Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[BluePegasus]

My list:

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1. Acnologia
2. Igneel
3. Parent Dragons (Metallicana, etc.)
4. Chronos Dimaria Yesta
5. August
6. Irene Belserion
7. Zeref Dragneel
8. Bradman
9. Jacob Lessio
10. Brandish
11. Mirajane Strauss
12. Kyôka
13. Wahl Icht
14. God Serena
15. Jellal Fernandes
16. Laxus Dreyar
17. Other dragons (Zirconis, etc.)
18. Shaila
19. Third origin Chelia Blendy
20. Hyberion
21. Neinhart
22. Igneel-powered Natsu
23. DF Wendy Marvell
24. Full Power Precht Gaebolg
25. DeS Gray Fullbuster
26. Mard Geer Tartaros
27. Ajeel Lamur
28. Silver Fullbuster
29. Wolfheim
30. DF Gajeel
31. Warrod Sequen
32. Minerva Orlando
33. Future Rogue
34. Jura Neekis
35. Gildarts Clive
36. Kagura Mikazuchi
37. Freed Justine
38. Natsu
39. Azuma
40. Ikatsunagi
41. Heine Lunacy or Juliet Sun
42. Wahl Icht Proxy
43. Makarov Dreyar
44. Marin Hollow
45. Sting Eucliff or Rogue Cheney
46. Chelia Blendy
47. Ur
48. Meredy
49. Base Gray Fullbuster
50. Erza Scarlet
51. Base Gajeel Redfox
52. Bickslow
53. Evergreen
54. Mest Gryder
55. Bluenote Stinger
56. Ikaruga
57. Juvia Lockster
58. Base Wendy Marvell
59. Lyon Vastia
60. Elfman Strauss
61. Cana Alberona
62. Levy Mcgarden
63. Lucy Heartfillia
64. Lisanna Strauss

Lisanna last. Good.

 

[Takuan]

Alright here it is. My full updated list.
I got some differences compared to my previous top 20 but oh well.

Spoiler: Full list

1. Acnologia
2. Zeref Dragneel
3. Igneel
4. Parent Dragons (Metallicana, etc.)
5. Irene Belserion
6. Igneel-powered Natsu
7. August
8. Chronos Dimaria Yesta
9. Brandish
10. Other dragons (Zirconis, etc.)
11. God Serena
12. Gildarts Clive
13. Laxus Dreyar
14. Jellal Fernandes
15. Mirajane Strauss
16. Wahl Icht
17. Bradman
18. Jacob Lessio
19. DeS Gray Fullbuster
20. Ajeel Lamur
21. Hyberion
22. DF Gajeel
23. Neinhart
24. Natsu
25. Base Gray Fullbuster
26. Erza Scarlet
27. DF Wendy Marvell
28. Makarov Dreyar
29. Base Gajeel Redfox
30. Sting Eucliff or Rogue Cheney
31. Mard Geer Tartaros
32. Kyôka
33. Shaila
34. Wolfheim
35. Jura Neekis
36. Warrod Sequen
37. Kagura Mikazuchi
38. Minerva Orlando
39. Marin Hollow
40. Bluenote Stinger
41. Ur
42. Third origin Chelia Blendy
43. Silver Fullbuster
44. Full Power Precht Gaebolg
45. Future Rogue
46. Ikatsunagi
47. Chelia Blendy
48. Lucy Heartfillia
49. Wahl Icht Proxy
50. Freed Justine
51. Lyon Vastia
52. Juvia Lockster
53. Meredy
54. Heine Lunacy or Juliet Sun
55. Base Wendy Marvell
56. Levy Mcgarden
57. Bickslow
58. Elfman Strauss
59. Cana Alberona
60. Evergreen
61. Mest Gryder
62. Azuma
63. Ikaruga
64. Lisanna Strauss

 

[Summer]

I just realized that DF Wendy is super overrated lol .

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For someone that barely give any damage to one of weakest tartaros demon using one of the most well respected DS power up that is DF . She is quite overrated . Not to mention , literally getting one shots by Dimaria .

Don't gets me wrong , I like Wendy but I need to admit that she's not that strong compare to the other Dragon Slayer .

