Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

Which side are you on?

  • Team Spriggan 12

    Votes: 48 51.6%
  • Team Diabolos/Dragon Eaters

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Natsu only won that tournament because a speculative and baseless DF form of current Natsu was allowed :P That tournament was downright unrealistic, you cannot simply add a character that doesn't exist per se (yet).
 

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@sharkai Laxus blitzed the living daylights out of Hades and could have done more had we not decided to give all of his remaining MP to Natsu. What Natsu did to Hades is not far off from what Laxus could have done, since Laxuses MP would have made Natsus damn near insignificant. Erza wouldn't have able to replicate what Laxus did, not even close.
That's the problem. I don't want assumptions. I want some actual evidence. We don't know what erza could or could not do because she was in no state to do anything anyway.
And you got two things wrong
1) laxus did not blitz the daylight out of the hades. He blitz him ones. After hades started to fight, laxus tried to punch him but misses. Then laxus roars but misses again. He dodges the chain going both ways then get thrown back and 25 formula hits him. After that he uses all his might to blitz hades and then immediately falls on his knees. Having been pretty much done in by a casual hades spell.
That is just one blitz and in my opnion not as impressive as erza one blitz on an actual speedster jellal.
2) I understand the logic that natsu didn't have much mp so tenrou ldf natsu should be as strong as laxus since that is the only mp he has.
Unfortunately it does not look true. Laxus lost in the second exchange. While ldf natsu was just giving hades a beat down. Laxus performance was nowhere near ldf natsu.
I don't pretend to know why that is. Maybe this form of natsu can burn through his mp faster than laxus can ever hope to or is just a dragon slayer ability. But the evidence shows
tenrou lfd natsu >>> laxus
 

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Top Spriggan 12 (updated):
Top tier:
1. August
2. Irene
High Tier:
3. Larcade
4. God Serena
5. Bradman
Mid Tier:
6. Dimaria
7. Brandish
8. Invel (will move up or down when more is revealed)
Low Tier:
9. Jacob
10. Wahl
11. Ajeel
12. Neinhart
 

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Oh @Char so you finally completed it? Loved the final list^^ Nice work overall man..
It makes me happy to see Zeref in top 5 and only below Igneel and Acnologia:hip
 

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What do you think of the results!?

You are very entitled to compare the general results with your personal view on any character!
I missed your post of the results. Thanks for all your work!!

I think the list is pretty solid.

I'm sure everyone knows how I feel about DiMaria and her stupid Age Seal. God Serena is also a lot higher then he should be but other then that good list
I would say Brandish is actually the most overrated, for someone who has no fighting feats. She has no business being above Jellal imo.

DiMaria's hax needs to be cut down before the hype with does. For now I can't see anyone stopping it unless they have time magic. Hopefully Kagura did notice something.

As for God Serena, I have for the most part been critical about his attack power. I don't think the spells he showed are on Base Natsu roar level. But he did whoop 4 strong-ish opponents, and has some hype with better DS spells. If the GoI come back I think God Serena will rise for my opinion, but stagnate for others.
 

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Thx for your hard work @Char but I need to disagree . I already Prepare to be disappointed when you said " accurate " . Becoz I think your definition of " accurate " is different than most people lol.

I don't think it's accurate when you just took everyone rank . But still thx for your hard word even though I think it far from " accurate " .
In that case what would be accurate? What do you propose in order to make an accurate list ?
 

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1) laxus did not blitz the daylight out of the hades. He blitz him ones. After hades started to fight, laxus tried to punch him but misses. Then laxus roars but misses again. He dodges the chain going both ways then get thrown back and 25 formula hits him. After that he uses all his might to blitz hades and then immediately falls on his knees. Having been pretty much done in by a casual hades spell.
Laxus blitzed him 4 times. He kicked him, then punched him, then smashed him into the floor and then smashed him into the floor again later on. Laxus missed him once with a punch and once with a roar. Laxus fell to knees but he was far from done in, he still had plenty of MP left, and he then proceeded to endure one of Hades blasts with none of it.

Unfortunately it does not look true. Laxus lost in the second exchange. While ldf natsu was just giving hades a beat down. Laxus performance was nowhere near ldf natsu.
Laxus did not loose, he temporarily fell to his knees. He did not utilize most of his MP because he wanted to give the honours of beating Hades up to Natsu. Falling to your knees for a second =/= defeated.

