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Well, don't all the pirates who try to escape the GL die in the Calm Belt anyway? And sorry about the "you know what" thing, I never read the spoilers, I was just commenting on what the person above me said.
Most of them do.. however Red leg Zeff came back from the grandline as did Don Krieg.. so it's not impossible ... however it probably takes a heavier toll on most crews.. In other words when they run into the calm belt they are running from a situation where they'll definitly die.. to a situation where they'll Probably just die.
Out of the frying pan and into the fryer as it were.
Because remember they may have returned from the grandline .. but Gol D. roger is the only man to make it all the way through the grandline.
 

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Most of them do.. however Red leg Zeff came back from the grandline as did Don Krieg.. so it's not impossible ... however it probably takes a heavier toll on most crews.. In other words when they run into the calm belt they are running from a situation where they'll definitly die.. to a situation where they'll Probably just die.
Out of the frying pan and into the fryer as it were.
Because remember they may have returned from the grandline .. but Gol D. roger is the only man to make it all the way through the grandline.
Well, you can probably return to the regular seas when you reach the end, like with the Reverse Mountain. And as of the last chapter, it seems to me like Brook's style of fighting is actually FENCING. Oh, and he lives when he gets stabbed. That shit is awesome.
 

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Well, Brooke HAS to join the crew, he's got everything now, he's not only funny and a musician, now luffy definitely wants him aboard, and since the last chapter he has everything every member of the mugiwaras has, a sad backstory and a dream to fulfill.
 

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Yeah, and everyone would realize that if people would stop with the "lol, he has to turn around to get to Laboon" theories. He must have more he wants to do besides Laboon. What about Bink's booze?
 

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Lol, Well, I agree, even he wanted to go to laboon as soon as possible, it'll be impossible for him to ride the grand line alone, and that's assuming that "thing" he uses as a ship would take him that far. He'd die, again, before the first island, and that's assuming he can put his hand on a log post. So he'd have to hitch a ride and the devil's sea don't seem the perfect place to do so. He's already lucky to have met with the mugiwaras, and seemed very enthusiastic to join them.

And anyway, luffy already promised to get back to laboon, so sooner or later they'll go back to that place, plus there's never been someone he wanted to join the crew that didn't, so I see no reason for him not to join.
 

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WARNING, MAJOR SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 459:
Brook DOES need to go back to meet Laboon. I have a good idea of how it will go. Luffy will formally ask Brook to join, but Brook will decline because "his dream is to be reunited with Laboon". Luffy values dreams highly, so he'll let Brook go. And seriously, Brooks journey back through the Grand Line would make an AWESOME opening page story for when Oda-sensei gets up to doing one for the Thriller Bark saga.
 

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When exactly did the grand line became something so ordinary that anyone with no apparent navigation skill whatsoever (the guy DID wandered in the demon's sea for 45 years or so) could ALONE go wherever he wants to so easily... did I miss a chapter somewhere??

So from there, what will he do if doesn't join the mugiwaras... go back to his ship, take control of thriller bark or simply walk his way through the grand line... he already had accepted luffy's proposal the first time, even though WE didn't know about his past then, HE most certainly did and yet accepted.

Also, you say he has his dream to accomplish, but I fail to see how staying with the mugiwara would prevent him from doing so, his nakama already waited for 50 YEARS, what's a couple of months gonna do, while he could come back after traversing the grand line.

And what would be even more awesome than an opening page story, would be brooke joining as a regular crew.
 

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well eventhough i didn't not read all of the posts before me...

up to this point in the manga convinced me that Brook will joined the crew since Luffy and him have the same promised that once they travel around the Grandline they will reunited with Laboon
 

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brooke doesnt need a ship.. he can run on water O_o

But I too think/hope he'll join the crew. There wasn't even one person yet who luffy wanted to join his crew who didnt join. :p
 

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Well, he does have a ship, as we've already seen. He can't just run around for 50 years, although that would be interesting. Actually, maybe they should take his ship instead of the Thousand Sunny, because it seems a fuck-lot bigger than TS.
 

