Final Jellal Fernandes vs Natsu Dragneel

[Hermit]

Jellal takes this, easily..
He's always been stronger than Natsu, and the only reason Natsu even pulled out that narrow win in the Tower was because Jellal was holding back and trying not to destroy it, heck immediately he threw caution to the wind and decided to destroy the Tower with Abyss Break an old injury kicked in..
I'll use a more recent example, Jellal was able to one shot a completely healthy, untouched NeinHart with a basic spell (and even kill him), while Natsu had to enter FDKM, use what was possibly his strongest attack in that mode, and even then he didn't kill Lessio..
And no, before anyone says Natsu one shotted Lessio, look closely:

Spoiler: Attack 1

Spoiler: Attack 2

Spoiler: Attack 3

Spoiler: Attack 4

Spoiler: Attack 5

Spoiler: Attack 6

All this happened before Natsu finished him off, so no, Natsu did not one shot Lessio.
Jellal will take this mid diff

 

[NeoChrome]

Natsu shouldn't have gotten past Gildarts, Jellal takes this with high difficulty.

Also regarding DF, I seriously doubt it's any stronger than FDKM, otherwise Natsu would've just used DF against Zeref instead of training his ass off to achieve a new form.

 

[Takuan]

Natsu shouldn't have gotten past Gildarts, Jellal takes this with high difficulty.

In my opinion he shoudn't have gotten past God Serena to begin with.
But then again, as salty as one could be about that, the majority voted Natsu and now we have to accept it. We have to judge Natsu VS Jellal, without taking "Natsu shouldn't have won before" as an argument. Othrwise we could argue that Jellal shouldn't have won VS Laxus etc, and question every past battles. There's no point in doing it, let's not start previous debates again.

 

[THE ALMIGHTY CRYBABY]

All this happened before Natsu finished him off, so no, Natsu did not one shot Lessio.
Jellal will take this mid diff

Well, I noticed that some people cannot really tell the difference between finisher moves and oneshots!
Oneshoot means that when the battle starts you defeat your enemy with your very first attack ( no diff win ) while finisher moves are used at the end of the fight to knock down an exhausted opponent with your best spell!

Also regarding DF, I seriously doubt it's any stronger than FDKM, otherwise Natsu would've just used DF against Zeref instead of training his ass off to achieve a new form.

Natsu didn't use DF against Zeref because he is immortal ( with that mode he can't kill him). The chances were higher for Natsu to assassinate Zeref with Igneel's power ( magic granted by the dead) and thus end the war immediately!!!!

 

[Raven]

Just want to add something Jellal himself said Natsu's power is limitless which proves Natsu > Jellal.

 

[Hermit]

It's late and I need to go to bed but since I know this thread will have quintupled by the time I wake up I'll just list Natsu and Jellal's feats arc by arc (from the moment he came back as a good guy):
Oracion Seis Arc:
-An amnesiac Jellal with no idea of who he is or where he is or what his magic is, one shots Brain with an unknown spell, while Natsu struggles to beat Cobra high difficulty, and even then he would have lost if Brain hadn't shown up to finish off Cobra
-Natsu then beats Zero (but with Jellal's help), ironically enough, and I would place Zero just below Jellal, considering the fact that Natsu's Etherion DF was stronger than his Flame of Rebuke one (since with Etherion it completely pushed his body to the limit to a point where he couldn't move afterwards)

Grand Magic Games Arc:
-Jellal would have beaten Jura (yes I still stand by this), while Natsu with SO beats the Twin Dragons, who were obviously way way weaker than Jura

Tartarus Arc:
Jellal single handedly beats Six S-class wizards, without any help at all from Meredy, while Natsu needed help to take out any of the Demon Gates who he fought. Actually thinking about it he drew with Jackal and he beat Franmalth with Lucy's help, but he couldn't beat Tempesta.

Alvarez Arc:
I stated it in my earlier post.

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Just want to add something Jellal himself said Natsu's power is limitless which proves Natsu > Jellal.

I'm pretty sure Jellal was just being modest here and respecting the person who beat him out of his illusion in the first place, it's the same way Erza said in Phantom Lord to Jose that Natsu had surpassed her, when we knew that Erza was way stronger than him back then

 

[Raven]

It's late and I need to go to bed but since I know this thread will have quintupled by the time I wake up I'll just list Natsu and Jellal's feats arc by arc (from the moment he came back as a good guy):
Oracion Seis Arc:
-An amnesiac Jellal with no idea of who he is or where he is or what his magic is, one shots Brain with an unknown spell, while Natsu struggles to beat Cobra high difficulty, and even then he would have lost if Brain hadn't shown up to finish off Cobra
-Natsu then beats Zero (but with Jellal's help), ironically enough, and I would place Zero just below Jellal, considering the fact that Natsu's Etherion DF was stronger than his Flame of Rebuke one (since with Etherion it completely pushed his body to the limit to a point where he couldn't move afterwards)

Grand Magic Games Arc:
-Jellal would have beaten Jura (yes I still stand by this), while Natsu with SO beats the Twin Dragons, who were obviously way way weaker than Jura

Tartarus Arc:
Jellal single handedly beats Six S-class wizards, without any help at all from Meredy, while Natsu needed help to take out any of the Demon Gates who he fought. Actually thinking about it he drew with Jackal and he beat Franmalth with Lucy's help, but he couldn't beat Tempesta.

