Discussion Laxus Dreyar Thread

[Laxus chan-yo]

^Reasonable. I confidently disagree with some stuff but reasonable.

 

[Brandish μ]

I think if you view Gildarts easily defeating Bluenote then you must think that Laxus did the same with Wahl. There are similarities in their fights...

- Even fight in CQC using powerful punches. None of these are named techs or anything, but that is how they all fight in CQC - you build to a finisher. Gildarts was stronger than Bluenote slightly in CQC, while Laxus/Wahl were even in their fight - but lightning was negated here.
- Tenrou tree fell and Gildarts went down, allowing Bluenote to kick him on the ground. Laxus got sick, allowing Wahl to hit him with 3 attacks.
- Gildarts cracked Bluenotes best magic. Laxus cast a Justu Shiki to stop Wahl's best attack.
- Gildarts finisher ended Bluenote. Laxus finisher ended Wahl.
- Gildarts was lying on the floor exhausted after his battle. Laxus we've not seen, but he looked worn.

Neither Laxus or Gildarts win easily - it's high difficulty. Neither oneshotted nor could they.

 

[Aizen]

I'll weigh in on a few things in this thread lately...

Myst v Laxus - Even. Neither got damaged nor went all out - it was a brief exchange of magic. The general portrayal is that they are comparable. It's easier to build a case for Laxus than Mystogan due to panel time.

Jura in OS arc - Tenrou Erza level up to SO-GMG Erza level at most. Jura isn't that impressive until he got better after 7 years. By his own admission he doesn't belong in the same category as Makarov in OS arc. Imo FF Laxus would beat OS Jura mid-high diff maybe just mid.

Interview - I wouldn't read too much into it. Mashima's final word is the manga as far as I am concerned. Even if Mashima did an interview and said Laxus is too strong to use I wouldn't inflate him because of that - you can just tell from panels how good he is.

People stronger than Laxus - I agree with that list that there aren't many who are proven stronger than Laxus. Even August is given the benefit of the doubt he is stronger - I think he'd beat Laxus mid diff on hype. I don't think God Serena is stronger than Laxus (I actually have Natsu's offence higher) but I am a minority on this. DiMaria with Age Seal could be considered above him, depends on how impressed you were with God Soul. Acno and Igneel destroy Laxus. Other 4 parent dragons should also stomp. Zeref would definitely win. I think Laxus could put up a fight against the likes of Motherglare. Atlas Flame and his fire body is still a bad match up for Laxus so AF should win that. Against any dragon though I give the dragon the benefit of the doubt due to their insanely tough body and ridiculous physical strength, which is a physiological difference between human and dragon. Laxus has also not displayed a single dragon slayer spell yet. Something like Natsu's FDK demolishing strike should be much more potent on a dragon than Red lightning.

People who I predict being stronger than Laxus - Jellal and Natsu. Quite possibly other Spriggans. And there's also Gajeel (DF) and Gray (hype) to consider as well. I can't see anyone else ascending to such heights, not even Gildarts.

Tiers - there is no standard of tier lists in FT because it depends on the person who makes them. Some people with think there is 4 tiers among the Spriggans, some just 2 (August/Rest). So number of tiers is subject to the list being referred to. Lot easier just to say X beats Y with Z efficiency/difficulty. If I did a tier list I would put Gildarts on Erza's tier, which is one tier below Spriggan's like Ajeel.

This might be the best post of this thread not that others were not good but that it was not overly bias or aggressive which many of the posts have been just thought i would throw that out there. Anyways i'll comment on a few of the topics even though honestly most of this discussion has turned into a power level discussion and there are better threads for that but hey that's what happens some times i suppose. i believe that Laxus is on par with the Spriggans shown thus far, Whether he could beat everyone of them is unknown and subjective so i will not even try to guess but i believe if Laxus did fight any of them it would be a high-extremely high diff win for either side except Dimaria because if he does not have Ultear there she can freeze time completely. I would also guess that Laxus is indeed tied for the most powerful fighter shown so far on the Ishgar side and excluding any powerups in fights like Sherria with third origin that only Brandish (if she even fights for Ishgar that is) as well as maybe Jellal are on that level but that is just all speculation no fact there as we have not even seen Jellal or many others. As far as Gildarts i have said before that i do believe his age is a factor but who am i to say when he is past his prime i simply don't know, Currently all i know is he will be a factor power wise if he does come back as that will be a big moment for the arc.