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When exactly did the grand line became something so ordinary that anyone with no apparent navigation skill whatsoever (the guy DID wandered in the demon's sea for 45 years or so) could ALONE go wherever he wants to so easily... did I miss a chapter somewhere??
Brooks wandering through the Florian Triangle proves nothing about his navigational skill. He was looking for a moving island. That'd be hard to find even for a good navigator. Nami could probably do it, but she's one of the best navigators there are. And it WON'T be easy for him to get back to Laboon. That's what will make the cover story so interesting.

So from there, what will he do if doesn't join the mugiwaras... go back to his ship, take control of thriller bark or simply walk his way through the grand line... he already had accepted luffy's proposal the first time, even though WE didn't know about his past then, HE most certainly did and yet accepted.
I don't remember Brook saying he accepted, what chapter was this in? And yeah, maybe he will take over Thriller Bark. Maybe he'll get a new ship, maybe he'll walk his way. Does it matter? You just gave three different methods. Now it's just a question of which one Oda-sensei will have him use.

Also, you say he has his dream to accomplish, but I fail to see how staying with the mugiwara would prevent him from doing so, his nakama already waited for 50 YEARS, what's a couple of months gonna do, while he could come back after traversing the grand line.
He won't wait. That's the problem. He's waited 50 years, that's why it CAN'T wait any longer. He's already having doubts about whether Laboon remembers him. He won't push it off further. Brooks whole purpose of being right now is to get to Laboon. He doesn't have time to sail through the rest of the Grand Line with the Straw Hats. It's probably taken them a good 4-8 months just getting this far. It will probably take longer to sail through the rest of the Grand Line (it IS the New World, after all). It'll be too much time for Brook to wait. Unless...

well eventhough i didn't not read all of the posts before me...

up to this point in the manga convinced me that Brook will joined the crew since Luffy and him have the same promised that once they travel around the Grandline they will reunited with Laboon
This is actually the best point I've heard in favor of Brook joining despite chapter 459. This may be, especially since he promised "AROUND the Grand Line". It's a question of whether Brook will want to keep the whole promise and be influenced by the fact that Laboon is still waiting for him and that Laboon wouldn't want to see him if he didn't fulfill the whole promise (I can imagine Luffy saying that, he'd want Brook to fulfill his whole dream, and Laboon wouldn't mind if Brook was fulfilling the whole dream, probably) or whether Brook feels that he should be reunited with Laboon.

And what would be even more awesome than an opening page story, would be brooke joining as a regular crew.
Here I disagree. I like Brook, or at least, I do now that I know that he DOES act like a gentleman when it really matters, and he has a dream that he's been trying to achieve for 50 YEARS, letting not even death and the theft of his soul deter him from the fulfillment of that dream, but I just don't think he's Straw Hat material. I dunno why, but I just don't think that he'd fit well with the character dynamics, and I can't see him as a musician either. His music was terrible, if you remember. I like Brook now, and I would like to see the rest of his adventure through the Grand Line, but I don't think his place is with the Straw Hats. He just doesn't seem to fit in with them to me.

But I too think/hope he'll join the crew. There wasn't even one person yet who luffy wanted to join his crew who didnt join. :p
No. There is one. Nefertari Vivi. Maybe he didn't specifically ask her to join, but he certainly wanted her to, and everyone thought she would. But she didn't. Because she had a different dream and a different job to do. And that's why Brook won't join. Unless what weixiaobao said about Brook having to sail through the rest of the Grand Line to fulfil his whole promise to Laboon is true, he won't join because he has a different job then them. They all need to go forward to fulfill their dreams, but unless weixiaobao was right, Brook needs to go backwards.
 

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Brooks wandering through the Florian Triangle proves nothing about his navigational skill. He was looking for a moving island. That'd be hard to find even for a good navigator. Nami could probably do it, but she's one of the best navigators there are. And it WON'T be easy for him to get back to Laboon. That's what will make the cover story so interesting
To begin with, you're wrong, Brooke wasn't looking for thriller bark, why exactly would he have do so, he learned of it's existence when THEY found him 5 years ago and stole his shadow, you're confusing two story, he told himself his death and his shadow are two unrelated stories.

I don't remember Brook saying he accepted, what chapter was this in?
Well then please feel free to read chapters 442 and 443 if you don't remember, cause luffy proposed and brooke accepted, he then declined in the next chapter because his missing shadow would prevent him from doing so (and please, at least don't contradict yourself by saying the first time he wasn't thinking about laboon).

