Mest's magic isn't even similar to Neinhart's magic. That's like saying Jet can run faster than Makarov, and therefore Ajeel can definitely knock out Irene. We've seen mages who manipulate memories effect people stronger than themselves. This was the case when future Rogue manipulated the 7 dragons or when Lucy was charmed by Bora. We've never seen a molding mage create something with more magical power than they themselves had.
Neinhart's magic is life-make, a molding magic. Neinhart is creating a physical body from his magical power when he brings out a Historia. He should be limited in what he can create by his magical power, the same way Gray or Rufus is limited by their magical power in what they can create. Even Rustyrose is limited by this, and can't simply imagine himself a monster that can kill Acnologia. The fact that there were people in the harbor that knew of the dragons and yet not a single dragon came out is a good indicator that Neinhart probably can't bring out dragons.
Yea Mest altered Brandish's memories but it only lasted like ten seconds. The same would happen with Neinhart; even assuming he could create dragons at all, they would last like a minute before disappearing.
What does any of that have to do with fodder ignoring her Macro? It wasn't just the bots. The proof is posted in front of you. Whal saying oh she uses a curse has nothing to do with him negating it.
Yes the rest were bots. After the sandstorm hit their clothes were shed and they were Wahl bots. Also Wahl obviously assessed the weakness as he saw through her Curse and like I said the only ones that were still up were the ones by him. He is the one that negated.
I'll ask this again bcs you dodge this before. Do you think really think those fodder are some next level sh!t? Bcs Erza and Minerva were fodderized by that Curse.
Yes the rest were bots. After the sandstorm hit their clothes were shed and they were Wahl bots. Also Wahl obviously assessed the weakness as he saw through her Curse and like I said the only ones that were still up were the ones by him. He is the one that negated.
I'll ask this again bcs you dodge this before. Do you think really think those fodder are some next level sh!t? Bcs Erza and Minerva were fodderized by that Curse.
Where was it ever posted that those bots and those warriors were the same people? Nowhere that is just your speculation just like you speculated it was whal who negated Mirajane's Macro.
Also why are you giving me a panel of something Sayla did when I clearly sad that we can't scale Mirajane to the demons. That is what the whole argument is about.
What counter argument do you want?
hypes have been proven wrong, especially if the hype is for fairy tail enemies.
And Mira made that statement before jura even showed anything
I mean she said it before jura even fought jellal.
Whatever punches he threw at Jura were relatively below his lightening dragon roar against natsu and gajeel.
Beside, his roar wasn't that strong. Natsu mentioned that he was paralyzed, probably from the effect of lightening. Rather than the brute strength
And both literally got up in less than minute. Natsu was running towards him before he even activated fairy law.
Jura was surprised by the power of it. Mavis acted like it was biggest thing that happened that day.
Basically it had hype behind it only. Kinda like Jura fugiti attack.
Lily and gajeel had similar mindset. they seems on par.
No its not sign of power. If erza learned it, can you prove fairy law from her would be different
Cana fairy glitter worked just like laxus fairy law. Amateur casters both of them.
No use of ! ?
He didn't see him coming
How is his guard up.
How did you prove me wrong again?
By saying laxus durability is comparable to markarov. With this statement coming directly out of your ass.
So no.
Laxus has higher endurance than erza !!
What are you smoking? Whatever it is, you should share.
Yeah I tend to believe in feat over hype. Sooo
Yeah I kinda mentioned it in my post
Asking you how weak was aria then. Since he was beating crap out of natsu while blind.
But you kinda ignored
I am not hypocrite, but you are. You ignore many other statements for literally one statement.
Gray being natsu equal portrayal is like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laxus portrayal of being top tier
Hell erza being far stronger than natsu portrayal is like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 >>>>>> laxus being stronger than erza portrayal
But if you don't believe it, that's why I actually brought so many things to the table.
Unlike you who tried to compare wrecked erza to full fresh laxus
And with one hype
Yet José removed everyone else from battle. Erza lasted throughout.
OS arc happened right after fighting festival arc. So yeah, that is the best portrayal of erza >>> natsu
Unfortunately laxes nor Jura has such portrayal to compare them to erza.
Of course you don't need feats anyway sooo
Unfortunately for you erza performed better against ajeel, as compared to natsu against aria. And aria wasn't even going all out.
Injured team might be above laxus but I don't make assumption like you do without clearly stating it. But I would ask you again stop producing things out of your ass and acting as if they are facts.
So blinded aria who was beating crap out of natsu who is weaker than full powered aria and apparently full powered aria is still weaker than natsu.
