Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Crimson Ice]

The energy it needed to travel that far is immense and he was only aiming at Fairy Tail. Dimaria stated he could have destroy Hargeon or Magnolia which both have a much bigger radius than the attacks Laxus and Natsu produced.


Yeah but that just could implied that would do major damage to his two million army not his actual S12. You have still yet to prove an actual difference between Etherions. A canon is only a way to shoot energy it's not the energy itself which is Etherion. Yeah and Wahl can use all those elements with his Weakness magic.

It was room full of fodder that charged it.

Spoiler

Etherion is Etherion there has never been a different type of Etherion. The magic has no other forms unlike regular magic.

No, he said, in general, he didn't specify the army or the 12. You have yet to prove they're the same. The Same type of magic doesn't EQUATE TO SAME STRENGTH? Are Natsu and Igneel's roar the same strength, but according to you, they should be because it's the same type of magic. You claimed they're the same you have to prove it. They aren't fodder is they can produce a blast over 316011.235955 times stronger Jura's MT Fuji move.


Etherion is Etherion yes but doesn't mean every canon firing it will be the same strength, every time I have 'debate' with you it's always over obvious stuff....

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I don't see any feat from Gajeel that would put him on the same tier as Base Natsu.
Having him even on the same tier with Gray and Erza is arguable.

LOL Gajeel had enough Durability to pretty much take all of Bradman's onslaught, not to mention he stalemated an Ice Devil Rage with a base roar.

 

[Char]

LOL Gajeel had enough Durability to pretty much take all of Bradman's onslaught, not to mention he stalemated an Ice Devil Rage with a base roar.

While that's true, I wouldn't say it as if Gajeel is authomatically superior to DeS Gray, since I believe DeS Gray's roar to be superior to that of Bradman's. I gues DF Gajeel should only be slightly superior to DeS Gray.

 

[Hermit]

Jellal is at the bottom with the other Spriggan,although he beat Neinhart he would lose to Jacob,

What the.....How do you even figure that? Jellal losing to Lessio? Considering he can just use Abyss Break or Sema to cover the entire ground where Lessio is creeping around in, it's pretty obvious who's superior...he can even fly using Meteor and escape Transport quite easily..

Natsu can stomp spriggans with Igneel's power. He can essentially one-shot Jacob-tier spriggans with his own power, provided they don't get him with their hax first.

Uh. no he can't do that, Igneel's power is being overrated to the point where it's getting worrisome, the only reason Natsu had that much of an edge over Zeref is because Zeref wasn't intending to fight back in the first place, so he was obviously going to use his weaker spells..
We know he can stop time, why didn't he use that against Natsu if he was indeed serious?

He didn't even use the Death Pillar that he used to finish off Hades, which I'm dead sure Natsu could never incinerate.

Also regarding Natsu incinerating Zeref's Death Orb, Ultear did something similar on Tenrou, so it isn't entirely all that impressive, I would even say Zeref was more impressed since he knew Natsu had reached a level where he could kill him.
Natsu setting sections of the earth on fire simply by wielding Igneel's power...we had also seen that in Sun Village with Silver, and I say Silver's feat was more impressive since he covered an entire village plus the surroundings as compared to Natsu.

There is no way Natsu is beating any of the Spriggan 12 using Igneel's flames

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Gajeel only won against Brandmann,because of plot.
He has macro and doesn't use it,it was just a bad fight,made to give some drama and tension to the war(lasted 2 chapters).

 

[Boomburst]

What the.....How do you even figure that? Jellal losing to Lessio? Considering he can just use Abyss Break or Sema to cover the entire ground where Lessio is creeping around in, it's pretty obvious who's superior...he can even fly using Meteor and escape Transport quite easily..


Uh. no he can't do that, Igneel's power is being overrated to the point where it's getting worrisome, the only reason Natsu had that much of an edge over Zeref is because Zeref wasn't intending to fight back in the first place, so he was obviously going to use his weaker spells..
We know he can stop time, why didn't he use that against Natsu if he was indeed serious?

He didn't even use the Death Pillar that he used to finish off Hades, which I'm dead sure Natsu could never incinerate.

Also regarding Natsu incinerating Zeref's Death Orb, Ultear did something similar on Tenrou, so it isn't entirely all that impressive, I would even say Zeref was more impressed since he knew Natsu had reached a level where he could kill him.
Natsu setting sections of the earth on fire simply by wielding Igneel's power...we had also seen that in Sun Village with Silver, and I say Silver's feat was more impressive since he covered an entire village plus the surroundings as compared to Natsu.

