Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Brandish μ]

That's not with his own power though. Gajeel eat resources for it, not his own will like DF Natsu from Tartaros.

Well Bradman also doesn't have magic power either (anti-magic particles don't), but they had some iron in them (only a small amount). So I don't necessarily believe Gajeel got much of a power up, the main things was that he changed the nature of his body so he could hit Bradman. I do agree with your point about Gajeel not doing it solo though.

 

[sharkai]

Show me evidence where it says Irene and August have time related magic.

Show me proof that higher mp magics can counter anything.

Mest altered Brandish's memories, a spriggan 12 who nearly on the level of Irene.

Edit- "time hax doesn't work on higher MP mages"

Wrong, her time magic stops everything on earth. Meaning August and Irene were stopped in her 'world'. If that wasn't the case then August and the rest of the people would be in the future by a few minutes.

I understand where you are coming from. but try to think of this from outside the story perspective. dimeria magic is more powerful than even aconolgia magic. while aconoligia just blows shit up, with aoe near a city level, dimeria literally has to stop the Earth from spinning and technically even more, otherwise its not time stopping.
but dimeria fight would be boring and nowhere near as cool as blowing up stuffs like aconologia fight will involve, so more cool fight for aconoligia.
thus dimeria is not very important, which makes dimeria weaker than the series main villain and the boss of the arc, so her magic will not work for plot reason alone.

that is why when the author states Irene and august are stronger than dimeria, you should just take his word for it. maximum he will show is that dimeria magic will not work on them because of some bs reasons.
the most important thing here, this is not a real story thus a lot of plot holes, more haxer the magic, more the plot holes.

also Brandish should be able to one shot aconologia.

 

[Spirit]

Any ideas as to where Lacarde will fit on this list?
I'm curious as to the extent of is power if it really is of the same kind as Acnologia

 

[Boomburst]

I'm not mad becoz of what @Char said about Lucy . I'm just annoyed that he PURPOSELY bringing up about lucy so many times while I CLEARLY said that it's not about bias , Lucy, Mira or anyone... it's about his ranking but he decide to be salty to me by PURPOSELY mentioning and making me seems like the most bias people in this forum while I tried to judge as best as I could without being bias toward anyone .

If you were in my place and you judge everything base on that someone feats but then someone keep making you seems like the most biased human in the world..... how would you feel? Add up I'm not feeling great at that time.

I don't even care about what he said regarding Lucy .
I'm just saying that his rank IS INACCURATE but I guess he is butthurt somehow lol.

Thats why I said he is ridiculous and irrelevant... whatsoever lol....

This might be deleted soon , but I'm just going to clear things up.

Yea well of course it's not a 100% accurate list. The whole point of it was so that we could see a list that consisted of the opinions of multiple people, so that there would be less personal bias and that in that sense, the list would more accurate. He was just using your placement of Lucy as an example of how his list takes into account multiple opinions and balances them out. You're the one who got butthurt and assumed Char was trying to attack you or something.

 

[Char]

I’m reading my comment and I said “Lucy’s never had high amounts of MP”. I was wrong. I should’ve said “Lucy’s never had MP comparable to that of the other members of her team”. Even then, I may be wrong, since in Tartaros she actually managed to summon 3 spirits. How many spirits could Erza or Natsu summon at the same time? Could they make it to three? Maybe more? We don't know. And we will not know. Do you understand why I'm entitled to question Lucy's amount of MP? Because it's relative and it's hard to compare it to other character's.

She indeed has some good amount of MP but still, I do believe Natsu, Gray or Erza are above her in everything (MP reserves included). This is why I strongly believe Lucy could not have gemini transform into any of them. Of course, it's my opinion, and I respect those who say she could.

Also I’d like to mention that some spirits (like Leo) might choose to consume more of their MP so as not to waste the summoner’s that much.

Also, we know that summoning the CSK should take around as much MP as summoning 3 spirits at once, but again, we have no clue how much that is, this is all relative.

And also, we do know for a fact that when you summon CSK (and maybe any spirit), they operate under the amount of MP you’ve got left. We saw a slow CSK which could hardly put on a scratch on base Mard because Lucy was simply exhausted.

