 15(Last) last last last

Second: World trigger still absent, in the previews page one person said it false but we don't know it is true or not.

3th: Is UBS #9 say something of final? the mayority of series axed we now it will be finish (Gakkyu Hottei or Stealth symphony talk about the last arc or final)

4th:It doesn't have bleach, Gintama , nisekoi and yes Hinomaru zumou, it something suspicious, usually jump put series like this and put HZ in the middle.

5th: Usually we got troll TOC with WT in the bottom for trolling, I remember 2 or 3 with the same position and after WT was in the middle.

I have other clue, but I don't talk more because if the toc is real or not it matter nothing, I'm not crying because people don't like the series who like me. Also nobody talk about ""It is fake because the series I like is there" without proves, also in this page one person talk about "I wish this is fake" and I talk about it's fake because I don't remember title with a down to bottom 7 to bottom 2.

 

[Leoat12]

First:The 99% of news series who is in the Bottom 2 was in the last week or 3 last week in the bottom 5, the only exception was Dogashi Kaden who has only a decent first ranking.This some examples :
Gintama: 10(Bottom 5) 6 13(Bottom 5) 12(Bottom 5) 12(Bottom 2) 15(Bottom 2)
Live: 11(Bottom 5) 15(Last) 15(Last and end)
Taiwahen: 8 15(Bottom 5) 13(Bottom 2) 16(Bottom 2) 15(Bottom 2) 14(Bottom 2)
Waq Waq: 9(Bottom 7) CP 13(Bottom 5) 14(last) 11(Bottom 2) 14(last)
Bokke-sam: 10(Bottom 7) 11(Bottom 5) 13(Bottom 2) 13(Bottom 5) CP 12(Bottom 5)
Ping pong: 8 15(Bottom 5) 13(Bottom 5) 16(Bottom 2) 16(last) 16(Last)
Dogashi Kaden: 8 15(Last) last last last

Second: World trigger still absent, in the previews page one person said it false but we don't know it is true or not.

3th: Is UBS #9 say something of final? the mayority of series axed we now it will be finish (Gakkyu Hottei or Stealth symphony talk about the last arc or final)

4th:It doesn't have bleach, Gintama , nisekoi and yes Hinomaru zumou, it something suspicious, usually jump put series like this and put HZ in the middle.

5th: Usually we got troll TOC with WT in the bottom for trolling, I remember 2 or 3 with the same position and after WT was in the middle.

I have other clue, but I don't talk more because if the toc is real or not it matter nothing, I'm not crying because people don't like the series who like me. Also nobody talk about ""It is fake because the series I like is there" without proves, also in this page one person talk about "I wish this is fake" and I talk about it's fake because I don't remember title with a down to bottom 7 to bottom 2.

1st: There is an exception, so it is not 100% sure and I doubt that it is 99%, you didn't see all series to make this percentage.

2nd: It is not absent. The WT official twitter tweeted that it will have more breaks because of the author health issues, but it is NOT absent in this issue.

3rd: If the author is able to end or not, it doesn't matter for the editors.

4th You don't have any base to say this. Gintama fluctuates between middle and bottom, Nisekoi hardly is in the bottom, Bleach is the only that could be there, but it can be above Hinomaru.

5th: Did I lose something? I never saw this happening here.

 

[Bluenotebook]

I remember the World Trigger troll ToCs

 

[Xzone]

1st: There is an exception, so it is not 100% sure and I doubt that it is 99%, you didn't see all series to make this percentage.

2nd: It is not absent. The WT official twitter tweeted that it will have more breaks because of the author health issues, but it is NOT absent in this issue.

3rd: If the author is able to end or not, it doesn't matter for the editors.

4th You don't have any base to say this. Gintama fluctuates between middle and bottom, Nisekoi hardly is in the bottom, Bleach is the only that could be there, but it can be above Hinomaru.

5th: Did I lose something? I never saw this happening here.

First: "I think it fake because" =/ "It's fake because" I put the exception because it was a probability but the exception was with a series who doesnt rank bad in his first issue for lucky and not for a series who the last week was the first time who was near to the bottom.
And "There is an exception" is not a solid argument, for the same thing we have to justify all argument even "that series isn't a Hit because series we have a series who have good sales and got axed"...

Second:For the same thing, I don't say this is 100% confirmed(I write "we don't know it is true or not"), I see the twitter and we don't now it's refering to the last issue or that issue, if it doesn't abscent good, if it not ok.

3rd: And? I don't say that, I say "say something of final in the last chapter?" not "The author is the only who finish the series" The editor talk to the author week before the axed to finish the manga, so the author in the last issue has put something to put the next chapter is the final or in the last page write anything about that

4th: Gintama is in low position with exception.Nisekoi is the five dont axed(the four if we don't count UBS) worst series of 2015 in rankings , it's not because votes , it's because it the first election to go to the bottom if it doesn't have pillows(the order is : bleach-gintama- nisekoi-hinomaru/toriko).
And that funny "Nisekoi it's hardly in the bottom" it's an argument to prove Hinomaru zumou is in the bottom,but a series who has ¿one? time in the bottom it's a fact , but hey the argument of "because the series I like" only is for the other.