Alvarez Arc:
I stated it in my earlier post.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 27, 2016, Original Post Date: Jun 27, 2016 ---

I'm pretty sure Jellal was just being modest here and respecting the person who beat him out of his illusion in the first place, it's the same way Erza said in Phantom Lord to Jose that Natsu had surpassed her, when we knew that Erza was way stronger than him back then

He didn't say it to Natsu directly tho, he also said Natsu shape the future if i recall correctly.

 

[Stormsfury]

Stop bringing DF Natsu into this argument, when DF Natsu hasn't been shown, if you want DF Natsu, then you get Tartaros DF Natsu and Jellal will stomp Tartaros DF Natsu. You also don't know if he can go into it at will.

 

[Takuan]

Stop bringing DF Natsu into this argument, when DF Natsu hasn't been shown, if you want DF Natsu, then you get Tartaros DF Natsu and Jellal will stomp Tartaros DF Natsu. You also don't know if he can go into it at will.

Lots of people, myself included, agree with you, however now DF Natsu in the tournament IS a thing. We have to take DF into consideration, it even became a rule that Natsu possesses DF and can activate it at will. It has been stated for the first time in the Natsu VS God Serena thread.

 

[Boomburst]

I personally think the end of ToH Natsu vs Jellal where Jellal was about to use Abyss Break was kinda dumb. I mean, yea sure Abyss Break might have taken out Natsu, but he monologued for a shit ton of time while setting it up while Natsu just stood there staring at him like an idiot. Natsu theoretically should have easily been able to beat Jellal in DF, it's only because of PiS that Natsu couldn't stop Jellal from setting up Abyss Break.

 

[Static]

Stop bringing DF Natsu into this argument, when DF Natsu hasn't been shown, if you want DF Natsu, then you get Tartaros DF Natsu and Jellal will stomp Tartaros DF Natsu. You also don't know if he can go into it at will.

He did go into it at will in Tartaros without the help of any external power and according to the rules, characters are not held back by emotions.

Imho, Jellal takes this high difficulty if Natsu uses BDKM but if the DF transformation is great then Natsu will win. But it all depends on how much more powerful he will become so someone please explain

 

[Stormsfury]

Lots of people, myself included, agree with you, however now DF Natsu in the tournament IS a thing. We have to take DF into consideration, it even became a rule that Natsu possesses DF and can activate it at will. It has been stated for the first time in the Natsu VS God Serena thread.

He did go into it at will in Tartaros without the help of any external power and according to the rules, characters are not held back by emotions.

Imho, Jellal takes this high difficulty if Natsu uses BDKM but if the DF transformation is great then Natsu will win. But it all depends on how much more powerful he will become so someone please explain

Then you get Tartaros DF, not some DF that we haven't seen yet.

 

[Jko]

Natsu has too many ways to just end the fight right then and there tbh. Jellal doesn't have the durability to tank any of Natsu's big moves.

Spoiler: Finisher 1

Spoiler: Finisher 2

Spoiler: Finisher 3

Spoiler: Finisher 4

Not to mention Natsu would blitz him before he got any cast time

Spoiler

Natsu is just too much for Jellal and he has the feats to back his hype up.

 

[BluePegasus]

It's pretty funny how people make it sound like Dragon Force is the key to success. Seriously, exactly which feat has it which surpasses Fire Dragon King Mode?

The best feat which Dragon Force has is Crimson Lotus Phoenix Sword. Firstly, it couldn't even defeat an already injured Mard Geer. Secondly, almost every spell from Fire Dragon King Mode is more impressive.

I'm sorry, but even DF Sting's Holy Ray looks more impressive than DF Natsu's Crimson Lotus Phoenix Sword..

Spoiler

Now I think we can all agree that Natsu's most powerful spell is this:

Spoiler

Yes, it's pretty impressive. But since this is Natsu's strongest spell, Jellal will just laugh to it.

Spoiler: Size of a whole battlefield.

Spoiler: Size of the sky above the south.

And last but not least..

Spoiler: Able to destroy a huge crystal tower.

Only one of the above spells should be able to destroy Natsu. The only reason why Jellal would have some difficulty is because he needs to find some time to cast them.

 

[Demon Hunter]

I don't know why are people counting AoE here or attacks that were used against fodders.

 

[Static]

Oh wait, wouldn't Jellal be affected by Natsu's BDKM aura too?

@BluePegasus : Bro, it's outright stated DF is the strongest form a DS can achieve.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Oh wait, wouldn't Jellal be affected by Natsu's BDKM aura too?.

Suits Jellal fine, he should be putting range between them anyway.

 

[Static]

Suits Jellal fine, he should be putting range between them anyway.

You have a point but the aura extends up to the GMG arena and Natsu can try going near him too right?

 

[Ebony Maw]

You have a point but the aura extends up to the GMG arena and Natsu can try going near him too right?

True but if he's trying to go after Jellal he's going to have to outpace Meteor, which he's probably slower than in BDKM.

 

[Static]

True but if he's trying to go after Jellal he's going to have to outpace Meteor, which he's probably slower than in BDKM.

What about DF? Shouldn't he be faster in it?