I guess you do realize stating Lucy has higher amounts of MP than Erza or Gray directly implies she could use them in battle by means of gemini and copying EVERY SINGLE ONE of their abilities, which means that Lucy is Lucy + Erza (or Gray), which directly means Lucy should be above Erza (or Gray) in the rankings.

I think there’s little people in the fandom who believes Lucy can achieve such a feat, not because she’s hated on (I love her a lot!) but because her strongest feat right now is summoning Marin who was an arguably strong mage, but summoning Erza or Gray… I don’t know…

I do hope we get to see a Lucy proper battle. If she fights a Spriggan for example, she might actually have to summon Gemini + someone powerful. For example, Erza. Let’s see if she can.

@CharaRose I didn’t bring Lucy purposely to make you mad or anything, I did bring her because you do understand that ranking someone like Lucy among the top 15 and someone like Irene below the 30th position is highly inaccurate, don’t you? You clarified to me that this was the sorter’s doing not your own doing. I had said you preferably had to rearrange the sorter’s results to your own thoughts but you might have overlooked that and you posted the direct results regardless. No need to bash or be salty, that was childish, you can be polite without the need to dis me.

I also don’t want to make you mad, I just want to make you understand that, if you consider certain characters above others, when they’re clearly not, then and only then, you're biased. For example if you happen to believe August or Irene wouldn’t make it to top10 then I’d say you’re biased… Because on what do you base your arguments IF (IN THE EVENT YOU DO) you place Kagura above Irene (for example)? THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, AGAIN, NO NEED TO BASH OR BE CHILDISH, you don’t need to answer if you don’t want to.

Also, I was never salty to you. I was very polite in my arguments. The salty one were you. Actually you’ve been the most disrespectful comment to me ever since I registered, and after I spent a good amount of hours carrying something out which is beneficial for the community so it’s funny you say I was salty to you lol

Also, if you believe MANGAHELPER’S (not my) ranking to be inaccurate, alright sleep tight.

On the communal ranking, what @Daniel9dsi said. But again if you’re going to sleep better thinking your personal ranking is less biased than a combination of 20 people’s list, so be it!

 

[Synn]

How can you rank Invel and Larcade so high if you never their abilities? That makes ZERO sense to do so, as for Dimaria, she needs to be the highest of them all. Her time ability allows to stomp any of the Spriggan with ease.

Hype of Irene and August does not bypass logic for Dimaira.

Invel has a high position among the Alvarez army, so he must have the skill to back up that position. Larcade was also ranked third solely based on hype and what we've seen this chapter. Of course, my list is subject to change at any time, as we know more on each Spriggan. It's nothing set in stone.

While I agree that Dimaria's magic is OP, her being ranked above Irene and August is ludicrous. August, as "king of all magic", probably has access to Dimaria's magic. As for Irene, she was considered the strongest female among the Spriggan 12 for a reason; Dimaria clearly isn't nowhere near her level.

The reason I ranked Dimaria lower than Serena and Bradman is based on their respective fights and what we've seen from them individually. Serena was able to take on the 4 Gods of Ishgar with ease and his full power was depicted as being even more monstrous. Bradman uses curse, not magic. His body isn't physical, so I'm skeptical if Dimaria could actually do something to him, even after stopping time.

Again, this is my opinion and my list is subject to change at any time.

 

[Kay3795]

Doubting Lucy would be TOP-TIER at the end of this manga is like doubting 22 pairs of chromosomes are needed to complete a biological life. And make no mistake; TOP-TIER isn't spriggian-tier (lol) or even super-spriggian-tier (like Irene & August).... No no, a thousand times no!

TOP-TIER is standing on the very TOP of the hierarchy -- With EOS Natsu, EOS Zeref, EOS Acnologia. After all, I expect Lucy to surpass all her Legendary mothers.

The only reason she isn't even higher up in my list is due to her lack of current feats vs very strong opponents 1v1 but I did put her borderline spriggian-tier with the likes of Erza due to her display. After all, she single-handed destroy Mard's curse when her magic was at rock bottom.

Even with her lack of feats; I see her taking on a sprrigian like Neinhart for example with her previous display. A battle of summoners.

I can never understand when she's sooooooooooo underestimated across the board. If anything, I get the impression that Hiro holds her back intentionally due to the OP nature of her magic ability.

