Discussion Kaido Thread

[keeper1h]

Re: Kaido's Ability

I was thinking that Kaido ate no Devil Fruit, or else he would have died by drowning, but now I find your theory plausible: Kaido can fly by some means, maybe it's brute strenght, maybe a Devil Fruit.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

The reason Kin might hold a grudge against dragons is most likely tied to Wano being terrorized by a dragon, before Ryuma defeated it and killed it. This is found in Oda's oneshot, called Monsters, where Ryuma, who looks a lot like Zoro, kills a Dragon.After doing so he became the hero of the island which most likely is now Wano. It was confirmed by Oda in the SBS that the Ryuma in the oneshot is the same Ryuma in the Thriller bark arc, effectively linking both stories. Ryuma is Wano's hero, and given how the story went in Monsters, it's because he saved the island (Wa no Kuni) from a dragon.He's most likely going to get the same backstory, but hopefully some things will be changed, mainly his appearance.
I find that the reason people want to believe that Kaido is a Dragon DF user, is because he was on a sky island, thus they think the only way to explain it is that he can fly. However back in the Skypiea arc, Gan Fall revealed that there are two ways to reach the sky islands, and that is the knock up stream and the Summit of High West.We don't know what the latter is, but it at least confirms that there's another way to reach sky islands, other than the knock up stream.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

I wonder, although farfetched, that maybe Kaido was always powerful as hell but he only recently got the dragon df thus negating the kairoseki cuffs since he didn't have a df.

I was thinking that there has to be some way to manipulate or alter kairoseki. I mean how do they mold them into cuffs? Or a factory? Just because we don't know how kairoseki is manipulated doesn't mean it is impossible. Maybe Kaido's physical strength is strong enough to break them. Who knows

Third, I was thinking about Dragon. As in Monkey D. Dragon. Some people says that Dragon might be the one to possess the Mythical zoan dragon fruit. Personally I think he has some kind of wind-wind or storm-storm logia fruit but this is not where I will discuss that. What I am getting at is maybe, just maybe, that there are two forms of the rare mythical zoan dragon fruit. A western dragon (think maleficent dragon form from kingdom hearts) and an eastern one. Maybe there'll be a third, a hybrid of sorts one would say. Of course this is only speculations if he even has a fruit to begin with at all. It'd be surprising if he didn't possess one as so many of his underlings has one.

 

[Zehahaha]

Solid ass theory, I like it
Seems clear Kaido is connected to Wano at this point... I'd say your theory is correct

 

[kkck]

Cool theory about kaido being a dragon fruit user. My only issue with the idea is that when mononosuke flies cloud thingies appear at his feet, sort of as if he is walking on clouds or something. To me that kinda suggests that the ability to fly was indeed mononosuke's. However at least he was indeed being controlled by someone, presumably kaido (I used to think that was doflamingo with his puppet ability though). Assuming it is kaido then the implication would be that he somehow has control over the fruit made by vegapunk...

Another thing, a dragon fruit would not really account for kaido being able to control mononosuke. Then again whatever allowed him to do such a thing is probably not strictly related to his specific fruit... If kaido can control mononosuke like that then perhaps it would make sense that he can control all smile fruits. Maybe what fits kaido better is not a dragon fruit per say but rather a fruit that allows him to specifically control other beasts (which is an adaptation of a theory I had that doflamingo was planning to use his parasite along with the smile he was making to eventually take control of everyone who had eaten the fruit. Basically he was getting paid to build his own personal army).

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To add to that, isn't doflamingo the one that controlled mononosuke? In that image we see his glasses while mononosuke is being controlled. Whose voice does the anime show in that case, it might be indicative of something....

 

[Ichibei]

Maybe Kaido is the perfect cyborg, that is why nothing can kill him

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Just thought of something here. Kaido ssid "That damn whitebeard..." implying whitebeard can defeat him which made a good number of us think that whitebeard has in the past beaten the shit outta Kaido himself maybe more than once. Now...what if Roger and/or Rayleigh has done the same? I'm even open to Kishi beating him before too. Or garp/sengoku?

 

[Australopithecus]

To add to that, isn't doflamingo the one that controlled mononosuke? In that image we see his glasses while mononosuke is being controlled. Whose voice does the anime show in that case, it might be indicative of something....

First off, I would like to express my thanks to you and everyone else who read my theory. Thank you!

In my opinion, Momo was hallucinating due to hypoglycemia(lack of glucose/ blood sugar in bloodstream) because of the lack of food intake during several days.