5th: I remember one fake posted in 2ch , that's a joke because the user was a hater of WT and that the last post, and that you say "There is an exception" that not important if the situation are different like kagamigami and Dogashi Kaden.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

conankudo was the only that brought a solid argument for the possible fakness of the TOC. The others are saying: "It is fake because the series I like is there."

It doesn't mean nothing like you said because you don't see successful series in the bottom. It means that the popularity of the series is starting wavering... A series that gets in the bottom doesn't get in the bottom only once, normally.

Haikyuu!! and Nisekoi

TOC 2013 #40
BOTTOM 5(not counting Ginga Patrol Jaco)

Hime Dol!!
Ginga Patrol Jaco
Nisekoi
Kochikame
Soul Catcher(s)
Haikyuu!!


Haikyuu!! right now is the 4th best ranked series in the magazine! Nisekoi is in the Top middle. Some instances in the bottom means nothing if the series mainly has good rankings.

 

[Leoat12]

Haikyuu!! and Nisekoi

TOC 2013 #40
BOTTOM 5(not counting Ginga Patrol Jaco)

Hime Dol!!
Ginga Patrol Jaco
Nisekoi
Kochikame
Soul Catcher(s)
Haikyuu!!


Haikyuu!! right now is the 4th best ranked series in the magazine! Nisekoi is in the Top middle. Some instances in the bottom means nothing if the series mainly has good rankings.

Issue #40/2013 (http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/2013/08/28/)

Soul Catcher(s)
Haikyû!!
Kochi Kame
Beelzebub
Smoky B.B.

I found strange Haikyuu in last since it was never in last, so it is the answer. Nisekoi was not in the bottom btw. Also, Haikkyu had a better sales at that time and already had more than one year of serialization. It was a period of bad moment for the series through 3 weeks and then it rose up and got Cover and Lead CP two issues later. Hinomaru Zumou is new and doesn't have high sales, Haikyuu was not new at that time and already had a good sales. It is like compare apples with bananas.

 

[SharkBait]

Issue #40/2013 (http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/2013/08/28/)

Soul Catcher(s)
Haikyû!!
Kochi Kame
Beelzebub
Smoky B.B.

I found strange Haikyuu in last since it was never in last, so it is the answer. Nisekoi was not in the bottom btw. Also, Haikkyu had a better sales at that time and already had more than one year of serialization. It was a period of bad moment for the series through 3 weeks and then it rose up and got Cover and Lead CP two issues later. Hinomaru Zumou is new and doesn't have high sales, Haikyuu was not new at that time and already had a good sales. It is like compare apples with bananas.

Banana Vs. Apple | http://www.livestrong.com/article/445004-banana-vs-apple/

 

[101nemesis]

So after 3 pages of discussions, I have to ask.
The bottom spoiler is right or wrong? :P

Banana Vs. Apple | http://www.livestrong.com/article/445004-banana-vs-apple/

Banana. Always.
Or just ask the minions.

 

[CallMeTsuyu]

I have my suspicions about the legitimacy of this supposed "bottom 5", but I'll abstain from making any sort of egregious claims since said suspicions are based purely on gut feeling.

I have to ask though. Granted the bottom 5 rankings are legitimate, does it really matter at present? I was under the impression that would be, more or less, a concern once the new series start ranking. Not to downplay the possibly detrimental position faced by some of these new series(Kagamigami, UBS) and veteran series(WT, Bleach) alike, but I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of the new series, if not all of them, provided a little bit of cushion to allow them to survive. I'm not sure how volatile rankings are for bottom mid to bottom 5, but I'd say there's also that to consider.

Also, are spin-off series ranked after the standard 8 week period? Supposedly, the Naruto spin-off series is supposed to last 10 chapters, so I was curious if ranking was a possibility.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Issue #40/2013 (http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/2013/08/28/)

Soul Catcher(s)
Haikyû!!
Kochi Kame
Beelzebub
Smoky B.B.

I found strange Haikyuu in last since it was never in last, so it is the answer. Nisekoi was not in the bottom btw. Also, Haikkyu had a better sales at that time and already had more than one year of serialization. It was a period of bad moment for the series through 3 weeks and then it rose up and got Cover and Lead CP two issues later. Hinomaru Zumou is new and doesn't have high sales, Haikyuu was not new at that time and already had a good sales. It is like compare apples with bananas.

my error! Is issue 42! Go look for it!

What the hell are you talking about? You said that a popular series never got in the Bottom. I proved you wrong.

Hinomaru Zumou in the bottom still not proven and is only the 1st time if the TOC is true. So your comment about it being loosing its strength is stupid. It has nothing to do with comparing it with Haikyuu and sales.