Wow that some weakness for air natsu has
I bet you think gmg Wendy can beat up GMG natsu too. What am I saying, since that doesn't prove any point for you. You don't assume anything there
Actually zero hype for erza is quite similar to Mira plus erza hype for jura
Jura = Mira + erza (hype)
Mira knows nothing of jury other than his ws title thing, she knows little bit about erza and every thing ahout herself
Jura loses to laxus
You go like laxus = Mira plus erza
Erza = zero (hype)
Jellal knows nothing about zero other than he being OS master, he know somewhat about how impressive erza is
Zero loses df natsu
Conclusion you should come to erza = df natsu
But instead you come to erza <<df natsu
You have yet to show how Jura is Mira + erza
And you keep on assuming things out of nowhere
Laxus endurance and durability being one now. And how weak aria was
Please give actual proof. If you already have please just copy them again and make it like you aren't assuming anything.
Yeah this huge difference was shown when laxus got in a stalemated with erza. I mean the author could show the gap there then we wont have to assume shit.
Apparently he decided that only way we can say laxus is that strong, is starting with an assumption that laxus is that strong.
Looks if this doubtful hype is that important to you. I mean you fight so much for. Assuming so many things without reason
1) laxus durability
2) laxus endurance
3) how weak aria is compared to natsu
4) erza is weaker than wrecked attack team
5) selective hype believing.
And some more
If this hype is so important to your life than ok ok
I will for you believe that GMG jury was >> Mira plus erza
Hell lets add aconolgia + zeref there too since he is the most strongest human alive.
Ok. I hope you are happy
And you can sleep peacefully now
What counter argument do I want? An actual one, name me multiple times where somebody has stated something about someone being weaker or stronger and it's been wrong? And don't include statmens based on pure ignroace like Sting saying he can beat Acno nor base them on arrogant characters like Ajeel trying to call Serena weak.
Mira not seeing him fight is irrelevant you do know people can tell strength through magic power alone right? No the punches thrown at Jura are not below his roar oon Natsu and Gajeel, Laxus during the GMG is wayy above him at the FF arc, his regular punches are way above that.
So you just proved my point they were incapacitated, oh and Natsu wasn't running before Fairy Law he got up after it.
Only hype? And why is that hype no valid, portrayal and hype put Jura at the top of the GMG food chain with Laxus and Jellal.
No Lilly was serious from the get go, as soon as Gajeel was serious Lilly's sword got broken.
It would different Bluenote says the on Tenoru, while Laxus' Fair Law wasn't like Cana's Fairy Glitter, it was said Laxus' Fairy Law was perfect unlike Cana's Fairy Glitter so try again.
He saw him coming he was staring right at him and was on guard, nothing implied he was caught off guard. Bring some actual evidence instead of just saying no.
Laxus does have durability comparable to Titan Makarov and more endurance than Erza, once again you prove nothing and just saying NO.
Statements in the right context are above feats. As for Aria how strong he was is irrelevant, he was beating Natsu purely on bad matchup, he's weaker than Gajeel and that's all you need to know.
Please show me Natsu and Gray's portrayal of being equal early on? Let me guess you're going to use the gag fights are evidence, they were rivals but it was apparent BoS Natsu was stronger. And no it isn't above Laportrayalrayal his portrayal along with Gildarts as the top dogs of FT has been crystal clear.
I compared a fresh Laxus to ALL OF TEAM NATSU. Heck, the fact that Erza got soo beat up against Azuma only proves my point since Auzma isn't even near Hades.
Erza has no portrayal of being above Natsu early on, heck Erza says he's near him in Phantom which is the start of the series.
And? The only other people when fighting Jose were Elfman, Mira who couldn't even use take over and Gray. This literally proves nothing.
Jura has plenty portrayal above Erza and so does Laxus.
Why is that unfortunate? ERZA HAD THE ADVANTAGE AGAINST AJEEL WHILE ARIA HAD THE ADVANTAGE AGAINST NATSU
The Injured team isn't above Laxus.........LAXUS LITERALLY OUTPERFORMS THEM AGAINST HADES. THEY ALL LITERALLY GOT STOMPED BY HADES WHILE LAXUS PUTS UP A FIGHT.
NATSU LOST TO ARIA BECAUSE OF A DISTADVATANGE, ARIA WON PURELY BECAUSE OF THAT AND YES NATSU IS WEAK AGAINST WIND THIS IS STATED AGAINST EIGOR.
Wendy and Natsu is irrelevant, the gap in strength it too big for the matchup advantage to even matter.
Mira felt his MP, that ALONE was enough for to say her and Erza couldn't beat him. Yes Laxus is above Mira and Erza:
GMG Laxus>GMG Jura>GMG Mira+GMG Pre SO Erza.
Erza isn't equal to Zero, SHOW ME WHERE JELLAL SAYS THIS.....PLEASE TELL ME.
Mira flat out stated her and Erza might not beat Jura, that's all the evidence I need.
Please quote me where I said Aria was weak? I said he's weaker than Natsu which he is because Jose flat out says he's below Gajeel who lost to Natsu.
