Final Jellal Fernandes vs Natsu Dragneel

[Jko]

Emotions and stuff like that are not a factor here so embarassment is not one either. Based on this i can just say that yours is not a valid argument for your case

It was a joke...Lol. But Natsu still wins by a big margin.

 

[Jellal.S.N]

I believe solid/three dimensional seal and blind snake will be a deciding factor not because they are strong, but what Jellal can do after he casts it. I will, however, accept the fact that Natsu might be able to burn off blind snake. Natsu is definitely tanking sema as we can only talk about tartaros level. Tarataros DF might blitz Jellal but not by much as it is inferior by an arc. And so is Sema so Natsu is surviving it but not unscathed. I agree partly with Sam's point that Natsu might be able to reduce Sema's impact but not stop it. The heat ain't doing shit to Natsu but the rock is going to affect him, simple as that. Now, we have only been talking about HB, but I would like to throw some light onto Darkness magic. We have seen darkness magic spells not do much damage but they are good enough to stall Natsu. There is a spell which has a magic seal appearing below the target and causing him to explode from the inside. And Jellal also has telekinesis with which he can move and strangle wizards at his will, even his thought projection can use it (as seen when Siegrain 'floats' a book into its shelf). And if you refer to the episodes, you see they are spells with less cast time and telekinesis is going to help him a lot. Other than these, he has his primary HB magic. Meteor was last seen in Tartaros and it could blitz and punch someone who can hear his opponent's movements (Cobra). I won't be speculating it to be any faster as we have no given feats. Damn this thread is heated, and I thought Jellal vs Laxus would be like that.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Solid seal and bind snakes aren't doing shit when Natsu can burn magic.

 

[Jellal.S.N]

Solid seal and bind snakes aren't doing shit when Natsu can burn magic.

I stated that blink snake can't affect Natsu but solid seal will. They are like pillars of magic. The only counter against it is cast time as it was never shown.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I stated that blink snake can't affect Natsu but solid seal will. They are like pillars of magic. The only counter against it is cast time as it was never shown.

He can literally burn through magic, the pillars themselves aren't keep Natsu down, especially in BDKM.

 

[Jellal.S.N]

He can literally burn through magic, the pillars themselves aren't keep Natsu down, especially in BDKM.

Yea, and I also stated that all Jellal has to do is stall him. Imo, the only way you can stop Jellal is by not letting him get into a groove. Telekinesis has zero cast time and Jellal can keep tossing Natsu and strangle him. Even his thought projection can do it. Once Jellal casts a spell and Natsu takes damage, I don't see Natsu standing there after getting hit. He will surely get damage and this is the time to cast another spell for Jellal. I see it as a barrage of attacks. This is however my opinion.

 

[Hermit]

I don't think it's entirely fair to say that Tartaros DF Natsu is fast because he blitzed Mard Geer, as far as we are concerned Mard never showed any considerable speed feats to be considered a fast opponent, I believe his major strengths lied in his Curse Power and his durability and not speed feats...
Therefore it is safe to assume that TOH DF Natsu's speed has always been constant in the series, with no improvements even when he entered DF in subsequent fights..
Considering in the same arc Jellal was able to completely outrun Racer in base form, without even using Meteor, I think it's pretty obvious who the faster mage between the two is..

 

[Jellal.S.N]

I don't think it's entirely fair to say that Tartaros DF Natsu is fast because he blitzed Mard Geer, as far as we are concerned Mard never showed any considerable speed feats to be considered a fast opponent, I believe his major strengths lied in his Curse Power and his durability and not speed feats...
Therefore it is safe to assume that TOH DF Natsu's speed has always been constant in the series, with no improvements even when he entered DF in subsequent fights..
Considering in the same arc Jellal was able to completely outrun Racer in base form, without even using Meteor, I think it's pretty obvious who the faster mage between the two is..

I'm pretty sure Jellal's prediction thing helped him too. When it comes to general speed and maneuvering, Jellal takes it but combat speed, DF Natsu for sure.On ground:- Natsu
In air(when flying):- Jellal
Natsu needs to propel himself and he was jumping continuously until he propelled to Jellal.

 

[Shoutmon]

Wait, is solid seal even a thing? Because at first I thought it was, but then the person who originally brought it up revealed that he was only speculating that it existed or something to explain why OS didn't dodge Jellal's Grand Chariot. Because it's not listed as one of Jellal's moves in the wiki.

 

[Jellal.S.N]

Wait, is solid seal even a thing? Because at first I thought it was, but then the person who originally brought it up revealed that he was only speculating that it existed or something to explain why OS didn't dodge Jellal's Grand Chariot. Because it's not listed as one of Jellal's moves in the wiki.

Don't completely trust the wiki even tho it has minor facts which we may not come across. Solid seal or three dimensional seal(as in manga) is real. Jellal did not even begin casting GC at that point of time.