Maybe he'll get a new ship, maybe he'll walk his way. Does it matter? You just gave three different methods. Now it's just a question of which one Oda-sensei will have him use.
So I ask you again, when exactly did it happened that the most dangerous see in the whole world became something so ordinary one could cross it on foot (no reference to mihawk or aokiji, unless you wanna compare a shichibukai and an admiral to brooke, and I wouldn't follow you there... )

He won't wait. That's the problem. He's waited 50 years, that's why it CAN'T wait any longer. He's already having doubts about whether Laboon remembers him.
Cause for now he doesn't even know what happened to laboon, but luffy will tell him he's still waiting, so sorry but I don't see where the "CAN'T wait" is coming from... I also agree with weixiaobao that brooke could join the mugiwaras for that reason.

As for not fitting in with the crew, instead of just saying brooke's attitude don't fit in, could you please enlighten us a little on what you mean... cause till now we have a stupid captain, a lazy swordman, a love cook, an overly sensitive cyborg... so why wouldn't an impolite gentlemen fit in exactly...

And vivi dream was achieved when she left the mugiwaras, she restored alabasta, now she had a new dream she couldn't fulfilled with them, that's why she didn't join in the end... but as I said, joining the mugiwaras isn't in the way of his dream at all, they could actually help him fulfill it...

Anyway, as Franky stated, there ain't that many people that would accept him, but with luffy he already found people that want him to join them, so I just see many reason why he could join, no reason at all why he shouldn't or couldn't.
 

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To begin with, you're wrong, Brooke wasn't looking for thriller bark, why exactly would he have do so, he learned of it's existence when THEY found him 5 years ago and stole his shadow, you're confusing two story, he told himself his death and his shadow are two unrelated stories.
Ah, my mistake, I thought you were referring to the wandering he did to find Thriller Bark, not the wandering he did to find his body. A stupid mistake on my part, sorry.



Well then please feel free to read chapters 442 and 443 if you don't remember, cause luffy proposed and brooke accepted, he then declined in the next chapter because his missing shadow would prevent him from doing so (and please, at least don't contradict yourself by saying the first time he wasn't thinking about laboon).
Yes, you're right, he accepted, then he left because he needed to reclaim his shadow. And yes, you're right, he was certainly thinking of Laboon then. Perhaps that bit about him having to fulfill the whole promise was true. Or maybe he was just gonna join them for a while because he wanted company. He can't have intended to join permanently, because he couldn't leave the Florian Triangle, and he didn't want their help getting his shadow back, he told them not to follow him into Thriller Bark. It's possible, but he may just have been saying he'd join temporarily for the sake of companionship.



So I ask you again, when exactly did it happened that the most dangerous see in the whole world became something so ordinary one could cross it on foot (no reference to mihawk or aokiji, unless you wanna compare a shichibukai and an admiral to brooke, and I wouldn't follow you there... )
I'm not saying he's on the level of an Admiral or a Shichibukai, but he IS pretty strong. His invulnerability would make him at least a middle-class Straw Hat (not the Monster Trio, but not too weak, basically Robin, Franky, and maybe Chopper.) And again, it would be dangerous. I never said he'd cross it on foot. Maybe he'd get a boat, he has his own, and there are certainly some floating around the Florian Triangle. Maybe he'll take over Thriller Bark. I'm not saying it's ordinary. But the fact is, the weather issue wouldn't hurt him, he doesn't need to stop at any island for supplies, and for all we know, Thriller Bark has a giant collection of Log and Eternal Posts. They've been stealing stuff off of ships for about 10 years now, and they'd certainly take things as valuable as Posts. He could get a post set for Whiskery Peak or something, and from there to Reverse Mountain isn't so far. My point is, there are ways to make it work.



Cause for now he doesn't even know what happened to laboon, but luffy will tell him he's still waiting, so sorry but I don't see where the "CAN'T wait" is coming from... I also agree with weixiaobao that brooke could join the mugiwaras for that reason.
Human psychology. After waiting for something for a long time, people get impatient and don't want to wait any longer. Only people who don't feel as stressed as the one waiting say "You've waited this long, you can wait a bit longer". And I DID acknowledge that weixiaobao may be correct. He's got the best reason for Brooks joining I've seen yet, and the only one I can't explain away that well, at least to myself.