1.) Laxus is above Erza around all the board which includes durability, while Laxus literally shrugged off a combo attack from Natsu and Gajeel with little to no injuries.
2.) Endurance is rather relative to durability in the case.
3.) This POINT IS NOT RELEVANT AT ALL BUT SINCE YOU WANT TO KNOW. Aria is weaker than Gajeel who lost to a full power Natsu.
4.) She is, nothing implies that a fresh Erza could beat. Erza+Natsu+Lucy+Wendy+Gray.
Trying to throw in Acno doesn't make your argument any more valid.
The same would apply to battle:
-Zeref just sits there and expects to die=He won't die
-Zeref fights back a little=He'll die
See? I think most people here are ignoring a lot of factors in this fight, Zeref's Curse involved.
He needs to be DEFEATED and killed, because if he stands still and lets someone else kill him, the curse will make it so that he won't die but if he is fighting back and trying to stay alive and not get killed, then the curse won't do that.
And he says that he will let Natsu kill him in the next chapter, standing there as Natsu charged at him, proving my point even more:
That little section of text doesn't even imply that at all. Like seriously? Zeref has resolved himself into taking FH. Zeref flat out implies that Igneel's flames regardless of what was going to happen simply because the source of magic came from someone dead.
Letting Natsu kill him wasn't what happened, he literally had nowhere to run and couldn't anything, accepting defeat RIGHT as you're about to lose isn't the same as giving up.
Where was it ever posted that those bots and those warriors were the same people? Nowhere that is just your speculation just like you speculated it was whal who negated Mirajane's Macro.
Also why are you giving me a panel of something Sayla did when I clearly sad that we can't scale Mirajane to the demons. That is what the whole argument is about.
After Ajeel's sandstorm hit it showed their true bodies which were robots.
Mirajane >>>>>>> Seilah so no Seilah's Macro isn't stronger then Mira's if anything it's the other way around. She already learned how to use Seilah's Curse when she first took it over and now she had a year to hone not only that but every other Tartarus Curse so again where were you ever getting Seilah's Curse was stronger than Mira's? Especially when Mira's already been shown to Surpass Etherious Demons (bar E.N.D. ofc). Those fodder aren't the ones that negated it was Wahl like I said.
Actually those were the weakness bots that Wahl specifically created for the FT crew, though I still agree with you overarching point. Mira had no problem macroing Elfman, if it was a single fodder she wouldn't have any trouble dealing with them. Her Macro should be just as potent as Sayla's. The reason those fodder remained standing was likely because Macro has a limit of efficiency not only when it comes to overly powerful characters, but also when it comes to numbers. She Macro'd many fodder at once so it likely wasnt as efficient on the ones at the back. Nothing to do with actual fodder power here.
What counter argument do I want? An actual one, name me multiple times where somebody has stated something about someone being weaker or stronger and it's been wrong? And don't include statmens based on pure ignroace like Sting saying he can beat Acno nor base them on arrogant characters like Ajeel trying to call Serena weak.
Mira not seeing him fight is irrelevant you do know people can tell strength through magic power alone right? No the punches thrown at Jura are not below his roar oon Natsu and Gajeel, Laxus during the GMG is wayy above him at the FF arc, his regular punches are way above that.
So you just proved my point they were incapacitated, oh and Natsu wasn't running before Fairy Law he got up after it.
Only hype? And why is that hype no valid, portrayal and hype put Jura at the top of the GMG food chain with Laxus and Jellal.
No Lilly was serious from the get go, as soon as Gajeel was serious Lilly's sword got broken.
It would different Bluenote says the on Tenoru, while Laxus' Fair Law wasn't like Cana's Fairy Glitter, it was said Laxus' Fairy Law was perfect unlike Cana's Fairy Glitter so try again.
He saw him coming he was staring right at him and was on guard, nothing implied he was caught off guard. Bring some actual evidence instead of just saying no.
Laxus does have durability comparable to Titan Makarov and more endurance than Erza, once again you prove nothing and just saying NO.
Statements in the right context are above feats. As for Aria how strong he was is irrelevant, he was beating Natsu purely on bad matchup, he's weaker than Gajeel and that's all you need to know.
Please show me Natsu and Gray's portrayal of being equal early on? Let me guess you're going to use the gag fights are evidence, they were rivals but it was apparent BoS Natsu was stronger. And no it isn't above Laportrayalrayal his portrayal along with Gildarts as the top dogs of FT has been crystal clear.
I compared a fresh Laxus to ALL OF TEAM NATSU. Heck, the fact that Erza got soo beat up against Azuma only proves my point since Auzma isn't even near Hades.
Erza has no portrayal of being above Natsu early on, heck Erza says he's near him in Phantom which is the start of the series.
