Discussion About Aura Combat & How Nen Works

[shionoro]

As i stated in another thread, i think basically, every person can do every nen ability per se likewise to how every person could potentially imitate the movements of another person.

The reason why this practically wont happen is due to different bodies, mental states and thought patterns.

Every person has a certain flow, the way you move, the way you think, which will all shape his nen flow.
To maintain an ability, you need a lot of control over your body and mind, simliar to meditation (after all, even developing nen is hard).

The more complex your personality, thought patterns and so in is, the harder it is to imitate your ability.

For example, an enhancer's nen ability like gon's jankenrock should be easily imitateable.
It has not much to do with his personal experiences and gon is a fairly simple minded person.
Ging could definitely reproduce it is he feels the nen flow of gon and does not trying out.

One mode harder is an ability with a limitation.
I would think that ging could reproduce franklin's ability (maybe a bit weaker) even without cutting his fingers if he is good enough to bring himself into the state of mind of 'my fingers are pistols' because he saw that franklin has cut his finger tips off.

Then there are abilities like netero's or kurapica's which were dveleoped due to very personal experience which ging cannot simply reproduce (netero's training from hell, kurapica's scarlet eyes, backstory, and his rigourus training with the chain).

Reproducing nen is in my opinion as hard as completely imitating another person. It is easier with a simple minded person whic has fairly standard behaviour and thought patterns, but it is still incredibly hard because you need a very profound understanding of nen flow and of people.
Ging seems to be the only character who has that to this extent, but i think another person could do that to if he or she had the same understanding as ging has.

Now, chrollo on the other hand has a hatsu which enable him to delve into the soul and understand the nen flow of a person he steals from.
Chrollo could even copy abilities like netero's or even kurapica's while ging could never reproduce chrollo's ability.

 

[Kefka]

So, I was thinking about Kurapika's chains, and I have one question. Is he able to heal others with Holy Chain? If so, why?

 

[uberfayt]

So, I was thinking about Kurapika's chains, and I have one question. Is he able to heal others with Holy Chain? If so, why?

Kurapika's "Healing Thumb" relies on Enhancement to reinforce and accelerate the speed of the natural recovery of the body. So as long as "Emperor time" is active, I'm pretty sure he can use it on others as well.

 

[ShadowHeart]

I once thought he was a Specialist and it was his ability. But he says it's a talent so... If it's a punching ability he can replicate it, it's similar to Nen baptism I guess?

I don't think his stubbornness with money was related to this. He didn't even know or use one of their abilities and with Leorio he only got punched.

I do think is a Specialist either way who knows he could be bullshitting about it being a natural talent. I could see Ging starting out in a different categorize but developing into a Specialist.

Neither do I but Ging gotta something else planned with that money no way would he go through all that trouble if he didn't imo. What do you mean by not knowing about or using one of their abilities? Why would he use one of their ability's against fodder anyway. Considering he taught Kite everything about crazy slots I'm pretty sure Ging can use that ability.

 

[Demonspeed]

Technically, everyone could try to mimic someone's else ability but there is the problem of mastery and stuff. And when you created your Hatsu, you can't ever erase it unless you meet special people like Pouf or Abengane.

Ging could be a Specialist but he said it's not linked to his ability so Pariston doesn't even know his category. Ging has excellent analytic skills but it doesn't explain everything, he needs to get hit to replicate it, it seems like a condition for a Hatsu and yet it isn't. As I said above it works like Nen baptism. He was able to exploit Leorio's abilities but it was him guessing after learning about his background. He only saw it for a few seconds after all. Some Heavens Arena fighters like Gido and the Chimeara Ants learnt Nen the same way, it works like the violent method but being able to replicate techniques like that is on another level. Maybe it's related to his lineage? With the Freecss having genes of some race from the Dark Continent or something? Don Freecss is still there and Ging is most likely his direct descendant.

 

[XXGenesis]

Now, chrollo on the other hand has a hatsu which enable him to delve into the soul and understand the nen flow of a person he steals from.
Chrollo could even copy abilities like netero's or even kurapica's while ging could never reproduce chrollo's ability.

Chrollo could copy Netero's ability but it wouldn't be anywhere near as fast...& Kurapicka's chain would be tricky because it's only so damn effective because Kurapicka can use each Nen class at 100% & each chain has a different Nen class + limitations & creed for his judgement chain(emission chain). Plus understanding & utilizing the ability to its fullest comes strictly from Chrollo's intellect in completing the steps to steal the hatsu & practice afterwards.