There is no way Natsu is beating any of the Spriggan 12 using Igneel's flames

Natsu's feat and Silvers get were completely different. Silver froze the village intentionally, while Natsu set the earth on fire just by being there.

Sure Zeref wasn't being entirely serious, but the fact that Natsu with Igneels flames was powerful enough to kill Zeref is crazy. He's strong enough to kill someone who's UNKILLABLE. Match Natsu up against a Spriggan and he would demolish them.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Gajeel only won against Brandmann,because of plot.
He has macro and doesn't use it,it was just a bad fight,made to give some drama and tension to the war(lasted 2 chapters).

That fight makes Gajeel and Bradman incredibly hard to rank, I'd put Bradman as a high-mid tier or low-high tier spriggan due to how incredibly hax he is, though he doesn't exactly make great use of it....... At this point I'd genuinely like to have two versions of Bradman, the guild stomping monster and the one Gajeel fought. Then again Bradman may have been ridiculously overconfident in his fight with Gajeel as the latter couldn't touch the former for most of the fight and when Gajeel could touch him it was either too late or Bradman was too shocked to do anything. Meh, that fight puts a bad taste in my mouth, Bradman should have won......

 

[Hermit]

He's strong enough to kill someone who's UNKILLABLE.

That's mere speculation, Zeref said 'It MIGHT be able to kill an immortal', emphasis on the word might here..

Silver froze the village intentionally, while Natsu set the earth on fire just by being there.

Actually, Natsu had to combine Igneel's powers + FDKM to set the earth on fire, while Silver was in base form when he froze the village, it's pretty obvious who's superior:

So there is no way Natsu is demolishing any of the Spriggan 12, even before he had met Azir and Brandish and he was already intending to use Igneel's power to fight them, it wouldn't affect them

 

[Crimson Ice]

While that's true, I wouldn't say it as if Gajeel is authomatically superior to DeS Gray, since I believe DeS Gray's roar to be superior to that of Bradman's. I gues DF Gajeel should only be slightly superior to DeS Gray.

Not talking about DeS Gray im talking about Base Gray and Base Natsu. DF Gajeel should be a decent amount ahead of Gray it all depends on this supposed trump card Gray has.

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Gajeel only won against Brandmann,because of plot.
He has macro and doesn't use it,it was just a bad fight,made to give some drama and tension to the war(lasted 2 chapters).

Stop with this plot BS, the fight was a Gajeel vs Torafusa v2. but he never won because of plot. People still thinking Macro can affect anyone

 

[Shoutmon]

What the.....How do you even figure that? Jellal losing to Lessio? Considering he can just use Abyss Break or Sema to cover the entire ground where Lessio is creeping around in, it's pretty obvious who's superior...he can even fly using Meteor and escape Transport quite easily..


Uh. no he can't do that, Igneel's power is being overrated to the point where it's getting worrisome, the only reason Natsu had that much of an edge over Zeref is because Zeref wasn't intending to fight back in the first place, so he was obviously going to use his weaker spells..
We know he can stop time, why didn't he use that against Natsu if he was indeed serious?

He didn't even use the Death Pillar that he used to finish off Hades, which I'm dead sure Natsu could never incinerate.

Also regarding Natsu incinerating Zeref's Death Orb, Ultear did something similar on Tenrou, so it isn't entirely all that impressive, I would even say Zeref was more impressed since he knew Natsu had reached a level where he could kill him.
Natsu setting sections of the earth on fire simply by wielding Igneel's power...we had also seen that in Sun Village with Silver, and I say Silver's feat was more impressive since he covered an entire village plus the surroundings as compared to Natsu.

There is no way Natsu is beating any of the Spriggan 12 using Igneel's flames

Zeref only stopped fighting back when he realized that Natsu was using the power of a dead being, before that he was getting blitzed to the point of barely being able to retaliate. Him not using his time magic could just be because he wanted to see how much Natsu had grown, he couldn't have used his death pillar,because as I've said, he was getting blitzed for the majority of the fight, and the battle between Zeref and Ultear was never shown in the manga. We just got the aftermath, with him already being defeated (unless I'm missing something).