 

[Stormsfury]

I would actually put people with insane hax like Jacob, Dimaria and Brandish ahead of Igneel powered Natsu because they can just kill him in an instant.

 

[Coné]

I would actually put people with insane hax like Jacob, Dimaria and Brandish ahead of Igneel powered Natsu because they can just kill him in an instant.

Neither Jacob, Dimaria or Brandish can even remotely damage Igneel-empowered Natsu. Jacob uses BFR if he isn't outright blitzed. What happens next? Jacob can't even damage him. Dimaria stops time if she isn't outright blitzed. What happens next? Her best feat is damaging DF Wendy, we're talking about Igneel-empowered Natsu. And I don't even know what Brandish is doing there.

 

[The President]

I don't agree with your statement saying that Kagura/Minerva are weaker than Kyoka, Sayla and Torafusa. Remember GMG Kagura/Minerva are close to GMG Erza who beat Kyouka who's above Shaila and Torafusa.

The Erza that Kagura fought was weaker then the Erza that Kyouka fought, she did not activate her Second Origin at that point. By the time she activated her second origin against Minerva, she was already severally injured and she still won. Kagura is close to Tenrou Erza in strength, SO Erza is a good amount stronger then her (Mid-Diff fight). GMG Minerva is IMO slightly weaker then Kagura so same goes for her more or less. Erza stalemated Kyouka, she did not win, both passed out at the same time. Furthermore, Kyouka defeated GMG Minerva. It goes something like:

Kyouka = SO Erza > Tenrou Erza >= Kagura >= Minerva.

I could see Kagura and Minerva losing to Kyoka or Shaila but not to Torafusa.

What are they going to do against Torafusa? Kagura is literally a sitting duck in poison water, she's all about her physical stats but she won't be landing a physical hit on Torafusa in water. Minerva can do a little better but she did not show enough fire power for me to say she can bypass Torafusas hardened skin.

Neither Brandish, Dimaria nor Jacob are defeating Igneel empowered Natsu cause he's equal to Zeref who's stronger then August/Irene who have been outright stated to be far stronger then Brandish, Dimaria and Jacob. I'd go with the fact that their abilities won't affect someone leagues above them, or you can go with the fact that they cannot hurt someone like him idk. You simply cannot claim something that Hiro himself has went out of his way to say is wrong. Fan beliefs <<<<<<<<<<< Hiro.

 

[Takuan]

Neither Jacob, Dimaria or Brandish can even remotely damage Igneel-empowered Natsu. Jacob uses BFR if he isn't outright blitzed. What happens next? Jacob can't even damage him. Dimaria stops time if she isn't outright blitzed. What happens next? Her best feat is damaging DF Wendy, we're talking about Igneel-empowered Natsu. And I don't even know what Brandish is doing there.

I don't know dude. I think i disagree with you, mainly for the Brandish and Dimaria parts.

Jacob is said to be able to kill people inside his dimension once he teleports them via Transport. Is it true though? We'll probably never know. So as far as we know, Jacob only has his CQC to attack Natsu and thus he'd not be able to do much if we consider Natsu's heat from Igneel power-up. His other atatcks (knifes or anything he can throw at Natsu) would just melt.
So i can agree with you for Jacob.

But Dimaria and Brandish? I don't agree.
There's nothing Natsu can do while time is stopped by Age Seal. Dimaria might not be able to land hits on Natsu on CQC (same point as Jacob), she still has Chronos' piercing lazers. And she has all the time she needs and wants to throw them at Natsu.
As you're saying, Dimaria's best feat is damaging DF Wendy. While this is true, you have to remember that time wasn't stopped (or at least it wasn't for Wendy and Sherria) thanks to Ultear. If time was stopped (like it would without Ultear's interference), Wendy would have been pierced by a whole lot of lazers.
Same goes for Natsu. Without an external help to prevent or counter Age Seal, Natsu can't do anything. And his durability wouldn't matter at all.

While it is true that Brandish doesn't have a lot of feats (and has no feats at all combat-wise) you have to consider her magic as we know it. There's nothing one can do once his heart is shrunk to a non factor.