I would say Brandish is actually the most overrated, for someone who has no fighting feats. She has no business being above Jellal imo.
She's also overrated.

DiMaria's hax needs to be cut down before the hype with does. For now I can't see anyone stopping it unless they have time magic. Hopefully Kagura did notice something.
Its never been overly up. The strongest she has frozen was Kagura, and even she was implied to have seen through to an extent. I refuse to believe it works on Spriggan level characters until it does. As of now nothing there to suggest it would, especially given that she considers her God Soul her Spriggan level trump card. We'll hopefully see in due time. If it works perfectly on a Spriggan level character then I concede (though then there is still characters like Irene and August who are leagues above the other Spriggan and Acnologia who is leagues above them), but I'm having doubts that's what's going to happen (cause I doubt DiMaria is going to win the war here).

As for God Serena, I have for the most part been critical about his attack power. I don't think the spells he showed are on Base Natsu roar level. But he did whoop 4 strong-ish opponents, and has some hype with better DS spells. If the GoI come back I think God Serena will rise for my opinion, but stagnate for others.
Agreed. If Hyberion and Wolfheim go on to solo a Spriggan then Serena is something else (at least as far as attack power goes) but I'm finding it hard to believe.
 
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Thx for your hard work @Char but I need to disagree . I already Prepare to be disappointed when you said " accurate " . Becoz I think your definition of " accurate " is different than most people lol.

I don't think it's accurate when you just took everyone rank . But still thx for your hard word even though I think it far from " accurate " .
First of all, thank you!!

Regarding my comment, don't get me wrong, and don't take my personal opinion too harshly :P

When I said "accurate" I meant if it adjusts to the combination of the opinions of 20 people. The sum of the opinion of 20 people weighs more than the opinion of 1 people (whoever s/he is, whatever his/her opinion is).

So, even though I personally DO NOT agree that Lucy is tiers above Irene, as you implied in your ranking; your opinion was taken into account and integrated within the opinion of 20 people, so Lucy moved higher and Irene moved lower in a way.

But understand that the sum of 20 people's opinion is more "accurate" than the opinion of 1 (unless you're Mashima).

You mention balance. If 20 people 'mix' their rankings I'm sure things balance out a bit and if we were capable of encompassing the whole fandom's, I think we'd get sheer accuracy (but again, if Mashima were to say: hey Lucy is the strongest character in this manga, then, well, the whole fandom would be wrong).

So, in a way, I get what you mean about the accuracy thing but I don't agree with you.
 

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@CharaRose
I'm a fan of Lucy's but that doesn't mean I consider her the 12th strongest character. This wasn't about popularity but about who'd beat who in a battle. And Lucy ain't beating Irene.

I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on beating a Spriggan because she "might" be able to. Like, if she uses 3 of her strongest spirits (Leo + Gemini turned into Marin + another one) + her stardress she might give a Spriggan a hard time but me, personally, I don't think she's gonna defeat a single one. I'm still giving her a big benefit of the doubt due to a clear lack of feats.

The thing with Lucy is that Gemini cannot (unfortunately) copy anyone stronger than her. If she could copy Erza, Mirajane, Gray or Natsu I'd have to put her very high on my list but she unfortunately cannot. And that'd be too haxy, for the record, so I prefer it this way.

If the list gathered the opinion of 100+ people it'd definetely be accurate. I don't get what you mean... there are people who are going to use hype and people who are going to be against its use, I don't like hype much, this is why as much as I'm a fan of Glidartz I don't like for him to be that high because he hasn't shown anything that puts him there, but still, it's what the opinion of 20 people (you and me included) said so I'm going to just refrain from comments and accept that if Glidartz is there is because there's a reason that people believe he must be there.

You say you're not biased and you do not abide by hype but if you allow my personal opinion to come into place here:

According to your ranking:

- How is Shaila the 6th strongest character in the FTverse? She was around Kyoka's equal or slightly inferior yet Kyoka was defeated by Erza (who you placed 28th). She was massively inferior to Mard Geer but you rank her higher. Heck, even Mirajane has got Shaila now but Shaila is 6th and Mirajane is 8th, why not the other way round? If Shaila is there because of Macro, then Mirajane also has macro, and Mirajane also has Alegria, so she's definetely above Shaila.