And? The only other people when fighting Jose were Elfman, Mira who couldn't even use take over and Gray. This literally proves nothing.
Jura has plenty portrayal above Erza and so does Laxus.
Why is that unfortunate? ERZA HAD THE ADVANTAGE AGAINST AJEEL WHILE ARIA HAD THE ADVANTAGE AGAINST NATSU
The Injured team isn't above Laxus.........LAXUS LITERALLY OUTPERFORMS THEM AGAINST HADES. THEY ALL LITERALLY GOT STOMPED BY HADES WHILE LAXUS PUTS UP A FIGHT.
NATSU LOST TO ARIA BECAUSE OF A DISTADVATANGE, ARIA WON PURELY BECAUSE OF THAT AND YES NATSU IS WEAK AGAINST WIND THIS IS STATED AGAINST EIGOR.
Wendy and Natsu is irrelevant, the gap in strength it too big for the matchup advantage to even matter.
Mira felt his MP, that ALONE was enough for to say her and Erza couldn't beat him. Yes Laxus is above Mira and Erza:
GMG Laxus>GMG Jura>GMG Mira+GMG Pre SO Erza.
Erza isn't equal to Zero, SHOW ME WHERE JELLAL SAYS THIS.....PLEASE TELL ME.
Mira flat out stated her and Erza might not beat Jura, that's all the evidence I need.
Please quote me where I said Aria was weak? I said he's weaker than Natsu which he is because Jose flat out says he's below Gajeel who lost to Natsu.
1.) Laxus is above Erza around all the board which includes durability, while Laxus literally shrugged off a combo attack from Natsu and Gajeel with little to no injuries.
2.) Endurance is rather relative to durability in the case.
3.) This POINT IS NOT RELEVANT AT ALL BUT SINCE YOU WANT TO KNOW. Aria is weaker than Gajeel who lost to a full power Natsu.
4.) She is, nothing implies that a fresh Erza could beat. Erza+Natsu+Lucy+Wendy+Gray.
Trying to throw in Acno doesn't make your argument any more valid.
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That little section of text doesn't even imply that at all. Like seriously? Zeref has resolved himself into taking FH. Zeref flat out implies that Igneel's flames regardless of what was going to happen simply because the source of magic came from someone dead.
Letting Natsu kill him wasn't what happened, he literally had nowhere to run and couldn't anything, accepting defeat RIGHT as you're about to lose isn't the same as giving up.
ok thanks god, you told me how to prove something to you.
Well I can give you examples where there were either claims or people acted as if the other was unbeatable force or something
1) chapter 10. Mira claims erza + natsu + gray might well be the strongest team in fairy tail. laxus and his body guards existed at this time.
2) chapter 58. Mira said if aria removes his blinds, they may lose all hopes of winning the war.
3) chapter 58 happy says aria is too strong. Obviously he couldn't detect mp as good as you can
4) chapter 79 jellal wondered who will win erza or him.
5) chapter 108 markarov thought erza could defeat laxus. Obviously he couldn't know their mps
6) chapter 273 jellal knowing his Mp and all decided to use mystogan magic to try and defeat jura. Even though laxus already called him unlucky for having to face jura.
And my favorites and with these you will have no issue with context
7) chapter 305 Mavis not only knew jura mp but alot more about his fighting skills too. She couldn't decide a way to handle him.
8) chapter 446 markarov repeatedly said you can't defeat ajeel. that 6 fairies vs 1 ajeel. markarov could see everyone mp but still said that.
Hopefully you will not defend that hype anymore like those religious people defend their beliefs. It literally impossible to change their mind about that. Hopefully you will not act like that.
I meant relatively. Like GMG laxus roar will be above those GMG laxus punches.
Hype is just one thing. Normally hypes for enemies are always omg. He is too strong. And then they fail. Hype never should be used alone.
From mangapanda chapter 186 page 10 gajeel looked injured while Lilly is completely uninjured and has a calm expression on his face.
After gajeel breaks his sword and roar at him.
Their expressions are similar look at page 13 and 14. He also is having difficulties in detecting the huge mp gap between them apparently.
Laxus said his fairy law was perfect.
Either how its not a good way to detect powers unless you want to say GMG cana is above GMG jura in power
My point was since it was not a fight just a challenge. Ogra was focusing on his cannon. He wasn't expecting jura would trick him, which he did. Thus he was unaware. Jura blitz might even be fast enough that he might not have seen it at all
How do you see it? Was ogra bracing himself, what evidence do we have for either?
When you make a claim or assumption, you have to prove it not me.