 

[Copy Panda]

Just thought of something here. Kaido ssid "That damn whitebeard..." implying whitebeard can defeat him which made a good number of us think that whitebeard has in the past beaten the shit outta Kaido himself maybe more than once. Now...what if Roger and/or Rayleigh has done the same? I'm even open to Kishi beating him before too. Or garp/sengoku?

that's a lotta people - I think whitebeard could beat him, roger as well perhaps, sengoku could perhaps hold his own, I don't think garp and rayleigj should be able to deal with him

 

[Holt]

that's a lotta people - I think whitebeard could beat him, roger as well perhaps, sengoku could perhaps hold his own, I don't think garp and rayleigj should be able to deal with him

Garp was roger's rival and apparent equal. Doesn't make sense to say Roger could beat kaido but Garp couldn't. I don't think Rayleigh could have managed it though. Still, kaido has been defeated 7 times and captured more than twice that. Sengoku was the Fleet Admiral so he couldn't possibly be sailing the seas to capture Kaido. Garp on the other hand would have been perfect for that.

 

[Copy Panda]

wasn't talking about which people had the opportunity, just who could potentially beat him. idk I was thinking that if someone like Garp could do it, a vice admiral (i.e., admirals that get fielded and stuff), they might have attempted to take out someone of Kaidos stature. Eh he's old also. But, admittedly, I hriefly forgot about him being considered Rogers 'equal'.

also, considering his hobby, he might, more than once, be captured willingly.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Lets see. Garp was Roger's rival who was Whitebeard's rival. That one woman (sorry forgot her name, she is great buddies with Rayleigh) in the Sabaody archepelago said that Rayleigh is about 100 times stronger than you guys to the strawhats. Going by that statement which could have been said in a whim or possibly not, the question is, was Garp or Sengoku 100 times stronger than Luffy pretime skip? If not then Rayleigh is clearly superior, he wasn't even serious in fighting Kizaru. He hella swam to the amazonian kingdom. He personally stopped thousands of marines from pursuing the Strawhats. He deserves more credit in terms of strength. Given this argument I think he could have been one of the persons to have defeated Kaido in the past. I am willing to bet that while he was probably not as strong as Roger, I think he is pretty damn close.

 

[Copy Panda]

hm maybe his moniker 'the dark king' stems from being close to roger in that regard (roger being the king etc)

either way there are plenty people who could fight and hold their own, but lose. much less are there people who can fight and win against the yonko Id like to think

 

[karamm]

His long whisker-like mustache and scale tattoo are huge hints that he could have eaten a dragon DF. However, I dont think this has to do with how strong he is. We all know that when DF users are captured and executed, they are kept in kairoseki chains at all times. If in fact his toughness is because of his DF, then the kairoseki chains would have negated them and he would have died at the time.

Him wanting to commit suicide and it becoming a "hobby" is probably a way for him to test the limits of his own strength. So, drowning himself would be something he knows he would die of (if he wasnt an underwater breathing dragon).

Being defeated 7 or 8 times doesnt mean much. He could've been defeated at the beginning of his journey, and thanks to his resilience he was able to continue.

 

[Deleted member 182576]

is it kaido or kaidou?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

is it kaido or kaidou?

It's the same, the o is long, so Kaidou is more accurate.

 

[Zehahaha]

Being defeated 7 or 8 times doesnt mean much. He could've been defeated at the beginning of his journey, and thanks to his resilience he was able to continue.

I don't think that happened at the beginning of his journey, we don't know when the Yonko concept appeared in OPverse, it's obviously post Roger's execution, and judging from Kaido's face, he seems quite old (maybe in his fifties), so he's an old timer too

Oda said Kaido has been captured by the Yonko and Marines, also he said Kaido blew 9 big ships for prisoners... I doubt Kaido could've done that at the beginning of his career

 

[Copy Panda]

hm what makes you say it's post execution? Roger could have been a yonko himself before he became king

 

[Eigengrau]

I don't think that happened at the beginning of his journey, we don't know when the Yonko concept appeared in OPverse

That's exactly what I was going to ask/say after reading some of the latest replies on here. For all we know, the Yonko system might have been created after Roger's execution.

During the flashback where Roger and Whitebeard are having a drink, do we know if Whitebeard was already one of the 4 at that time? I don't think there ever was any mention of that, or anything related to Kaidou, Big Mom, etc. Not to mention that at that time Shanks was part of Roger's crew, so yeah. I really want to know how and when the Yonko thing came into being, and/or if there were others before the "initial" 4 that were introduced.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

It wouldn't matter when the concept of Yonko became a thing, they'd all have been opposing each other, forming factions, having bases, etc. I don't think it changes anything personally not that I've thought deeply about it.