Natsu, with his own power, can one-shot Jacob. I honestly don't see him losing to Neinhart and I'm pretty certain he can beat Ajeel too.Now with a portion of the second most powerful character in the verse's power, I have absolutely no doubt he can stomp the majority of them.

So there is no way Natsu is demolishing any of the Spriggan 12, even before he had met Azir and Brandish and he was already intending to use Igneel's power to fight them, it wouldn't affect them

How can you be so sure it would'nt affect them? Brandish's only durability feat was getting knocked out by Cana and Ajeel got defeated by a combination of Erza's attacks and a shot from the Jupiter cannon, both of which are way less impressive than an FDK spell, much less one powered by Igneel's magic

 

[Boomburst]

That's mere speculation, Zeref said 'It MIGHT be able to kill an immortal', emphasis on the word might here..

Actually, Natsu had to combine Igneel's powers + FDKM to set the earth on fire, while Silver was in base form when he froze the village, it's pretty obvious who's superior:

So there is no way Natsu is demolishing any of the Spriggan 12, even before he had met Azir and Brandish and he was already intending to use Igneel's power to fight them, it wouldn't affect them

I don't think you understood what I was saying about Natsu and Silver. I'm saying that Silver INTENTIONALLY used his magic to freeze the village, while Natsu set the earth on fire JUST BY BEING THERE. They're completely different scenarios. If Silver was just walking through the village and his very presence was enough to freeze the entire village then I would agree with you but that isn't the case here.

It's not mere speculation, Zeref pretty much confirmed it. All the hype and tension in that battle would be completely gone if Natsu wasn't actually able to kill Zeref. Why do you think Zeref went into that monologue about Natsu and his past? He knew that Natsu was capable of killing him and he wanted to tell Natsu about himself before he died.

 

[Woodenstool]

Where's Gildarts? He's a lot stronger than Laxus and Natsu.

 

[JohnnyMason]

Where's Gildarts? He's a lot stronger than Laxus and Natsu.

He's not. Natsu casually one shot Bluenote which is something Gildarts wasn't even capable of doing. Laxus on the other hand is stronger than Natsu. It is simple power scaling.

 

[kemor]

So Natsu demolished and raped Jacob, cancelled out August's spell, was one step away from killing Zeref and people still don't think he can take on a Spriggan? I'm getting a headache. The only person in FT right now that's superior to Natsu is Laxus. I am not counting Gildarts cuz he's somewhere fapping to porn mags, but Natsu > Erza, Gray, Gajeel and Laxus > Natsu. Keep in mind Enryuuo Mode is his own power, everything Igneel left him is gone. I hope he gets to fight Irene or another Spriggan so that w get a clear answer, cuz it's getting annoying.

 

[Woodenstool]

He's not. Natsu casually one shot Bluenote which is something Gildarts wasn't even capable of doing. Laxus on the other hand is stronger than Natsu. It is simple power scaling.

Lol!

Google Natsu vs Gildarts Reddit.

 

[The President]

Wendy actually only been neared KOed twice and when she was hit by the attack she only had her past pained from previous arcs not her current one also. If you have fought against a lot of enemies and been near death multiple times then Age Scratch would be able to KO you.

She's been injured by Zancrow, Azuma, Dorma Anim, Shellia, Bluenote, Ezel, Hades, Third Origin activation, Jackal among other things and a few of these left her in terrible states when only two hard fought battles (she's had more) is all that is needed to KO someone, if it had been as simple as you claim. There is no twisting this in your favour mate, Laxus ain't getting KO'd. The actual physical injuries (blood loss, organ damage etc...) is the primary factor for KO'ing a mage, the pain is a secondary nuisance. Kyuoka should have more then proved that to you.

Irene did one new magic she just learned and couple basic spells against Acnologia and you think we know her magic through and through? Not to mention her new magic she just learned possessed the properties of Reality Warping which is greater than timestop. August probably has time related abilities and Acnologia knows every forms of magic so he obviously has a counter for timestop and he also has his Dragon Resistance. If they didn't have a counter to her timestop then they'd be a lot weaker than her. She could just stop time and stabb them in the head.

Right, you want to speculate that she knows time manipulation go ahead and provide a basis for it. Baseless speculation doesn't provide for a sound argument, the argument that she must know it because she has 'stronger' magic is also frankly terrible for obvious reasons. Not to mention that spacial relocation is in no shape or form superior to actual time manipulation lol. Unless Acnologia is omnipotent he can't counter Age Seal.