 

[Char]

@Kay3795 Then we're going to need a few good amount of arcs after this one, because Lucy isn't climbing toward the top during this war.

Lucy isn't even spriggan tier atm. Either we get another timeskip where she trains a lot and she gets top-tier, or she gains some weird power-up that puts her on the same tier as Acnologia.

She destroyed Mard's curse because she was immune to alegria (natural counter) not because she was above Tartaros Natsu, Erza, Gray or Makarov.

I do also see her around Neinhart level though. Or ALMOST there.

 

[Kay3795]

@Kay3795 Then we're going to need a few good amount of arcs after this one, because Lucy isn't climbing toward the top during this war.

Lucy isn't even spriggan tier atm. Either we get another timeskip where she trains a lot and she gets top-tier, or she gains some weird power-up that puts her on the same tier as Acnologia.

She destroyed Mard's curse because she was immune to alegria (natural counter) not because she was above Tartaros Natsu, Erza, Gray or Makarov.

I do also see her around Neinhart level though. Or ALMOST there.

A bit of both really. For Lucy to surpass all the Heartfilias to have ever lived, I'm assuming she'd not only have to train but also have some sort of weird potential to unlock an absurdly powerful form. I'm thinking along the line of Avatar Aang, Roku, Korra & every other Avatars -- after the first Avatar -- with their hereditary Avatar State form which grants them the knowledge & understanding of past Avatars.

 

[Arjuna]

Mira proved that Gildarts is no where near August or Irene

Spoiler

Mira has never seen an opponent who is as strong as August or Irene.So this automatically proves that Gildarts is nowhere near them.So unless Gildarts trains for a year i don't see him reaching August or Irene level.Infact he may never be a Spriggan level.

 

[Takuan]

There's no reason to believe Gildarts never trained and slacked off for one year. Same old debate.
This is getting redundant.

 

[The President]

Jesus, now Age Seal is a planetary move, you really can't get more overrated then that folks. On account of Gildarts, its very possible he trained but lets not forget that he is at an age where he should be approaching his prime, if not already be at it. His improvements shouldn't match that of characters younger then him. At best he could hit Spriggan level, though I honestly have my doubts about him returning to the story, and it really isn't out of character for him not training.

With that said, Hiro could do anything.

Anna summoned CSK???

No but she probably could, she was hyped as the strongest Celestial Spirit Mage to ever live.

was it a regular attack or Meteor Blade which is mountain busting attack???

'twas a regular attack, which is still highly destructive.

 

[Demon Hunter]

No but she probably could, she was hyped as the strongest Celestial Spirit Mage to ever live.


'twas a regular attack, which is still highly destructive.

I wonder if CSK can be summoned without sacrificing your key.


well, I place Mard Geer on the level of Jacob anyway. plus, Celestial Spirits strength is depended on the summoner. Lucy already said that

Spoiler

its not like in chapter 10000000 Aquarius will be as strong as she was in chapter 1. that would be ridiculous.

 

[Woodenstool]

I understand where you are coming from. but try to think of this from outside the story perspective. dimeria magic is more powerful than even aconolgia magic. while aconoligia just blows shit up, with aoe near a city level, dimeria literally has to stop the Earth from spinning and technically even more, otherwise its not time stopping.
but dimeria fight would be boring and nowhere near as cool as blowing up stuffs like aconologia fight will involve, so more cool fight for aconoligia.
thus dimeria is not very important, which makes dimeria weaker than the series main villain and the boss of the arc, so her magic will not work for plot reason alone.

that is why when the author states Irene and august are stronger than dimeria, you should just take his word for it. maximum he will show is that dimeria magic will not work on them because of some bs reasons.
the most important thing here, this is not a real story thus a lot of plot holes, more haxer the magic, more the plot holes.

also Brandish should be able to one shot aconologia.

Yeah is obvious why they would do that. Hiro should've made Natsu use the power up on Acnoloiga because he killed his father. Zeref and Natsu had to beef which is poor writing to have someone hate a person out of nowhere. Jellal had a reason, for over 9 years I think. He made the CrimeS to take him down.