 

[Hermit]

Plus I consider Zirconis the weakest dragon (among the GMG dragons at least).

Not sure, I think I'd give that to Levia and Scissor Runner since technically Zirconis was just there for comedy while the other Dragons were all serious..

LOL Marde Geer couldn't even make quick work of Base Sting and Rogue so in what world would Marde geer make quick work of Kagura or Minerva.

Um, Marde was going to kill Minerva before Sting and Rogue intervened, and that was Neo Minerva

 

[Brandish μ]

Well, if you're going to put hax above all, then it will be above all. So if IgNatsu is going to be beaten by said hax, then you'd need to include people like August, Irene, Laxus, Jellal, God Serena etc. At least that way it's consistent...

Obviously Acno, Zeref and dragons are above. You can give DiMaria/Brandish/Jacob all the opportunity in the world but they'll never achieve the offensive capacity to get the W.

 

[Hermit]

Anyways, here's my list:
1.Acnologia
2.Zeref
3.Igneel
4.Parent Dragons
5.Other Dragons
6.Irene
7.August
8.Jellal
9.Third Origin Sherria
10.Chronos Dimaria Yesta
11.God Serena
12.Hyberion
13.Laxus Dreyar
14.Igneel-powered Natsu
15.DeS Gray Fullbuster
16.Warrod Sequen
17.Wahl Icht
18.Bradman
19.Ajeel Lamur
20.Erza Scarlet
21.Base Gray Fullbuster
22.Jacob Lessio
23.Brandish
24.Shaila
25.DF Gajeel
26.Wolfheim
27.Neinhart
28.Future Rogue
29.Natsu
30.Gildarts Clive
30.Jura Neekis
32.Mirajane Strauss
33.Base Gajeel Redfox
34.Mard Geer Tartaros
35.Full Power Precht Gaebolg
36.Silver Fullbuster
37.Makarov Dreyar
38.Bluenote Stinger
39.Sting Eucliff or Rogue Cheney
40.Ur
41.Kagura Mikazuchi
42.Minerva Orlando
43.DF Wendy Marvell
44.Lyon Vastia
45.Juvia Lockster
46.Kyôka
47.Lucy Heartfillia
48.Heine Lunacy or Juliet Sun
49.Base Wendy Marvell
50.Freed Justine
51.Chelia Blendy
52.Ikatsunagi
53.Azuma
53.Meredy
55.Ikaruga
56.Elfman Strauss
57.Wahl Icht Proxy
58.Cana Alberona
59.Bickslow
60.Evergreen
61.Levy Mcgarden
62.Marin Hollow
63.Mest Gryder
64.Lisanna Strauss

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Neither Jacob, Dimaria or Brandish can even remotely damage Igneel-empowered Natsu.

Because Natsu can counter Transport, Age Seal or Mass Manipulation with Igneel's flames..
Ha
HA
HA
That gave me a chuckle

 

[Char]

The Erza that Kagura fought was weaker then the Erza that Kyouka fought, she did not activate her Second Origin at that point.

I guess it depends on perspective. IMO, the Erza that fought Kagura was not Tenrou Erza, she was already GMG Erza. When she activated SO I understood she gained the ability to reequip Nakagami armor, but I didn't 'feel' there was a powerup going on there (in terms of cqc, speed, durability, etc., ONLY in MP that allowed her to 'summon' that armor). Although you can consider otherwise.

By the time she activated her second origin against Minerva,
she was already severally injured and she still won. Kagura is close to Tenrou Erza in strength

I'd say above. I mean, Kagura had the upper hand against pre SO GMG Erza. Whether you consider that erza > or = Tenrou Erza, Kagura was still wiping the floor with her. She was faster, and more deadly.

GMG Minerva is IMO slightly weaker then Kagura so same goes for her more or less. Erza stalemated Kyouka, she did not win, both passed out at the same time. Furthermore, Kyouka defeated GMG Minerva. It goes something like:

Kyouka = SO Erza > Tenrou Erza >= Kagura >= Minerva.