 

[kkck]

I wonder if laxus will have it in him to defeat another springan... Seeing his fight against walh it does not seem like it will take him a long time to recover and if anything the fight ended up healing him from what would have otherwise been a lifetime crippling ailment. So it is entirely possible that laxus gets to fight and shine against a second springan. Perhaps it is too soon as of the current chapter considering he just barely defeated walh but in turn by tomorrow he should be up and running around again. Although perhaps he wouldn't win against the next springan he faces, several which remain could be beyond his power, specially august. On the other hand there is a pretty good chance of laxus running into acknologia which should be a worst case scenario for him.

 

[BluePegasus]

I don't think Laxus will have the opportunity to fight another Spriggan. We still got Gray, Mira, Gajeel and others to fight a Spriggan. I think some mages who aren't in Fairy Tail will fight a Spriggan as well, like The Twin Dragons, Oración Seis, Minerva, Kagura, Jellal and more.

 

[SirSamuel016]

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[Pirate Queen]

I don't think Laxus will have the opportunity to fight another Spriggan. We still got Gray, Mira, Gajeel and others to fight a Spriggan. I think some mages who aren't in Fairy Tail will fight a Spriggan as well, like The Twin Dragons, Oración Seis, Minerva, Kagura, Jellal and more.

Laxus is a side character. If this is the last arc then his role in this war is over i think. It not like he is one of the 5 dragon slayers sent to defeat acnologia

 

[Damon blevins]

Laxus is a side character. If this is the last arc then his role in this war is over i think. It not like he is one of the 5 dragon slayers sent to defeat acnologia

Laxus's story with his father Ivan is not complete and we already know that Ivan has a great connection with zeref. Laxus is not finished.

 

[reesestl]

I wonder if laxus will have it in him to defeat another springan... Seeing his fight against walh it does not seem like it will take him a long time to recover and if anything the fight ended up healing him from what would have otherwise been a lifetime crippling ailment. So it is entirely possible that laxus gets to fight and shine against a second springan. Perhaps it is too soon as of the current chapter considering he just barely defeated walh but in turn by tomorrow he should be up and running around again. Although perhaps he wouldn't win against the next springan he faces, several which remain could be beyond his power, specially august. On the other hand there is a pretty good chance of laxus running into acknologia which should be a worst case scenario for him.

Lets see, one thing is for sure, Obra will have some role to play. He was the spy in LS, he has a history, Mashima wouldn't just ditch him. And we have him sitting on Wahl's shoulder in the silhouette. SO who will fight Obra? Laxus might.
I don't think he will run into Acnologia. Two reasons: First, he is not that strong to warrant his attention, second, if he runs into Acno where does the story go from there. At the current level, would he be able to put up a fight and survive if Acnologia makes up his mind to kill him? I doubt that.

 

[kkck]

Lets see, one thing is for sure, Obra will have some role to play. He was the spy in LS, he has a history, Mashima wouldn't just ditch him. And we have him sitting on Wahl's shoulder in the silhouette. SO who will fight Obra? Laxus might.
I don't think he will run into Acnologia. Two reasons: First, he is not that strong to warrant his attention, second, if he runs into Acno where does the story go from there. At the current level, would he be able to put up a fight and survive if Acnologia makes up his mind to kill him? I doubt that.

Acknologia is specifically hunting dragon slayers as far as we know and after defeating serena he made the point there were 7 left. And safe for dragon force it is entirely possible, if not probable, that laxus is with a good margin a decent bit stronger than any of the other dragon slayers. If strength is a consideration for acknologia then if anything laxus is his next target.

 

[reesestl]

Acknologia is specifically hunting dragon slayers as far as we know and after defeating serena he made the point there were 7 left. And safe for dragon force it is entirely possible, if not probable, that laxus is with a good margin a decent bit stronger than any of the other dragon slayers. If strength is a consideration for acknologia then if anything laxus is his next target.

DO u think he was aiming to kill the 7 of them all the time or decided only recently? Because if its the former then his motive is so unclear. He had so many chances to kill them. Also, when he attacked Tenrou he knew that he was killing (in his mind) four DSs but still went ahead. When he later found out they weren't dead, he didn't do anything. Plus, does he think he can succeed in completely eliminating DSs given that they can be artificially made by lacrima. Its like he always has to be on the watch, who got a lacrima implanted and then go after them.. makes no sense.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Please read the title of this thread.

TO Chelia vs. Laxus

TO = Third Origin

It's pretty clear that Laxus is (a lot) stronger than both Cheria and Laxus. BUT FOR THE LAST TIME:

I was talking about Laxus' and Orga's MAGIC POWER to be equal. The only thing you say is that Laxus is stronger than Orga because he defeated Jura. I'm not talking about their strength, is that so hard to understand?