So you have to prove how pre ts laxus durability is comparable to titan Markov
You have to prove how wrecked fairy tail team is > erza
Laxus endurance is nowhere near erza as shown in tartaros and tenrou when erza took two tera clemare a nuke which had portion of mp of nearly all powerful members of fair tail including gildarts. She still kept on fighting. She also known to be tortured a lot
So let me get this straight. Ajeel can sleep an 90% of erza magic wont work on him. This is obviously irrelevant
Erza has one medium level attack which can counter ajeel magic, obviously medium level only if they are equal. And nothing for high level same spell at all. And erza is at advantage, lol
How weak is aria matters because what we saw is
Aria > blinded aria > natsu
Wrecked erza one shoted aria with medium level attack. so if we replace aria with gajeel.would he get one shoted too?
What if erza wasn't wrecked ?
What if erza use purgatory armor, could she still one shot gajeel ?
When was it mentioned that aria was a bad matchup for natsu. How was he a bad matchup for natsu anyway?
If blowing away flame by air is the reason. Wouldn't gajeel be also a bad matchup for natsu. I mean iron would go right through the flames without even feeling it.
Gray and natsu are rivals, yes.
They sometimes fought the same enemy with similar results.
Other people, who mind you can detect their mps treated them same.
Are you saying natsu can beat gray easily? Then why hasn't he done so?
aria decided to go all out against erza, the moment she came. Natsu got no special notice
Laxus mentioned erza when talking to mystogan, not natsu. Laxus literally overlooked natsu when mystogsn identity was revealed, instead decided to focus on erza
Unlike incase of laxus and erza
There are actual cases of people saying things like natsu are u crazy for challenging erza
Erza was considered ws tier in beginning of the series not natsu
Or erza performing better against the same opponent
How is natsu portrayed to be erza level?
natsu and gajeel roar will do sh!t to adamantine armor as shown by phantom guild when they decided to wait for Jupiter cannon for 15 minutes instead just makeing gajeel and elemental four to combine their attacks instead
When was laxus considered top dog along with gildarts?
If you dnt believe that gray and natsu are somewhat around each other than that feat won't mean much to you
I was being sarcastic since you literally produce wrecked fairy tail team > erza out of your ass
Tenrou Azuma is not near hades, yes but so isn't laxus sooo
Jellal said in nirvana arc that we can assume only person who can possibly defeat him is erza kinda like how mira said she wasn't sure whether she with erza help could defeat jura.
Are these your proof ? "
1.) Laxus is above Erza around all the board which includes durability, while Laxus literally shrugged off a combo attack from Natsu and Gajeel with little to no injuries.
2.) Endurance is rather relative to durability in the case.
3.) This POINT IS NOT RELEVANT AT ALL BUT SINCE YOU WANT TO KNOW. Aria is weaker than Gajeel who lost to a full power Natsu.
4.) She is, nothing implies that a fresh Erza could beat. Erza+Natsu+Lucy+Wendy+Gray.
"
1) Laxus is not above in all board. She is more versatile, she has shown better reaction speed than laxus pre ts, look up racer.
She actually one shoted her opponents, she has better defense better endurance maybe even better stamina.
And you actually have to provide evidence, not just make claims
2) ok, not sure what you want with this
3) er, I think I answered this above but if not then I forgot the context
4) wtf. I think that is the best reply for this point. I told you before, you cant use logic like laxus is stronger than erza so erza is below wrecked fairy tail team, so that means laxus is stronger than erza
Gildarts and God Serna are easily the top characters in the story. And I don't even like any of them, but based on feats it's clear.
And GMG dragons are on spriggan level? Last time I checked Dragons are immune to magic meaning they should be the tiers with Igneel.
This list so dumb in my opinion. Dimaria is the literal meaning of hax. She can kill any magic apart of Zeref and Acnologia. August is the king of magic but until he shows time counter abilities Dimiaria still wins. And she even said that no one can enter her 'world' being the time stop thing.
God Serna would eat Natsus flames so that's not even a contest whether you can debate anything. Please stop comparing Natsus Igneel power up to the adoptive parents/Dragons, that's just ridiculous.
And dude Pretch/Hades above Gildarts? Please, Gildarts has flash like speed feats and he couldn't even counter Laxus speed.
Gildarts and God Serna are easily the top characters in the story. And I don't even like any of them, but based on feats it's clear.
And GMG dragons are on spriggan level? Last time I checked Dragons are immune to magic meaning they should be the tiers with Igneel.
This list so dumb in my opinion. Dimaria is the literal meaning of hax. She can kill any magic apart of Zeref and Acnologia. August is the king of magic but until he shows time counter abilities Dimiaria still wins. And she even said that no one can enter her 'world' being the time stop thing.
God Serna would eat Natsus flames so that's not even a contest whether you can debate anything. Please stop comparing Natsus Igneel power up to the adoptive parents/Dragons, that's just ridiculous.
And dude Pretch/Hades above Gildarts? Please, Gildarts has flash like speed feats and he couldn't even counter Laxus speed.