I agree with Kyoka beating Minerva. In fact, that happened. But I don't agree with GMG Erza (pre-SO) = Tenrou Erza. Although, again, I guess you could think so.

What are they going to do against Torafusa? Kagura is literally a sitting duck in poison water, she's all about her physical stats but she won't be landing a physical hit on Torafusa in water.

I'd give Kagura's gravity magic some credit here. She can probably change her weight to float, or change the gravity direction so that the water goes up and she's released from it. She can cut through Torafusa for sure, especially with his sword unseathed (as it cut through Adamantine armor) so I'd say she only needs one proper slash.

Minerva can do a little better but she did not show enough fire power for me to say she can bypass Torafusas hardened skin.

Minerva's got spatial magic and she can summon these god-like figures and do pretty awesome nukes for a pre-ts character. Is Torafusa's durability below Erza's? if that's the case then she might pull off a win, otherwise I guess she won't be so lucky.

Neither Brandish, Dimaria nor Jacob are defeating Igneel empowered Natsu cause he's equal to Zeref who's stronger then August/Irene who have been outright stated to be far stronger then Brandish, Dimaria and Jacob. I'd go with the fact that their abilities won't affect someone leagues above them, or you can go with the fact that they cannot hurt someone like him idk. You simply cannot claim something that Hiro himself has went out of his way to say is wrong. Fan beliefs <<<<<<<<<<< Hiro.

Some perspectives can be taken on that topic. NLF or no NLF. NLF means you're going to claim Brandish, Dimaria or Jacob are going to kill Igneel empowered Natsu with their haxes, some faster than others. Dimaria, for example, is gonna kill him before he even notices. Brandish probably as well, by shrinking a vital organ to the point it causes his death. Jacob, by sending him to an alternate dimension that he masters.

No NLF means such tricks are not gonna work on Igneel-powered Natsu because he's just superior and their abilities only work under certain circumstances.

Also, Igneel-powered Natsu cannot be equal to Zeref because he simply cannot kill him. He's gonna use his best attacks, he's gona "kill him" a couple of times, then he's gonna regenerate and when Natsu runs out of magic, Zeref's gonna beat him.

@Emperor Spriggan thx for the list!

 

[Axiomus]

The text suggest that Zeref and Natsu would have indeed died had Natsu landed that final hit. As far as I'm concerned, Igneel-powered Natsu is stronger than Zeref when it comes to actual combat.

Spoiler

Anyways, I did the power-ranking sorter. I'm fairly satisfied with the top 25s (which I highlighted in bold), but once we go past that it starts giving me some weird rankings like SIlver below Freed. I think I'll have to go over the ranks manually to fix up the list a bit.

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1. Acnologia
2. Igneel
3. Igneel-powered Natsu
3. Parent Dragons (Metallicana, etc.)
5. Zeref Dragneel
6. August
6. Irene Belserion
7. Other dragons (Zirconis, etc.)
8. Chronos Dimaria Yesta
9. God Serena
9. Jellal Fernandes
9. Laxus Dreyar
9. Natsu
14. Wahl Icht
15. DF Gajeel
16. Ajeel Lamur
16. Bradman
16. Third origin Chelia Blendy
19. Brandish
20. Jacob Lessio
21. Neinhart
22. Base Gajeel Redfox
22. Erza Scarlet
22. DeS Gray Fullbuster
22. Ikatsunagi
26. Hyberion
27. Wolfheim
28. Warrod Sequen
29. Gildarts Clive
30. Base Gray Fullbuster
30. Jura Neekis
32. Mirajane Strauss
33. Mard Geer Tartaros
34. Full Power Precht Gaebolg
35. Future Rogue
36. Makarov Dreyar
37. Bluenote Stinger
38. Kagura Mikazuchi
38. Azuma
40. Shaila
41. Sting Eucliff or Rogue Cheney
42. DF Wendy Marvell
43. Ur
44. Minerva Orlando
45. Lyon Vastia
46. Freed Justine
47. Wahl Icht Proxy
48. Kyôka
49. Silver Fullbuster
50. Lucy Heartfillia
51. Heine Lunacy or Juliet Sun
51. Bickslow
51. Chelia Blendy
54. Juvia Lockster
54. Base Wendy Marvell
56. Elfman Strauss
57. Meredy
58. Ikaruga
59. Cana Alberona
59. Evergreen
61. Marin Hollow
62. Mest Gryder
63. Lisanna Strauss
64. Levy Mcgarden

 

[Hermit]

Igneel-powered Natsu is stronger than Zeref when it comes to actual combat.