Except she can't, because they can overpower her magic, as they are canonically stronger then her.

No Limits Fallacy has nothing to do with Age Seal. Do you even know what the term means? There is no limit to stopping time unless you have a counter or resistance to it.

You are assuming that she is tapping directly into the stream of time instead of it being her magic itself serving as a time replacer/conductor within a certain radius around her (much like Racers ability). In simpler terms, her magic acts as time within a certain field for her and her opponents/allies, while time itself is safely ticking outside and inside (although masked by her magic) of the radius (Hence the guild could still sense, Ultear can control her thought projection, the North, West, East can still go about their march etc.....). Even simpler terms, her magic acts as pseudo/fake time, real time is still flowing. Had it been the former:

i) Whole world would have stopped, you can't just stop time itself here and leave it there
ii) She would be the strongest mage, she's not
iii) Kagura wouldn't be able to think to herself

Can't break it down more then that, if you still disagree on how her magic works and insist that she's nigh omnipotent then I'll agree to disagree on Age Seal. Maybe she'll come back (with her being separated from the others, seemingly) and hiro will show you that she's not as invincible as you claim.

Lol you're comparing August durability with Acnologia??? You're kidding right because we have actually seen that normal methods such as guns or swords have no effect on Acnologia.

It makes no difference. Acnologia is not universes above August in durability and Brandish had zero trouble cutting through a unexpected August. Even Natsu has stopped bullets, a superhuman swinging his/her sword >>> bullets.

Zeref already knows he cannot put down Acnologia down with just his magic that's why he trying to get Fairy Heart to bomb Acnologia with infinite Etherion and he most likely knows Acno has resistance or a counter to it. Acnologia has seen every forms of magic too.

Zeref knows he cannot take on a full powered Acnologia, there is no reason why he can't hurt a caught off guard human Acnologia.

She stopped the flow of time in the city too as you can see the clock froze in time and Gray and everyone where on the battlefield and in the city so again she stopped the flow of time of everyone in the South battlefield. Her Age Seal stops the flow of time that infinitely greater than Racer's ability which only distorts your perception . The guild can only see dots on a screen they can't actually see the in fights . Her God Soul CHRONOS can control time itself so ofc it would be stronger then her Age Seal .

Good luck proving that. A still image of a clock tower doesn't really help. The dots would disappear instantaneously, the radar shows enough to differentiate between downright dead and defeated, a lot more accurate then you make it out to be. Her Age Seal was redundant at that point, she had already used it and it failed so she tells them that they are about to experience the true power of the 12, clearly implying that Age Seal wasn't it and that Age Seal isn't Spriggan 12 level magic, for that matter.

It's just a metaphor, Kagura didn't know jack squat of anything happening and it's clear as day you're just ignoring facts at this point. Kagura did only sense her magic wth are you talking about? No one in the South knew of Dimaria ability until Ultear came? Do I need to post all the chapters with her in it or what?

She says that its as if time itself is frozen and she does it while Age Seal is active (the very next panel Age Seal is deactivated).

She never froze the battlefield until the next page. How the fudge did Sherria who was easily frozen in time look back when time was frozen? She stopped time in the next page.

Kaguras clothes were off the next page, what are you talking about. Sherria and co looked back and then Dimaria froze time. Kagura thought to herself and then Dimaria undos Age Seal and makes a snarky remark as Kaguras clothes fall off.

Kagura did not resist it as I said before she didn't even know wth was happening. She was in now way resisting technique and your Age Seal only works on fodder argument is just full of BS.

Kagura is not fodder, she's just not Spriggan level.

 

[JohnnyMason]

Lol!

Google Natsu vs Gildarts Reddit.

I did and it literally proved nothing. Some of the people on Gildarts' side had arguments such "Natsu has inconsistent strength" but literally forgot that it was only x784 and x791 Natsu(which are very much outdated now btw) that was portrayed that way. Natsu has consistently proved his strength during all of x792.

If Gildarts were truly stronger than Natsu then he would have beaten Bluenote with oneshot in much more casual way than Natsu what did.

 

[Indira]

I'm not sure why people are saying DF Gajeel is above x character (especially against characters that have yet to show their powers/haven't gone all out) or below x character
We have to take into account that he had a draw against a spriggan with assistance from Levy.
We also have to take into account that Gajeel didn't use his own powers, he ABSORBED the magical particles with his lungs and transceneded into DF.