- Don't you abide by hype when you place Kagura 15th when she hasn't shown any remarkable feat that puts her Spriggan level or above? You've literally put her above Spriggan characters.

- Similarly, why is Minerva higher than Spriggan characters when all Sabertooth was defeated by a spriggan?

- Why is Glidartz so high in your list when you claim you don't listen to hype?

- The worst part, why are August and Irene on the 33rd and 34th position, below all spriggans and some mid-tier characters, when they're clearly top10 characters?

You said you're not biased but you clearly are one of the most biased people that were included in the communal ranking. You favor female characters over other characters, specially female characters that you clearly like (Lucy, Kagura or Minerva). I also like female characters and in a popularity ranking I'd rank them high, but in a power ranking they shouldn't be up there.

PS: Don't apologize about your English, it is fine and I'm not an English native speaker either.
 
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In that case we'll never get a perfectly accurate ranking, as you say.
Should we just give up?
The ONLY accurate ranking we could get is straight up asking Mashima. He gives us a ranking, that's his manga, there's no bias or speculation involved. In that case only, that would be accurate.

Otherwise we're forced to judge by ourselves, andby collecting everyone's (or at least a lot of) opinions, we'd get a ranking that's approaching what everyone thinks about every character.

I get your point don't get me wrong. But your point could be said about pretty much every thing said in the forum.
We organized a FT tournament recently, but there's no value at all. Nobody holds prefectly Mashima's opinion.
 

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In that case we'll never get a perfectly accurate ranking, as you say.
Should we just give up?
The ONLY accurate ranking we could get is straight up asking Mashima. He gives us a ranking, that's his manga, there's no bias or speculation involved. In that case only, that would be accurate.

Otherwise we're forced to judge by ourselves, andby collecting everyone's (or at least a lot of) opinions, we'd get a ranking that's approaching what everyone thinks about every character.

I get your point don't get me wrong. But your point could be said about pretty much every thing said in the forum.
We organized a FT tournament recently, but there's no value at all. Nobody holds prefectly Mashima's opinion.
if you ask Mashima, his bae Natsu would be at the top of the food chain no matter what manga says.
 

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But @Takuan, if you think of it more "trascendentally", our own rankings are made of the feats, portrayal and hype that Mashima gives us. If you gather such feats, portrayal and hype and you make a sound list, it might differ from another person's. But if you gather 100 of these lists and you put them together, I think the result eventually gets closer to Mashima's own mental ranking. And the more people you gather, the more it's going to be closer to Mashima's ideas. After all, our lists are but a result of his work, what he intends to convey and portray to us!

BTW Natsu is likely going to be the stronger character by the end of this manga so yeah, if you ask Mashima for a ranking, he'd probably put Natsu on the top. But that'd be when Natsu shows his complete potential, not now!
 

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if you ask Mashima the bae Natsu would be at the top of the food chain not matter what manga says.
With Erza coming second? :P
Well yeah, Natsu is bound to becoming a beast that's for sure. This is a shonen after all.
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But @Takuan, if you think of it more "trascendentally", our own rankings are made of the feats, portrayal and hype that Mashima gives us. If you gather such feats, portrayal and hype and you make a sound list, it might differ from another person's. But if you gather 100 of these lists and you put them together, I think the result eventually gets closer to Mashima's own mental ranking. And the more people you gather, the more it's going to be closer to Mashima's ideas. After all, our lists are but a result of his work, what he intends to convey and portray to us!

BTW Natsu is likely going to be the stronger character by the end of this manga so yeah, if you ask Mashima for a ranking, he'd probably put Natsu on the top. But that'd be when Natsu shows his complete potential, not now!
Dude don't worry i agree with you =)

I was answering to the other guy that complained about the lack of accuracy.

It's like probability. If we flip a coin a very high number of times we should approach a 50% tail 50% head. But that won't be PERFECTLY 50/50, thus we'll never get perfect accuracy.
That's why in order to get as close as possible we need to get a high number of people involved.
 

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Lucy can copy anyone else that have THE SAME MP LEVEL AS HER.... mp level Lucy >> team natsu

I'm not commenting anything else about what you said about Lucy as I already said it's not about her .