 

[Jko]

I don't think it's entirely fair to say that Tartaros DF Natsu is fast because he blitzed Mard Geer, as far as we are concerned Mard never showed any considerable speed feats to be considered a fast opponent, I believe his major strengths lied in his Curse Power and his durability and not speed feats...
Therefore it is safe to assume that TOH DF Natsu's speed has always been constant in the series, with no improvements even when he entered DF in subsequent fights..
Considering in the same arc Jellal was able to completely outrun Racer in base form, without even using Meteor, I think it's pretty obvious who the faster mage between the two is..

Racer is a joke to Base pre-ts Natsu so I wouldn't even count him as an impressive feat. Even pre-pre-ts Erza kept up with while fighting Cobra. Base Form Mard Geer kept up with the CSK speed. CSK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Racer so yeah blitzing Etherious Mard Geer is much better feat then keeping up with Racer.

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Edit: Natsu and Gray did fine against a man who can fly so I think this flight advantage is hardly a factor. Sema and GC are still stationary moves that take charge time while Natsu can do all his moves while moving with no charge time.

 

[Shoutmon]

Don't completely trust the wiki even tho it has minor facts which we may not come across. Solid seal or three dimensional seal(as in manga) is real. Jellal did not even begin casting GC at that point of time.

I don't know, I feel like they would've made a comment about not being able to move or something, because in the chapter (chapter 369) they only seemed to realise that Jellal had begun casting GC right as he was about to fire it.

 

[MCG_Raven]

I don't know, I feel like they would've made a comment about not being able to move or something, because in the chapter (chapter 369) they only seemed to realise that Jellal had begun casting GC right as he was about to fire it.

Precisely. everybody claiming ANYTHING about Solid Seal is assuming that it actually is a spell at all but it has done absolutely NOTHING in FT so far so even if it was a spell we don't know what it does and that means we can not take it into consideration for Jellals Arsenal of Spells. As it stands Solid Seal is connected to GC if anything because that is the only thing we have seen so far from it. It has NO movement restricting properties because that was not shown in any way. If it did we would have seen one or multiple OS Members struggling to move. We have not seen that so it did not do anything of the sorts.

 

[Ebony Maw]

I don't know, I feel like they would've made a comment about not being able to move or something, because in the chapter (chapter 369) they only seemed to realise that Jellal had begun casting GC right as he was about to fire it.

I'll share my speculation as to why I raised this in the first place:

In the battle with the OS we see that before Jellal casts Grand Chariot there are several pillars of light (in the exact formation of Grand Chariot) and that they are going up. After this Jellal says the incantation and uses the hand movements to activate Grand Chariot, as he is doing this there is light shinning on Jellal and then the seals appear in the sky. Before Grand Chariot happens we also see Racer say "It's a Three Dimensional Seal Formation!" or "Solid Seal?!". The reason I don't think the pillars of light prior to Grand Chariot are part of it is because none of the OS were being hurt or showed any sign of pain. A big part of why I think Solid Seal is a spell is also to do with how the OS themselves didn't make any attempt to move from their spot, notably Racer, who proved himself quite fast earlier in the fight. Given the below (please read that before continuing here), Racer should have been able to have escaped the area or at least have attempted to escape but didn't. With all of this taken I believe that the "Three Dimensional Seal Formation"/"Solid Seal" is something that Jellal has developed, it would even make sense for Jellal to do so, he knows that his main magic has longer cast times than other magic so designing something like this would be efficient. All of the above being said, I admit that this is speculation but it is reasonable speculation. If you don't believe this then that's fine but I just thought I should raise it as I noticed it. Thanks for reading.

Before you say that Racer's magic is slowing other people's perception I actually believe that Racer has his speed magic from KotSS. This is because earlier, when Cobra and Racer were attacking Jellal, Racer was outpacing Cobra quite significantly, by the time Racer had made several attempts at hitting Jellal, Cobra had only just come over. It's for this reason, and things like Angel's magic being different, their designs being different, Zentopia incident being mentioned etc. why I think that Racer has his speed magic from KotSS.

 

[Woodenstool]

August can block Sema with the same barrier he used to stop Laxus' nuke.

Imo a base roar from Natsu could stop X791 Sema from ever hitting the ground. X792 Sema is a different story...

There's no point in arguing with you Natsu fanboys. You all think Demolition fist is limitless and can destroy anything. He could probably break through Acnologias skin right?

Jellal wins, end of story. Well Natsu wins the tourament but facts say otherwise.

And Natsu used Igneels power against the God of war, btw.

 

[MCG_Raven]

There's no point in arguing with you Natsu fanboys. You all think Demolition fist is limitless and can destroy anything. He could probably break through Acnologias skin right?

Jellal wins, end of story. Well Natsu wins the tourament but facts say otherwise.