Why? Zeref was LITERALLY staking everything on Natsu killing him in that fight, it was obvious he would offer minimal to no resistance, showed as when he just used ONE spell (the Death Orb), then proceeded to get thrown around as Natsu tried to kill him..
He didn't even try to STOP TIME and we know he can do that from Tartarus..
I'm sorry but that fight was so horribly one sided it shouldn't even be used as a reasonable gauge of power
If Igneel powered Natsu was that powerful then Invel wouldn't have just had a raised brow..

Spoiler: Everyone's reaction to Igneel powered Natsu

Compare this to August LITERALLY sweating when Acnologia one shotted God Serena. Now that is what is called an impressive display of power.

Spoiler: Everyone's reaction to Acnologia

And no, this isn't about Acnologia being the strongest in that world, this is power that was able to impress the Spriggan 12..
Igneel powered Natsu should be nowhere near the top, at the very most, I would put him mid Spriggan level..
How exactly does he beat August and Eileen?

 

[Crimson Ice]

Why? Zeref was LITERALLY staking everything on Natsu killing him in that fight, it was obvious he would offer minimal to no resistance, showed as when he just used ONE spell (the Death Orb), then proceeded to get thrown around as Natsu tried to kill him..
He didn't even try to STOP TIME and we know he can do that from Tartarus..
I'm sorry but that fight was so horribly one sided it shouldn't even be used as a reasonable gauge of power
If Igneel powered Natsu was that powerful then Invel wouldn't have just had a raised brow..

Spoiler: Everyone's reaction to Igneel powered Natsu

Compare this to August LITERALLY sweating when Acnologia one shotted God Serena. Now that is what is called an impressive display of power.

Spoiler: Everyone's reaction to Acnologia

And no, this isn't about Acnologia being the strongest in that world, this is power that was able to impress the Spriggan 12..
Igneel powered Natsu should be nowhere near the top, at the very most, I would put him mid Spriggan level..
How exactly does he beat August and Eileen?

Zeref himself says he wasn't going to let Natsu just kill him so saying he was betting on him is incorrect, as for the expression Invel in that scan if fucking shocked. Natsu was literally tossing Zeref around the whole fight even before he entered BDFKM. Everyone was shocked the Invel took Serena out, heck you say the power to impress a Spriggan but Hyberion impressed August does this mean he's stronger than Natsu? Saying Natsu with the Igneel tat is only mid Spirggan tier is a joke, Natsu in that state beats anyone not named Igneel and Ancologia.

 

[Hermit]

Saying Natsu with the Igneel tat is only mid Spirggan tier is a joke, Natsu in that state beats anyone not named Igneel and Ancologia.

Ignoring hax of other opponents? I'm interested to see how he would beat Bradman and Keyes
The Invel thing was just semantics but you get the point i was trying to drive home.

Zeref himself says he wasn't going to let Natsu just kill him so saying he was betting on him is incorrect,

He's affected by the Curse of Contradictions.Did you forget he has the curse of contradiction?If he doesn't fight back and lets himself die he'll never die. Him fighting back is fulfilling the end of what is affecting him. That's why I said Zeref was going to offer minimal to zero resistance in that fight..

 

[Axiomus]

Why? Zeref was LITERALLY staking everything on Natsu killing him in that fight, it was obvious he would offer minimal to no resistance, showed as when he just used ONE spell (the Death Orb), then proceeded to get thrown around as Natsu tried to kill him..
He didn't even try to STOP TIME and we know he can do that from Tartarus..
I'm sorry but that fight was so horribly one sided it shouldn't even be used as a reasonable gauge of power
If Igneel powered Natsu was that powerful then Invel wouldn't have just had a raised brow..