On another note , I already said this before your sorter did not give an accurate ranking! I was just using your sorter . And I even said I did not agree with it.
And as I said I rank people based on FEATS , that is why the springgan whatsoever hype character is not high on the list.

And the same goes to the MOST people , their rank is not accurate and they said it already.

And believe me , I think I'm the most least biased people in this forum .
That's highly inaccurate. Lucy's never had high amounts of MP thus she's very, very, very far from reaching Natsu, Erza or Gray in terms of MP. This gap hasn't been closed after the timeskip because, although Lucy has improved enormously, so have the others.

So, Lucy would need 10 years of MP training in order to be close to any member of Team Natsu's. I suspect she has even less MP than Wendy.

But, again, I cannot back it up, neither can you, so let's leave it to difference in opinions. Although I'm sure feats back my opinion up more than yours, but again, let's forget about it :P I'll only say that when a mage has high amounts of MP other people 'notice' it. People have stated before that Natsu or Erza's MP was magnificent but I've never heard such a thing aimed at Lucy.

On another note, I clearly stated the results of the sorter are sometimes not accurate if compared to YOUR OWN opinion, in which cases you NECESSARILY have to change it!!!! I was not interested in the sheer results of the sorter AT ALL but rather, it was a means for you to rearrange them quicker. What I wanted was a list with which you actually agreed!!

Next time I'll post the rules so as to avoid things like this to slip! :P

Also, and I very humbly say this to you: you cannot be unbiased and then say things like Gemini Lucy can copy Natsu, Gray or Erza... that's just... well...
 

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@SaberToothFan Indeed. You might think that a character like Bradman should be above, for example, God Serena (to give an example) because you think his MBP will be very effective against God Serena, but at the same time you understand that a good amount of people consider God Serena above Bradman because of particular reasons. My list wasn't 100% accurate to the communal, in fact when I was doing the calculations I sometimes thought HOLY CR*P (someone put x character 20th and someone else put him/her 50th) but then I thought: ok this character hasn't shown much so it may actually be accurate if you think his ability might defeat x or y.
 
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People are too salty. I've been polite when giving my opinion. You cannot even properly explain why you dislike the word accurate when it totally represents the communal ranking. The communal list might definetely differ a lot from yours but your list was included. If you don't agree with the result it's your problem, but it's accurate.

You're biased, you cannot defend your arguments and to top it off, you're disrespectful. It's the attitude when someone feels cornered :P

If you want to debate politely I suggest you learn some manners! :)

Can you please provide me with an argument that defends that Lucy should have more MP than any in Natsu's team? Oh, without bashing please, I'll be offended:notrust:notrust:notrust :spaz
well, if she can use the power of CSK then she would most likely be a top tier. she can't do that yet(I hope she does in the future). he/she probably means because of that.
 

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@SaberToothFan Indeed. You might think that a character like Bradman should be above, for example, God Serena (to give an example) because you think his MBP will be very effective against God Serena, but at the same time you understand that a good amount of people consider God Serena above Bradman because of particular reasons. My list wasn't 100% accurate to the communal, in fact when I was doing the calculations I sometimes thought HOLY CR*P (someone put x character 20th and someone else put him/her 50th) but then I thought: ok this character hasn't shown much so it may actually be accurate if you think his ability might defeat x or y.
I was actually surprised at how high Bradman was lol, looks like my Bradman crusade was received well. I was also pleasantly surprised that the GoI were so high in the rankings, I thought they'd end up victims of hype. I'm definitely looking forward to doing this again, I'll see if I can get Bradman and ST higher, muahahahaha....
 

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well, if she can use the power of CSK then she would most likely be a top tier.
Isn't the CSK just on Mard Geer's level? Unless he grew stronger himself I don't see how Lucy wielding that power would put her on top tier level, at the best she would be top 15 and thats pushing it even..
 

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Isn't the CSK just on Mard Geer's level? Unless he grew stronger himself I don't see how Lucy wielding that power would put her on top tier level, at the best she would be top 15 and thats pushing it even..
well, CSK is slow as fuck. if one of his attacks connected with Mard Geer then he would have been one shotted. I don't remember that battle but I don't think any of his attacks actually connected but they were massive. I also think that CSK was restricted because of Lucy' MP.
 
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