Base Chelia isn't at the same tier as Laxus since she is younger. Firstly, I was comparing Chelia with Wendy since they are at the same age. Secondly, I was talking about her magic power. Third, this thread is about Third Origin Chelia which means I already know Base Chelia is weaker than Laxus.

PS. Nice explanation. Quite a shame you forgot about Orga's MPF Score.



You also know what I meant. When I compare Wendy with Chelia, you compare Laxus with Chelia. When I compare Laxus with Orga, you compare Jura with Orga. Is it so hard to do this fair for both sides in this fight?



When did you say dominating? You said overpowering. Wahl overpowered Laxus there.

Laxus BEAT JURA BECAUSE HIS MAGIC POWER IS GREATER.

I said Laxus outperformed them in the GMG arc, something you denied. I prove you wrong and then you switch your shit up again.

The person with the greater magic in most if not all cases is stronger. Laxus is wayy stronger than Orga so his magic power is greater.

What is the thread called.....AND YOU'RE COMPLAINING I COMPARED LAXUS AND CHERIA. I compared Orga and Jura to show you the gap between Laxus and Orga since they only had a scuffle.

Laxus>Jura>>>Orga

Knocking him back once isn't overpowering, nice try.

 

[BluePegasus]

Laxus BEAT JURA BECAUSE HIS MAGIC POWER IS GREATER.

Show me proof he won thanks to his magic power. He won thanks to his stamina. Orga lost thanks to his stamina. If Laxus his stamina was low than he would've went down when Jura smacked him to the ground, just like Orga. I don't get why you just CAN'T understand that GMG Laxus' and GMG Orga's magic power was equal. Give me any spell GMG Laxus showed which is a lot more destructive than any spell from Orga.

I said Laxus outperformed them in the GMG arc, something you denied. I prove you wrong and then you switch your shit up again.

No, I said GMG Laxus and GMG Orga their magic power was more or less equal. I never said Orga and Jura are stronger than Laxus.

The person with the greater magic in most if not all cases is stronger. Laxus is wayy stronger than Orga so his magic power is greater.

Where did you got that statement from? It's just worthless.

What is the thread called.....AND YOU'RE COMPLAINING I COMPARED LAXUS AND CHERIA. I compared Orga and Jura to show you the gap between Laxus and Orga since they only had a scuffle.

Again, I'm not talking about their strength. Laxus vs. Jura vs. Orga has nothing to do with this. It's all about their MAGIC POWER.

Laxus>Jura>>>Orga

Agreed. But,

MP: GMG Jura > GMG Laxus = GMG Orga

Knocking him back once isn't overpowering, nice try.

Once?

 

[Axiomus]

I think it's pretty clear that Laxus > Orga in terms of power. Jura oneshotted Orga but was beaten by Laxus. It's not like Laxus was going all out against Orga either. Laxus' spells like like Fairy Law is far greater than anything Orga can conjure. Moreover, it was Laxus that gave LFD Natsu the power on Tenrou Island, so I consider LFD roar to be reflective of Laxus' power as well. Needless to say, LFD Natsu's performance against Hades trumps pretty much everything that Orga has shown.

Laxus beat Wahl, whom has better offensive feats than Dimaria, without help and was fighting the majority of the time with a massive handicap because his organs were failing. Even with 3O, Chelia still had Wendy's help in defending against Dimaria's all out attacks. And honestly, the fact that one of Wendy's barriers can defend against Dimaria's attacks only serves to make me rank Dimaria's offense below Wahl's.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Show me proof he won thanks to his magic power. He won thanks to his stamina. Orga lost thanks to his stamina. If Laxus his stamina was low than he would've went down when Jura smacked him to the ground, just like Orga. I don't get why you just CAN'T understand that GMG Laxus' and GMG Orga's magic power was equal. Give me any spell GMG Laxus showed which is a lot more destructive than any spell from Orga.



No, I said GMG Laxus and GMG Orga their magic power was more or less equal. I never said Orga and Jura are stronger than Laxus.



Where did you got that statement from? It's just worthless.



Again, I'm not talking about their strength. Laxus vs. Jura vs. Orga has nothing to do with this. It's all about their MAGIC POWER.



Agreed. But,

MP: GMG Jura > GMG Laxus = GMG Orga



Once?

Where did he lose because of stamina. Both of them got knocked out by their opponents that's not stamina. Do you even know what stamina is?

Laxus' magic power is wayy higher. You strength is dictated by magic power.

Name me one fight when the person with lower magic power straight up beat the shit out of the one with the lower MP?