Spoiler: Everyone's reaction to Igneel powered Natsu

Compare this to August LITERALLY sweating when Acnologia one shotted God Serena. Now that is what is called an impressive display of power.

Spoiler: Everyone's reaction to Acnologia

And no, this isn't about Acnologia being the strongest in that world, this is power that was able to impress the Spriggan 12..
Igneel powered Natsu should be nowhere near the top, at the very most, I would put him mid Spriggan level..
How exactly does he beat August and Eileen?

Zeref was immortal. Even if Zeref didn't offer much of a resistance towards Natsu, the fact that Natsu is capable of killing him is still highly impressive. Invel was sweating from Natsu when he reacted to Natsu's attack, and Zeref himself said that he was truly impressed by Natsu's power. Zeref is surrounded by the Spriggan 12, and he doesn't consider them as being able to kill him. That alone should tell us Igneel-powered Natsu is ahead of the Spriggan. In fact, FDK Natsu would arguably qualify as a mid-tier Spriggan, considering demolition fist was capable of knocking out Jacob.

Spoiler: Reaction to Natsu's attack by Invel and Zeref

And I'm not saying Natsu is as strong as Acnologia. Igneel wasn't even as strong as Acnologia, and Natsu only received the left over-power from Igneel. That being said, Igneel's was still on Acnologia's level. Even if he only left 1/3 of his magical power behind to Natsu, that would still put him well ahead of any Spriggan. A single hand swipe from Acnologia can kill God Serena. A power-house attack with 1/3rd of Igneel's power should be at least as powerful as a casual hand swipe from human Acnologia.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Ignoring hax of other opponents? I'm interested to see how he would beat Bradman and Keyes
The Invel thing was just semantics but you get the point i was trying to drive home.

He's affected by the Curse of Contradictions.Did you forget he has the curse of contradiction?If he doesn't fight back and lets himself die he'll never die. Him fighting back is fulfilling the end of what is affecting him. That's why I said Zeref was going to offer minimal to zero resistance in that fight..

Natsu's magic allows him to burn away magic, that includes magic barrier particles. Curse of what? Zeref never dies because nobody is capable of killing him, it was implied heavily throughout that fight that Natsu was capable of killing Zeref. Zeref him damn self says he wasn't going to let Natsu kill him, I don't know how clearer if gets.

 

[Hermit]

Zeref was immortal. Even if Zeref didn't offer much of a resistance towards Natsu, the fact that Natsu is capable of killing him is still highly impressive.

The only reason Natsu is capable of killing Zeref is because of Igneel's flames. It has nothing to do with Natsu's capabilities as a wizard. Zeref himself stated that was left over power from the dead, in that respect even Gray would be able to pull off the same feat against Zeref since he got his abilities from Silver who is deceased.

Spoiler: Igneel's dying will

Igneel's flames themselves don't drastically increase Natsu's level as a mage, he even has better feats in his FDKM mode, where he melted an entire stadium, while with Igneel's flames the only thing that happened was the earth was set ablaze. The funny thing is that moments later that fire died down so proving my point even more. If Igneel's flames were that OP then Invel and the rest of the black carpet should have felt the heat, the same way the entire guild felt the heat from Igneel's roar on Acnologia even if they were several miles away in the sky.

A power-house attack with 1/3rd of Igneel's power should be at least as powerful as a casual hand swipe from human Acnologia.

Again no, considering the fact Zeref's clothes weren't ruined by that punch while Lessio's suit was ruined by FDKM punch shows that FDKM> Igneel powered Natsu in terms of feats (I'm joking about the clothes btw lol)

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Curse of what? Zeref never dies because nobody is capable of killing him, it was implied heavily throughout that fight that Natsu was capable of killing Zeref.

His Curse of Contradictions, the thing from Anksherum..
The Curse literally affects his own thoughts, where one minute he's thinking of killing Natsu with his own and the next he wants to be killed by Natsu's hands..

Spoiler: The Curse of Contradictions

The same would apply to battle:
-Zeref just sits there and expects to die=He won't die
-Zeref fights back a little=He'll die
See? I think most people here are ignoring a lot of factors in this fight, Zeref's Curse involved.
He needs to be DEFEATED and killed, because if he stands still and lets someone else kill him, the curse will make it so that he won't die but if he is fighting back and trying to stay alive and not get killed, then the curse won't do that.