Please, refrain from bashing other people's rankings. There are certain inconsistencies in ALL of the rankings (Mine included), none is perfect. While it's true there are more inconsistencies in ones than in others, Axiomus' is not, by far, the most 'biased' or most 'off' if compared to the average.
Besides, you didn't even provide me with your ranking, did you? Your opinions won't be taken into account and the idea was the more rankings, the more accurate the result.
Also, thank you (the 20 people who gave me their list, especially the 14 who did the full top64). You're great!
I'm making calculations. Been working on the whole project for more than 10 hours already. I'm a 'letters' or 'humanities' person not a 'math' person myself, but I love math and I'm doing a lot of basic calc here hahaha
Please, refrain from bashing other people's rankings. There are certain inconsistencies in ALL of the rankings (Mine included), none is perfect. While it's true there are more inconsistencies in ones than in others, Axiomus' is not, by far, the most 'biased' or most 'off' if compared to the average.
Besides, you didn't even provide me with your ranking, did you? Your opinions won't be taken into account and the idea was the more rankings, the more accurate the result.
Also, thank you (the 20 people who gave me their list, especially the 14 who did the full top64). You're great!
I'm making calculations. Been working on the whole project for more than 10 hours already. I'm a 'letters' or 'humanities' person not a 'math' person myself, but I love math and I'm doing a lot of basic calc here hahaha
if you read the story you would know that the information I provided was more than enough.
People on this forum are biased toward Natsu. Brandish, the mod said God Serna can't eat fire because he's a second generation dragon slayer.... Like wtf is that logic.
Gildarts can throw multiple mountain busting punches instantaneously. If Natsus Demolition fist being nearly mountain level was MORE than enough to take down a S12 then Gildarts would smack them Ez. (Besides Dimaria with her time hax)
If it took you 10 hours to calculate power rankings then I'm sorry for you.
I'm not listing dragons, just humans.
1. Acnoloiga/Mavis
2. Zeref
3. Dimaria
5. Gildarts
6. God Serna
7. August
8. Irene
9. Laxus/Jellal
10. Natsu and Gray
Why God Serna so high you ask? August has been stated to know every ELEMENTAL magic. God Serna already showed all of the elements meaning he is immune to them. It doesn't matter if August knows tons of magic if 70% of them are useless to a character. He knows Ancient magics which is unknown and I don't want to speculate.
August are equal""
In rankings they are but titles means nothing in Fairy tail and August showed better feats.
"Natsu is way stronger than gray."
The story showed us consistently that are equal. Also Gray started the timeskip stronger than Natsu with Silvers magic.
Laxus.. I don't need to explain why Laxus is up there.
if you read the story you would know that the information I provided was more than enough.
People on this forum are biased toward Natsu. Brandish, the mod said God Serna can't eat fire because he's a second generation dragon slayer.... Like wtf is that logic.
If it took you 10 hours to calculate power rankings then I'm sorry for you.
No dude it is not "more than enough". This thread, and the FT tournamenet recently or any other thread like this one, has been made in order to debate and share opinions. Don't act like you're telling the absolute proof and disregard anyone else's opinion.
As Brandish (the mod) said recently, there will always be bias and divergences in opinions. But i think that overall in this forum people try to defend their opinion from a logical point of view and with minimal bias. In any case, your opinion is just ONE out of many others' opinions. Dont be disrespectful.
if you read the story you would know that the information I provided was more than enough.
People on this forum are biased toward Natsu. Brandish, the mod said God Serna can't eat fire because he's a second generation dragon slayer.... Like wtf is that logic.
Gildarts can throw multiple mountain busting punches instantaneously. If Natsus Demolition fist being nearly mountain level was MORE than enough to take down a S12 then Gildarts would smack them Ez. (Besides Dimaria with her time hax)
If it took you 10 hours to calculate power rankings then I'm sorry for you.
I'm not listing dragons, just humans.
1. Acnoloiga/Mavis
2. Zeref
3. Dimaria
5. Gildarts
6. God Serna
7. August
8. Irene
9. Laxus/Jellal
10. Natsu and Gray
Why God Serna so high you ask? August has been stated to know every ELEMENTAL magic. God Serna already showed all of the elements meaning he is immune to them. It doesn't matter if August knows tons of magic if 70% of them are useless to a character. He knows Ancient magics which is unknown and I don't want to speculate.
August are equal""
In rankings they are but titles means nothing in Fairy tail and August showed better feats.
"Natsu is way stronger than gray."
The story showed us consistently that are equal. Also Gray started the timeskip stronger than Natsu with Silvers magic.
Laxus.. I don't need to explain why Laxus is up there.
Hey wow you're salty. The time it took me to calculate whatever I chose to is not for anyone to be sorry because I chose to do it.