And Natsu used Igneels power against the God of war, btw.

Your Facts are wrong btw. Natsu did not use Igneels Power before the fight against Zeref. Remember the Scene where he took off the bandages and all that? Yeah this was done to show that he restricted himself up until this point and didn't used the power he received until this very moment. Claiming he did use the power before is a load of BS. Read the context of the hit against the God of War and you will see why it flashed to Igneel. Those People were about to sacrifice Family and friends for a stupid goal. Natsu lost his father Figure and at the same time one of his oldest Friends with Igneel. He wants to protect those he loves. He was merely enraged but not using Igneels power.

 

[Ebony Maw]

There's no point in arguing with you Natsu fanboys. You all think Demolition fist is limitless and can destroy anything. He could probably break through Acnologias skin right?

Jellal wins, end of story. Well Natsu wins the tourament but facts say otherwise.

And Natsu used Igneels power against the God of war, btw.

Even if we disagree with what other people are voting at least be respectful, no one (at least I hope lol) is saying Natsu/Jellal no diff's the other and everyone has put forth their opinion/argument, there's no need to pull out the fanboy card.

 

[Boomburst]

There's no point in arguing with you Natsu fanboys. You all think Demolition fist is limitless and can destroy anything. He could probably break through Acnologias skin right?

Jellal wins, end of story. Well Natsu wins the tourament but facts say otherwise.

And Natsu used Igneels power against the God of war, btw.

Lol this coming from the guy who thinks Sema can oneshot August? Hilarious.

 

[Axiomus]

And Natsu used Igneels power against the God of war, btw.

Natsu was not using Igneel's power against the god of war. I've gone over this countless times by now. Natsu only used Zeref's power when he unwrapped the bandages against Zeref. Natsu had said he can only use Igneel's power once, and that's exactly what he did - used it against Zeref. I don't see why people can't accept this at face value.

Natsu does not need to use Igneel's power to cast FDK spells: When Natsu started unwrapping his bandages, Happy was surprised that Natsu was going to use Igneel's power so soon against Zeref when he started to unwrap his bandages. Happy had absolutely no reaction to Natsu using a fire dragon's roar against the Alvarez Troops. If FDK really used any of Igneel's power, Happy should not have been surprised that Natsu was using Igneel's power against Zeref if he already used it on the Alvarez troops. When Natsu was actually using Igneel's power, he did not start off with FDK mode attacks. Only the (second) last attack he used against Zeref was an FDK attack. What does this prove? That the majority of FDK spells were done without Igneel's power, and the majority of spells done with Igneel's power were not FDK spells. Since exhausting Igneel's power, Natsu has shown the ability to continue using FDK mode and spells. This alone should settle once and for all that Natsu can use FDK spells without invoking Igneel's power.

 

[Shoutmon]

I'll share my speculation as to why I raised this in the first place:

In the battle with the OS we see that before Jellal casts Grand Chariot there are several pillars of light (in the exact formation of Grand Chariot) and that they are going up. After this Jellal says the incantation and uses the hand movements to activate Grand Chariot, as he is doing this there is light shinning on Jellal and then the seals appear in the sky. Before Grand Chariot happens we also see Racer say "It's a Three Dimensional Seal Formation!" or "Solid Seal?!". The reason I don't think the pillars of light prior to Grand Chariot are part of it is because none of the OS were being hurt or showed any sign of pain. A big part of why I think Solid Seal is a spell is also to do with how the OS themselves didn't make any attempt to move from their spot, notably Racer, who proved himself quite fast earlier in the fight. Given the below (please read that before continuing here), Racer should have been able to have escaped the area or at least have attempted to escape but didn't. With all of this taken I believe that the "Three Dimensional Seal Formation"/"Solid Seal" is something that Jellal has developed, it would even make sense for Jellal to do so, he knows that his main magic has longer cast times than other magic so designing something like this would be efficient. All of the above being said, I admit that this is speculation but it is reasonable speculation. If you don't believe this then that's fine but I just thought I should raise it as I noticed it. Thanks for reading.

Before you say that Racer's magic is slowing other people's perception I actually believe that Racer has his speed magic from KotSS. This is because earlier, when Cobra and Racer were attacking Jellal, Racer was outpacing Cobra quite significantly, by the time Racer had made several attempts at hitting Jellal, Cobra had only just come over. It's for this reason, and things like Angel's magic being different, their designs being different, Zentopia incident being mentioned etc. why I think that Racer has his speed magic from KotSS.

Sorry man, but I don't see it that way. To me those pillars just look like one of the visual effects of Grand Chariot, sort of to indicate that it's being used. When they noticed the pillars, it looked like they noticed it right as Jellal was about to finish casting it and while Racer could've probably dodged it, he might have still been in shock about being caught in it and probably didn't think straight. I just think we need confirmation that it does exist before using it as a feat for Jellal.