Zeref him damn self says he wasn't going to let Natsu kill him, I don't know how clearer if gets.

And he says that he will let Natsu kill him in the next chapter, standing there as Natsu charged at him, proving my point even more:

Spoiler: Natsu's final attack

 

[Axiomus]

The only reason Natsu is capable of killing Zeref is because of Igneel's flames. It has nothing to do with Natsu's capabilities as a wizard. Zeref himself stated that was left over power from the dead, in that respect even Gray would be able to pull off the same feat against Zeref since he got his abilities from Silver who is deceased.

Spoiler: Igneel's dying will

Igneel's flames themselves don't drastically increase Natsu's level as a mage, he even has better feats in his FDKM mode, where he melted an entire stadium, while with Igneel's flames the only thing that happened was the earth was set ablaze. The funny thing is that moments later that fire died down so proving my point even more. If Igneel's flames were that OP then Invel and the rest of the black carpet should have felt the heat, the same way the entire guild felt the heat from Igneel's roar on Acnologia even if they were several miles away in the sky.

Again no, considering the fact Zeref's clothes weren't ruined by that punch while Lessio's suit was ruined by FDKM punch shows that FDKM> Igneel powered Natsu in terms of feats (I'm joking about the clothes btw lol)

I never said that it was because of Natsu's own power that he could kill Zeref. That being said, it's tiring having to type out Igneel-powered Natsu all the time. The point is that Igneel-powered Natsu was at such a level where his power truly impressed Zeref and was capable of killing him. The reason why Natsu could kill Zeref was because Igneel's was so massively powerful. The part of about the power of the dead is often brought up to try to undermine this, but we know for a fact that merely having the power of the dead doesn't allow you to kill Zeref. Zeref has created demons like Keith that can use the power of the dead with necromancy, and Keith doesn't have the power to kill Zeref. Also Zeref was already impressed by Natsu's magical power when Natsu first took off the bandages. This was way before he even revealed that it came from Igneel.

Spoiler

Natsu didn't know about this supposed "power of the dead" qualifier either, yet he was still convinced that Igneel's power would let him take out Zeref. If all it took was the power of a dead person to kill Zeref, then Natsu could just eat the flames off some random dead fodder, and try again. Now ask yourself if you proposed that plan to Natsu and Zeref right now, would either of them seriously believe that it would work? No. I highly doubt that anyone without Igneel's level of magical power would be able to do what Natsu did.

Also, yes Igneel's magical power does change Natsu's level as a mage. Natsu's feats using Igneel's magical power are stronger. Natsu can use FDK mode using Igneel's magical power. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Natsu's attacks with his own power are stronger/equal compared to the attacks he's using with Igneel's power? Zeref already witnessed Natsu using his with his own power to melt a path along the canyon and take out 900 of his soldiers. This is already more impressive than the GMG feat. Yet it was only when Natsu took off his bandages and revealed Igneel's magical power that Zeref was impressed. Already this tells us that Natsu w/Igneel's power is stronger than Natsu without.

 

[Medkaradaraba]

FT Guild

top 10, using hype, portrayal and scaling and corresponding relevance that gets a character to acclaim impressive future feats.

1)Gildartz ( I feel Mashima is going to troll everybody and get this guy to solo August, and once again be on the top of the food chain. and then Mashima will make only Natsu to surpass him. He can potentially be 6th on the list as well.)
2)Natsu (Dragon Force duh)
3)Gray ( All out DeF/Full enhanced devil force/Trick up his sleeves, Feats aquired against END)
4)Gajeel (All out DF on his own will/no absorption, main front runner to battle Acnologia along with Natsu and Wendy)
5)Laxus
6)Erza/Mirajane(Rivals, portrayed equally, Mira's current feats/Base Natsu
7)Dragon Force Wendy/Makarov (until he proves he has game left)
8)Freed/Base Gray/Base Gajeel
9)Elfman (training)
10)Juvia/Lucy/Base Wendy