The information you provided might be enough or not, I kindly asked for people to do the sorter and 14 people took it, whereas 6 took their time to provide me with a top20/top25, which is quite enough. You, on the other hand, not only did not do that but you come here disrespecting my work.
Now on another note, I do agree with you that people are overhyping Natsu a lot recently and downplaying Glidartz. But it makes sense since the feats Natsu's recently shown are IMPRESSIVE whereas Glidartz has been MIA for an entire year so we haven't been able to see his evolution. There'll always be people who're gonna need proof (feats) that Glidartz has become stronger to class him a high/top tier. Those people will claim to death that there are a ton of people stronger than Glidartz because he hasn't shown anything new ever since Tenrou arc (+ punch in Tartaros arc). The two logics are fine (the one that defends: oh ok, Glidartz has been MIA but well in 1 year he must've been training and he now must be a beast / the one that defends: oh well Glidartz used to be top tier back in Tenrou but ever since Tenrou he hasn't shown much/anything and Tenrou characters are fodder so top tiers in Tenrou are mid tiers currently).
And I also do agree God Serena must be high in that list. As a matter of fact, in the 'official mangahelpers community ranking' (yeah, that thing that you're sorry for because it took me over 10 hours to complete, and that I'm still going through), God Serena has turned out ot be the 10th strongest character (and 4th strongest Spriggan, only followed by August, Irene and Dimaria). So, yeah, your arguments are sound.
Gildarts and God Serna are easily the top characters in the story. And I don't even like any of them, but based on feats it's clear.
And GMG dragons are on spriggan level? Last time I checked Dragons are immune to magic meaning they should be the tiers with Igneel.
This list so dumb in my opinion. Dimaria is the literal meaning of hax. She can kill any magic apart of Zeref and Acnologia. August is the king of magic but until he shows time counter abilities Dimiaria still wins. And she even said that no one can enter her 'world' being the time stop thing.
God Serna would eat Natsus flames so that's not even a contest whether you can debate anything. Please stop comparing Natsus Igneel power up to the adoptive parents/Dragons, that's just ridiculous.
And dude Pretch/Hades above Gildarts? Please, Gildarts has flash like speed feats and he couldn't even counter Laxus speed.
God Serena's attacks are on Laxus/Natsu/Jellal's level. In fact, their attacks might actually be stronger because they have taken out Spriggan level characters.
Saying that the GMG dragons are on Igneel's level is laughable. ZIlconis was too scared to even say Acnologia's name, and was probably slain by him as he was one of the dragons under the GMG stadium. Igneel wanted to fight Acnologia in personally, and managed to take his arm. This is a permanent injury. I can safely say that Igneel did more against Acnologia than every dragon that he has slain before.
August knows every type of magic. This should include time magic. If August knows arc of time, he should negate Dimaria. Also, it's outright been stated that August and Irene are stronger than Dimaria.
God Serena can't eat any attacks that he can't react to, and not all attacks can be eaten in a fight. Look at Natsu and Zancrow's fight or look at Wendy and Chelia's fight. There were a good deal of attacks being thrown around, mostly hand to hand combat attack, that landed. If Igneel-powered Natsu punches Serena in the stomache, like he did multiple times against Zeref, Serena is getting knocked out.
Natsu with Atlas Flame's power could start dealing heavy blows to Motherglare. Natsu with Igneel's power should downright be able to slay a GMG dragon. If a dragon slayer with Igneel's magical power isn't on par with dragons weaker than Igneel, then there is something seriously wrong.
Hades is above Gildarts easily. Hades outright beat Laxus, and with his heart he tanked an attack that consumed all of Laxus mp and Natsu's. Essentailly Hades could beat Laxus + Natsu + Erza + Gray + Lucy + Wendy. Gildarts would struggle with just Laxus, whom was around Bluenote's level at that time.
"Natsu is way stronger than gray."
The story showed us consistently that are equal. Also Gray started the timeskip stronger than Natsu with Silvers magic.
Except this isn't even true. Silver's magical power would have ran out by the end of the Tartarus arc, and Gray had to learn how to perform devil slaying magic on his own. Natsu started the timeskip having Igneel's magical power inside his arm. Sure, Natsu had to train 10 months to be able to release it, but the amount of magical power that Igneel has is far superior than Silver's.
Gildarts can throw multiple mountain busting punches instantaneously. If Natsus Demolition fist being nearly mountain level was MORE than enough to take down a S12 then Gildarts would smack them Ez. (Besides Dimaria with her time hax)
War God Ikusa-Tsunagi is taller than any mountain, and the war god could cleave apart at least 2 mountains with his sword. Going by your logic that mountain busting feats = Taking out a Spriggan, then the shouldn't the war god be able to take one out as well? Natsu shattered the war god.