As for not fitting in with the crew, instead of just saying brooke's attitude don't fit in, could you please enlighten us a little on what you mean... cause till now we have a stupid captain, a lazy swordman, a love cook, an overly sensitive cyborg... so why wouldn't an impolite gentlemen fit in exactly...
I dunno, I just don't feel that he belongs with them. I can't really explain why, I just don't get the feeling that he'd fit well with them. What job could he fill, anyway? And even if he could fill a job, I don't see him fitting in.

And vivi dream was achieved when she left the mugiwaras, she restored alabasta, now she had a new dream she couldn't fulfilled with them, that's why she didn't join in the end... but as I said, joining the mugiwaras isn't in the way of his dream at all, they could actually help him fulfill it...
Again, that is weixiaobao's point, and I acknowledged that it may prove true.

Anyway, as Franky stated, there ain't that many people that would accept him, but with luffy he already found people that want him to join them, so I just see many reason why he could join, no reason at all why he shouldn't or couldn't.
True, he may still need the companionship. But from the fact that he's continued to chase his dream despite that for so long, I think that he's willing to forgo any other companionship to be with Laboon. (I said above that he may only have intended to stay with the Straw Hats TEMPORARILY. Though if he has the chance, he may NOT wish to forgo that companionship if he doesn't have to, and weixiaobao's point may prove true, in which case Brook will still need nakama to fulfill the full dream and cross the Grand Line.
 

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By the way, it's no longer spoilers, the week end's over.

Well about how he could go back, my point is that whatever the mean, let's say he uses his own ship it's 50 years old and was attacked by another crew, so how much longer will it last before it sinks... on any other sea it could have it's chance, but it's grand line we're talking about. And anyway, brooke was a musician, not a navigator, there's no way he could handle a ship ON HIS OWN on the grand line... (that's what i meant by mihawk and aokiji, since they do cross grand line on their own)..

He's been lost in that place for 45 years, how many more years would it take him to make his way back to the beginning of grand line... just having a log or eternal post don't make it any easier to cross the grand line without any navigation skills.

As for human psychology, you can hardly apply that kind of thing to any one piece character, I think you'll agree with me on that point, so as I said, he'll be able to put his mind at ease once he know laboon is still waiting for him.

And about the position he could fill, he's a musician, it doesn't matter if he can't play right, luffy only wants a musician cause it's fun, in fact that makes him even more fit for the crew, after having the bests in everything, to have a screw up.

Also, why would it be temporarily exactly, luffy asked him to become his nakama, like zoro would say, it's not like they're playing pirates and you can go just like that when it pleases you... brooke was a pirate, and seeing how important he's promise to laboon is, he'd know at least that much.
 

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I highly doubt Brook will try to cross the GL on foot. Just because he's a skeleton doesn't mean he doesn't have stamina or exhaustion. And if he went with the SHs, he wouldn't "have to wait a bit more", he'd go back at the exact same time, and he'd have friends too. I mean, this way, he has food, friends, a place to sleep, a place to rest, adventure, panties, and he still gets to Laboon. I mean, he can basically go to Laboon himself, or go with the SHs, and have the same thing happen.
 

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By the way, it's no longer spoilers, the week end's over.

Well about how he could go back, my point is that whatever the mean, let's say he uses his own ship it's 50 years old and was attacked by another crew, so how much longer will it last before it sinks... on any other sea it could have it's chance, but it's grand line we're talking about. And anyway, brooke was a musician, not a navigator, there's no way he could handle a ship ON HIS OWN on the grand line... (that's what i meant by mihawk and aokiji, since they do cross grand line on their own)..
Point, it would be difficult. Perhaps he will join them because of that. They've accepted people before who had nowhere to go (Ussop). Brook reminds me alot of Ussop, actually. Maybe he will choose to fudge it and just sail and hope he manages, but that's grasping at straws. Yes, the more I think about it, the more likely it seems that he'll need some sort of crew. So either he'll have to join the Straw Hats, or he'll need another crew of people who will accept him. And I don't think anyone but the zombies will, so he could take them, assuming that they don't all lose their shadows as soon as Moria is defeated by Luffy.