It's incredibly hard to rank him.

DF Gajeel on his own will (without absorbing any BS) should be logically lower than the DF Gajeel that fought Bradman.

It's bizarre how DF Gajeel still doesn't know how to go DF on his own.

 

[Takuan]

@Woodenstool @ JohnnyMason
You guys should go read the Natsu VS Gildarts discussion on the FT Tournament threaad if didn't read it already. And continue your debate over there. Plenty of opinions and arguments given already, check it out

 

[Boomburst]

She's been injured by Zancrow, Azuma, Dorma Anim, Shellia, Bluenote, Ezel, Hades, Third Origin activation, Jackal among other things and a few of these left her in terrible states when only two hard fought battles (she's had more) is all that is needed to KO someone, if it had been as simple as you claim. There is no twisting this in your favour mate, Laxus ain't getting KO'd. The actual physical injuries (blood loss, organ damage etc...) is the primary factor for KO'ing a mage, the pain is a secondary nuisance. Kyuoka should have more then proved that to you.



Right, you want to speculate that she knows time manipulation go ahead and provide a basis for it. Baseless speculation doesn't provide for a sound argument, the argument that she must know it because she has 'stronger' magic is also frankly terrible for obvious reasons. Not to mention that spacial relocation is in no shape or form superior to actual time manipulation lol. Unless Acnologia is omnipotent he can't counter Age Seal.

Except she can't, because they can overpower her magic, as they are canonically stronger then her.



You are assuming that she is tapping directly into the stream of time instead of it being her magic itself serving as a time replacer/conductor within a certain radius around her (much like Racers ability). In simpler terms, her magic acts as time within a certain field for her and her opponents/allies, while time itself is safely ticking outside and inside (although masked by her magic) of the radius (Hence the guild could still sense, Ultear can control her thought projection, the North, West, East can still go about their march etc.....). Even simpler terms, her magic acts as pseudo/fake time, real time is still flowing. Had it been the former:

i) Whole world would have stopped, you can't just stop time itself here and leave it there
ii) She would be the strongest mage, she's not
iii) Kagura wouldn't be able to think to herself

Can't break it down more then that, if you still disagree on how her magic works and insist that she's nigh omnipotent then I'll agree to disagree on Age Seal. Maybe she'll come back (with her being separated from the others, seemingly) and hiro will show you that she's not as invincible as you claim.



It makes no difference. Acnologia is not universes above August in durability and Brandish had zero trouble cutting through a unexpected August. Even Natsu has stopped bullets, a superhuman swinging his/her sword >>> bullets.



Zeref knows he cannot take on a full powered Acnologia, there is no reason why he can't hurt a caught off guard human Acnologia.



Good luck proving that. A still image of a clock tower doesn't really help. The dots would disappear instantaneously, the radar shows enough to differentiate between downright dead and defeated, a lot more accurate then you make it out to be. Her Age Seal was redundant at that point, she had already used it and it failed so she tells them that they are about to experience the true power of the 12, clearly implying that Age Seal wasn't it and that Age Seal isn't Spriggan 12 level magic, for that matter.



She says that its as if time itself is frozen and she does it while Age Seal is active (the very next panel Age Seal is deactivated).



Kaguras clothes were off the next page, what are you talking about. Sherria and co looked back and then Dimaria froze time. Kagura thought to herself and then Dimaria undos Age Seal and makes a snarky remark as Kaguras clothes fall off.



Kagura is not fodder, she's just not Spriggan level.

I'm not going to say anything about Dimaria or Acnologia, I'm just gonna comment on what you said about Kyouka. Her battle with Erza was such complete and utter bullshit that I don't think we should be using anything from those scenes as evidence -_-

 

[kemor]

I'm not sure why people are saying Gajeel is above x character or below x character
We have to take into account that he had a draw against a spriggan with assistance from Levy.
We also have to take into account that Gajeel didn't use his own powers, he ABSORBED the magical particles with his lungs and transceneded into DF.

It's incredibly hard to rank him.

DF Gajeel on his own will (without absorbing any BS) should be logically lower than the DF Gajeel that fought Bradman.

It's bizarre how DF Gajeel still doesn't know how to go DF on his own.

To be honest only Wendy knows how to enter DF. I'm talking about 1st Generation Slayers. Natsu appears to enter his whenever he snaps, like during Mard Gear fight or when he enhanced himself with Etherion.