Gildarts punches can be matched by Bluenote. It took GIldarts his strongest attack on Tenrou Island to knock out Bluenote. Natsu can oneshot Bluenote with a single roar. Jellal can oneshot Neinhart, whom is a Spriggan. Laxus is hyped to be able to take out Ajeel in a single hit, and can take out Hades after having fought Wahl. Tenrou Island Gildarts simply does not have feats comparable with the current characters. He might be a lot stronger when he shows up again, but that's all pure speculation.
Why God Serna so high you ask? August has been stated to know every ELEMENTAL magic. God Serna already showed all of the elements meaning he is immune to them. It doesn't matter if August knows tons of magic if 70% of them are useless to a character. He knows Ancient magics which is unknown and I don't want to speculate.
Except, when you look at the official translations, August is said to be able to use every magic under the sun. It's also said that none of the others even come close to his level of magic power. You also put God Serena above Irene. You do realize that Irene managed to have one exchange with Acnologia, whilst God Serena was killed instantly right?
Except you know, heavy blows mean nothing if there is no lingering damage. Considering the fact that Motherglare (and even Future Rogue), were relatively unharmed by Atlas's power (even at the end of the fight), this all comes back down to the argument of AOE=/= destructive abilities..
Because a Fire Dragon Slayer being taken out by another Fire Dragon Slayer is feasible even in the slightest, but please, enlighten me how God Serena, a guy who has a Fire Dragon Lacrima inside him, is going to be taken out by fire from another slayer...
Nope, doesn't work in the slightest..
Except you know, heavy blows mean nothing if there is no lingering damage. Considering the fact that Motherglare (and even Future Rogue), were relatively unharmed by Atlas's power (even at the end of the fight), this all comes back down to the argument of AOE=/= destructive abilities..
Because a Fire Dragon Slayer being taken out by another Fire Dragon Slayer is feasible even in the slightest, but please, enlighten me how God Serena, a guy who has a Fire Dragon Lacrima inside him, is going to be taken out by fire from another slayer...
Nope, doesn't work in the slightest..
Motherglare was knocked out by the last attack. Future Rogue was injured to the point he couldn't move.
Same way Igneel can take out Atlas Flame. It's entirely possible for a dragon slayer to beat another dragon slayer of the same element provided that one is simply stronger than the other. Igneel-powered Natsu can kill Zeref, whom is supposed to be immortal. You're telling me he can't knock out God Serena with the same punch?
With no visible injuries on them, I might add, except Future Rogue's clothes being burned off...
Motherglare wasn't knocked out, the only reason he and Future Rogue didn't immediately retaliate is because the portal was destroyed and they were going home...if there was no portal they would have immediately swung back into action
Yes, because Serena won't be affected by another Slayer with the same element, why do you think Jura's attack was useless against him? Because he has earth resistance (Earth Dragon Slaying Magic) as well as he's stronger than Jura...those 2 factors go hand in hand..
Also Natsu had REMNANTS of Igneel's magical power, he uses one blow, he's finished...he doesn't have the entire package so putting him above full fledged Dragons? Yeeeeeahh....noo
August used a heat based attack and Natsu couldn't fully tank it. The same element could still hurt the slayer provided its strong enough.
Also, other dragons are definitely not Igneel level lol. They were fodderized by human Acnologia by the dozen, yet Irene put up some fight, despite her also not going all-out. Plus, there were mages 400 years ago who could slay dragons, I doubt they just all did out. Spriggan level characters are still dragon level, even if you don't want to believe they can slay a dragon without DS. Lastly dragons aren't immune to magic, jeez, Zeref is planning to take down the king of them all with magic. Jura said it feels like humans can't hurt a dragon in the same vain that Natsu said Mard Geer is invulnerable, its simply because they themselves can't actually hurt their opponent. And that's because at the time, they were far inferior to their opponent. Jura also did no damage to Serena, guess that means Serena is immune to magic lol.
Makarov also deemed Gajeel, Natsu and Gray candidates that could defeat Laxus. Its pretty obvious that Makarov was blinded by desperation, not credible hype. Aso, he never said she could defeat Laxus, simply that she could maybe stand a chance.
6) chapter 273 jellal knowing his Mp and all decided to use mystogan magic to try and defeat jura. Even though laxus already called him unlucky for having to face jura.
Because he has to do that. Using his own magic risks of FT downright being disqualified. Once he realizes he has no chance without his magic he goes straight into using it.
7) chapter 305 Mavis not only knew jura mp but alot more about his fighting skills too. She couldn't decide a way to handle him.
Actually he couldn't sense their MP until they actually used their magic (shown by Gray and Lucy) for whatever reason. So he was basically saying that the Tartarus, or even GMG versions of those characters (and himself) wouldn't stand a chance against Ajeel, not the current versions.
ERZA HAD THE ADVANTAGE AGAINST AJEEL WHILE 
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