He's been lost in that place for 45 years, how many more years would it take him to make his way back to the beginning of grand line... just having a log or eternal post don't make it any easier to cross the grand line without any navigation skills.
Yes, he'll need a crew, and I just posted possibilities on where he will get one.

As for human psychology, you can hardly apply that kind of thing to any one piece character, I think you'll agree with me on that point, so as I said, he'll be able to put his mind at ease once he know laboon is still waiting for him.
No, you can't. And yes, there is a very good chance that knowing that Laboon is still waiting for him will convince him to join.

And about the position he could fill, he's a musician, it doesn't matter if he can't play right, luffy only wants a musician cause it's fun, in fact that makes him even more fit for the crew, after having the bests in everything, to have a screw up.
Luffy won't accept a bad musician. He wants only the best for the Pirate King, he said as much to Zoro back in Volume 1. Maybe Brook was only playing bad because of his distress over Laboon? Or maybe you can't play music without a soul...

Also, why would it be temporarily exactly, luffy asked him to become his nakama, like zoro would say, it's not like they're playing pirates and you can go just like that when it pleases you... brooke was a pirate, and seeing how important he's promise to laboon is, he'd know at least that much.
It would HAVE to have been temporarily, because of the sun issue. It wouldn't be so much a matter of "playing pirates" as life or death. But as I said, there is a possibility that that reason will be taken away by Brooks getting his shadow back, and if so, he would probably join.
 

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Yeah, once that whole shadow matter'll be settle, there'll be no obstacle to him joining the crew, since they already accepted him, even chopper and usopp who were so afraid of him at first.

And maybe once they're reunite with laboon, he will follow the sunny the same way he did with brooke's former crew. I mean, he's so big now, even grand line would hardly be as dangerous as it was 50 years ago.
 

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XD could you imagine brooke's face when he see's the giant Mugiwara sign luffy painted on laboon. LOL

sorry off topic.. Considering luffy and nami's dreams and possibly sanji and robins as well will require multiple trips through the grand line .. eventually the strawhats will re-enter the grandline via reverse mountain and they will meet back up with laboon.. once brooke learns via the mugiwara's that laboon is still waiting and that they or more precsisly luffy stopped laboon from hurting itself ... I have no doubts that brooke will join the mugiwara's via unanimous decision.... not that it matters .. Luffy likes him and that's all that matters.
 

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XD could you imagine brooke's face when he see's the giant Mugiwara sign luffy painted on laboon. LOL

sorry off topic.. Considering luffy and nami's dreams and possibly sanji and robins as well will require multiple trips through the grand line .. eventually the strawhats will re-enter the grandline via reverse mountain and they will meet back up with laboon.. once brooke learns via the mugiwara's that laboon is still waiting and that they or more precsisly luffy stopped laboon from hurting itself ... I have no doubts that brooke will join the mugiwara's via unanimous decision.... not that it matters .. Luffy likes him and that's all that matters.
I don't know why you say that the dreams will take multiple trips through the Grand Line. Luffy only has to get to Raftel once, Nami just has to draw a map of every island once (that one may take multiple journeys, since they haven't been to EVERY island on this trip, but do you honestly think Luffy would quit adventuring, even after becoming Pirate King? He'll probably go back to East Blue after he becomes Pirate King so that the Straw Hats can be re-united with their family and friends, but then he'll go right back in and this time explore every last island, which he'll be able to take the time to do because he won't have to worry about being the first one to Raftel. That's when all the Straw Hats from the Grand Line, except for Brook, who will see Laboon again when they go back to Reverse Mountain to get out of the Grand Line, will meet up with THEIR loved ones.) And the Rio Poneglyph is on Raftel, I suspect. I think Roger found it and took it with him, which supports my theory of "One Piece" being knowledge and adventure. And Sanji will probably find All Blue near one of the islands they visit on this trip, near the end of the journey.

And why you say Brook will join now that he knows Laboon is waiting for him, I've come to agree. And yeah, it'll be funny to see his reaction to the Straw Hatted Skull & Crossbones Luffy drew on Laboon.
 
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