Laxus has wayy greater magic power.

NO MP: Laxus>Jura>>Orga


Twice, both times immediately after Laxus smack his ass straight back

 

[BluePegasus]

Where did he lose because of stamina. Both of them got knocked out by their opponents that's not stamina. Do you even know what stamina is?

Yes, I know exactly what stamina is. Laxus won thanks to his stamina because he could stand after Jura's attacks. Orga couldn't. If Laxus had the same stamina as Orga, he would've been defeated right after Jura smacked him down? Clear?

Laxus' magic power is wayy higher. You strength is dictated by magic power.

No it isn't. There are a lot of other feats which makes someone stronger. How hard is this to understand?

Name me one fight when the person with lower magic power straight up beat the shit out of the one with the lower MP?

You and I don't know the exact amount of magic power from any mage. But I can give you a good example.

Erza vs. Kagura vs. Minerva

In this battle, Erza started off with no armor. She didn't use her magic at all, but she could keep up with Kagura and Minerva. She had to use her other feats.

Laxus has wayy greater magic power.

Based on..?

NO MP: Laxus>Jura>>Orga

Because their battle went like this, it doesn't mean their magic power is in the same order.

 

[Holt]

Yes, I know exactly what stamina is. Laxus won thanks to his stamina because he could stand after Jura's attacks. Orga couldn't. If Laxus had the same stamina as Orga, he would've been defeated right after Jura smacked him down? Clear?



No it isn't. There are a lot of other feats which makes someone stronger. How hard is this to understand?



You and I don't know the exact amount of magic power from any mage. But I can give you a good example.

Erza vs. Kagura vs. Minerva

In this battle, Erza started off with no armor. She didn't use her magic at all, but she could keep up with Kagura and Minerva. She had to use her other feats.



Based on..?



Because their battle went like this, it doesn't mean their magic power is in the same order.

I'm not getting your point. You're saying it as though Laxus standing up after taking an attack that KO'd Orga isn't due to his own strength.
Also, Laxus magic is indeed above Jura. Same for his strength and stamina. They both went all out in that battle and exchanged punches as well as bumped different magic attacks before Jura eventually fell. With the MP gauge, Orga's MP was half that of Jura. Considering Laxus was actually able to keep up with Jura when they used their magic spells, it's an indication of laxus's MP being more than double that of Orga.

Fact is, even if Orga hadn't gone down from Jura's initial attack, he would've still lost if Jura had resorted to using earth magic because Jura MP is double that of Orga. Whichever way you dice it, Orga wasn't capable of keeping up in any way or form. Laxus not only did so but defeated Jura. Laxus and Jura are far from being equals. Using their little skirmish to say they're equals doesn't follow. When Natsu and Gajeel fought sting and rouge, sting was supposedly soloing them at one point. In the end though, Natsu alone was able to stomp them despite using a unison raid.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Yes, I know exactly what stamina is. Laxus won thanks to his stamina because he could stand after Jura's attacks. Orga couldn't. If Laxus had the same stamina as Orga, he would've been defeated right after Jura smacked him down? Clear?



No it isn't. There are a lot of other feats which makes someone stronger. How hard is this to understand?



You and I don't know the exact amount of magic power from any mage. But I can give you a good example.

Erza vs. Kagura vs. Minerva

In this battle, Erza started off with no armor. She didn't use her magic at all, but she could keep up with Kagura and Minerva. She had to use her other feats.



Based on..?



Because their battle went like this, it doesn't mean their magic power is in the same order.

You clearly don't know what stamina is, that's durability. You can have high stamina and get one shotted.

The main aspect is MP.

No I asked for an example for when the lower person with magic power is winning this is not it, not to mention Kagura wasn't going full force, later on Kagura literally starts tearing through Erza's armor. Not to mention not using magic doesn't mean your magic power is lower.


Based on him eing said to have top tier magic power and his feats. Orga literally has nothing on Laxus in magic power, you baselessly claimed Orga has equal magic power with Laxus but you have yet to bring one feat that suggests this.


It does. You have proved nothing at all about his magic power being on par with Laxus'.

 

[Kiki]

FYI Laxus will get a spin-off manga. The lines at the bottom of this pic says so. (Sorry the pic is in Chinese)

Spoiler

Source:
(1) here
(2) here

 

[Brandish μ]

FYI Laxus will get a spin-off manga. The lines at the bottom of this pic says so. (Sorry the pic is in Chinese)

Spoiler

Source:
(1) here
(2) here

Call me skeptical but link 1 was dated April 1st... is this an April fools joke?

I hope not. That is too cruel.