 

[shionoro]

Chrollo could copy Netero's ability but it wouldn't be anywhere near as fast...& Kurapicka's chain would be tricky because it's only so damn effective because Kurapicka can use each Nen class at 100% & each chain has a different Nen class + limitations & creed for his judgement chain(emission chain). Plus understanding & utilizing the ability to its fullest comes strictly from Chrollo's intellect in completing the steps to steal the hatsu & practice afterwards.

that's true, but it could be really handy (kurapica's one) as a lie detector.
And yes, chrollo can do every single ability, but to use it effectively is another matter and he has to think himself into the head of the user.

 

[Copy Panda]

Chrollo could copy Netero's ability but it wouldn't be anywhere near as fast...& Kurapicka's chain would be tricky because it's only so damn effective because Kurapicka can use each Nen class at 100% & each chain has a different Nen class + limitations & creed for his judgement chain(emission chain). Plus understanding & utilizing the ability to its fullest comes strictly from Chrollo's intellect in completing the steps to steal the hatsu & practice afterwards.

I btw went back and read about that

From what I gather it's not that he can use an (for example) enhancer ability as if he were an enhancer, it's just that he uses an enhancer ability to the very best of his potential ability

 

[XXGenesis]

I btw went back and read about that

From what I gather it's not that he can use an (for example) enhancer ability as if he were an enhancer, it's just that he uses an enhancer ability to the very best of his potential ability

Right....What I'm highlighting is that he would still be effective & beast with Netero's 100hand Bhudda hatsu. But he can't replicate Netero's own physical faster than sound fist which in turn makes his statue attacks sound breaking also...

Let's say he stole Big Bang Impact for instance. it would still mirror the original but its power & effect would be much less due to the physical Strentgh difference between the 2 users..but it'll still be one hell of KO punch


Side Note:
Come to think of it Specalist are suppose to have low Nen Enhancement efficiency seeing that it's the furthest affinity from them in the Nen diagram...So why the hell can Kurapicka have 100% there too...it's OP & haxx 100% in everything but enhancement would have been fair......Kurapicka easily could have been the strongest character he didn't design his hatsu solely for the Spider's demise

 

[Copy Panda]

Side Note:
Come to think of it Specalist are suppose to have low Nen Enhancement efficiency seeing that it's the furthest affinity from them in the Nen diagram...So why the hell can Kurapicka have 100% there too...it's OP & haxx 100% in everything but enhancement would have been fair......Kurapicka easily could have been the strongest character he didn't design his hatsu solely for the Spider's demise

That's the point, you can do basically anything as long as you sacrifice enough

I feel like this is the third time I say this, but it's amazing people still complain about Kurapika when Togashi went through so much trouble to justify how the power works xD

Take Gon and Pitou, for instance -> sacrificing his life and potential allowed him to (momentarily) surpass the King

 

[XXGenesis]

I understand Kurapicka's power very well....That doesn't mean I have to like it...it's way too OP on top of Haxx...it's bulstered up toooo much

 

[Copy Panda]

Sure, you can dislike it. Your reason to dislike it is simply wrong; it's neither OP nor hax

There are very clear rules (that haven't been broken) and limitations (which he's been bound to)

 

[XXGenesis]

Sure, you can dislike it. Your reason to dislike it is simply wrong; it's neither OP nor hax

There are very clear rules (that haven't been broken) and limitations (which he's been bound to)

Not true..Kurapicka could have acheieved close to the same result of power w/o having to be a specialist.....once he placed a chain on his heart & made that deal that already Strentghen the power of his judgements chain & chain jail! & already having the emotional desires & will to obliterate the spiders are 2 power ups he has already....Now once his eye changes he becomes a specialist gains more Nen & more dangerous ability....If Kurapicka's hatsu didn't circle around his chains & spiders...

He would have been able to create any hatsu desired once scarlet eye..that's too much of an advantage....especially when specialization users have crazy powers...but if turn they lack a strong balance offence/defense

Kurapicka has no weakness....His hatsu has a weakness but that's because of how he designed his power & it's very specific....if not for the specifics he could have created chains designed to fight anybody & that would of been dangerous as hell.

 

[Copy Panda]

I feel like you're missing the point behind the set up of Hunter x Hunter

In most other shounen series, the protagonist has these typical attributes and stereotypes assigned to them, in terms of power, personality and role in the plot. But this isn't the case in HxH, the show isn't about driving a central plot forward but following very ambitious and mostly intelligent or at least well informed characters. They all try to achieve personal goals by in their own manner, and the plot groups them together.

In the case of Kurapika, whose was desutroyed by the Troupe, revenge is a central theme. His hatred and desire manifests through the eyes he shared with his slain kin. It ties in neatly with a group of powerful thieves; he is only allowed to be this powerful because his power works on like 10 people to the fullest extent. The emotion and all that just ties in with his character (something you'll usually not see in other shounen). It's not like he could create any other ability; he could only create this ability because it ties in with his personality. It's not like he could have been like 'Ill go with a nuke lmao' because of his character.

He has a definite weakness which you mentioned: his hatsu. Killua mentioned how a power that's either versatile or powerful, or both, in many situations would be best. While Kurapika' power is powerful and versatile, it's the full extent of it is unusable in a lot of situations, and that's a heavy price to pay in the HxH verse.

 

[XXGenesis]

I get it Panda trust me dude I do...Remeber Kurapicka wanted to be a enhancer because it has the best balance of straight forward offence/defensive...but he's naturally a conjure so through his personality and much given thought he came to the ephinany of a chain...then after finding out he can become a specialization user he forms mutiple Nen chains which utilizes his specialization ability to it's max as well as he desired effects...What I'm saying is you can take away key character traits of Kurapicka & he"ll still be a force to be rekconed with......the price Kurapicka has to pay is self inflicted...how do you not see that? If he wasn't so engulfed with revenge & lust for power he could have developed a much Iight Iight in I more balanced power which would make him a huge threat.....

Abilities aren't set in stone; you can variate it like Kurapicka's genius in making a healing chain,restriction, Etc

 

[uberfayt]

Guys, I would like to waste your time again with one of my questions here goes:

This is concerning the ability that Gon used to forcefully mature and gain tremendous power and aura : I saw many people think that anybody could achieve the same result if they set the same ridiculously strict restrictions and conditions that Gon put on himself to do it. I personally disagree, let me explain why: Sure one needs the restrictions such as "never being able to use nen again" and "don't care if everything ends here", but IMO the key ingredient which is needed is to be "an incredibly gifted person", and to throw away all of that talent.
I think this last condition is really what made it possible for Gon to receive all that aura...I also think that if somebody else (above average talent, say) was in the same state of mind as Gon back then and decided to do it, he wouldn't get similar results.
What do you guys think ?

 

[XXGenesis]

Absolutely correct...Also for Gon to even get to that decision & train of thought he was experiencing; A person's rage & emotion would have to reach uncontrollable levels like Gon did...but no it's not a feat that can be replicated with such ease..certain scenarios would definitely have to be in place..

Also what Gon did was go past the 100% mark in enhancement..thats not easy to do & it breaks the body or Ki/chi/Nen afterwards

 

[uberfayt]

I would like to discuss and clarify which category Texture surprise belongs to.

It uses mainly Conjuration :

Hisoka materializes an image from his mind into his aura and puts it on a flat surface, like paper (kinda like a sticker). I actually used to associate it with Transmutation, i.e. pure aura. However one thing was not right : During the fight with Kastro, spectators (non nen users) were still able to see the effects of texture surprise, whereas if the image was just transmuted aura, then they wouldn't have been able to.

 

[Copy Panda]

Yeah, it's conjuration

 

[tupadre97]

I would like to discuss and clarify which category Texture surprise belongs to.

It uses mainly Conjuration :

Hisoka materializes an image from his mind into his aura and puts it on a flat surface, like paper (kinda like a sticker). I actually used to associate it with Transmutation, i.e. pure aura. However one thing was not right : During the fight with Kastro, spectators (non nen users) were still able to see the effects of texture surprise, whereas if the image was just transmuted aura, then they wouldn't have been able to.

No I think it was transmutation because transmutation can also change the properties of physical objects like Porcupine's hair transformation, Bicuit's body transformation, worms body transmutation, etc. It may also involve conjuration too but its probably just transmutation. If it was conjuration he would just be conjuring an image which doesn't make a lot of sense. You might as well just conjure the physical texture of whatever you're trying to make at that point and just stick it with bungee gum so it can also feel how it looks.