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Yea Mest altered Brandishes memories, but it lasted like five seconds before it wore off. And no, Brandish is not near the level of Irene. Makarov said that August's power was incomparable to that of the normal Spriggans, and Irene is as strong as he is.

For all we know everyone else COULD be in the future by a few minutes. It's not like anyone would notice.

If hax has no limits then why don't we just have Dimaria stop time for Acnologia? Why not have Brandish shrink him to the size of an ant? Why not have Jacob use Transport? Better yet, why doesn't Mest just alter all the memories of the Spriggan 12 and just make them kill themselves? This entire universe would fall apart if you could use hax on anything regardless of their magic power.

Well the universe wouldn't be here if it wasn't for plot/Ultear. Natsu said that Brandish magic power is high but August is a BIT more. Quit putting August and Irene on this pedistal like their light years stronger than anyone. Mest was freaked out because he would get one shotted by Wendy.

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I can't speak for Irene but there's a high chance that August can control time too due to his "form". Notice that August's "form" has black skin and silver/white lines going in a pattern across his skin, he can also shoot lasers that travel very fast. This "form" of August's is ridiculously similar to DiMaria's God Soul: Chronos, since God Soul: Chronos is her ace in the hole, I really wouldn't be surprised if August can control time similar to how DiMaria can.

Did you really just say that just because August and Dimaria have the same black skin color, that their the same in abilities.

I'm sorry, I just can't even comprehend what you just said.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Did you really just say that just because August and Dimaria have the same black skin color, that their the same in abilities.

I'm sorry, I just can't even comprehend what you just said.

If you look back to when DiMaria activated her God Soul: Chronos and compare it to August's transformation you can see the similarities, those being:

- Both had their skin turn ash black.
- Both have silver/white lines running along their skin.
- Both can shoot very fast lasers from their hand.
- Upon activation both of them had their hair going upwards from the pressure.

Given all the similarities it's likely that August has something similar to her God Soul, in which case he can probably stop her Age Seal. I wasn't saying that because both turned black August can turn back time lol.

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Well the universe wouldn't be here if it wasn't for plot/Ultear. Natsu said that Brandish magic power is high but August is a BIT more. Quit putting August and Irene on this pedistal like their light years stronger than anyone. Mest was freaked out because he would get one shotted by Wendy.

Dude, it's been made apparent tons of times that August and Irene are far above the other Spriggans, Brandish has said it, Makarov has said it and Natsu and Lucy made it clear too.

 

[Woodenstool]

Mira proved that Gildarts is no where near August or Irene

Spoiler

Mira has never seen an opponent who is as strong as August or Irene.So this automatically proves that Gildarts is nowhere near them.So unless Gildarts trains for a year i don't see him reaching August or Irene level.Infact he may never be a Spriggan level.

Gildarts has amazing speed feats.
Here is him moving several feat and attacking befitting Natsu even notices.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net..._attack.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140615221949

Theres a reason gildarts is never around. Because Hiro made him so op the arcs would be boring. Im not saying its hiros fault, thats how he intended Shanks to be. People seem to forget they modified all of magnolia because hes clumsy. Which means just by being a bit of a retard he can level an entire city.

He accidentally tripped on cracked an entire town. He freaking tripped on ACCIDENT!

He punched someone through an impregnable prison which is larger than a mountain and made a huge creator.
http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/25
Then he says Oops I didn't mean to hit him that hard. Like wtf!

"Poof speed" which is flash speed.
http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/14

Punches 13 dudes with one farm instantly.
http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/18

If you think Gildarts is incapable of replicating that feat, you are wrong. They may have been fodder, but it showcased his speed. Gildarts has casual mountain busting punches. If you combine those two, it means that Gildarts can throw out several mountain busting punches instantaneously. Gildarts is way faster.

He busted a mountain with one hand and wasn't even trying.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/417/14

Notice the trees and the river. Gildarts and Natsu aren't taller than trees or bigger than a river. Gildarts with own casual punch busted that entire area, the river got destroyed. If you see the next page, Gildarts facial expression tells me that he says hold up... Now come at me. He actually wanted to still fight Natsu after doing that. Insane! And the fact that trees are large and cover that mountain means a lot.

"Natsu beat Bluenote easily"

Gildarts had his magic stripped away from him.

"He exchanged blows"
Gildarts was not infusing crash with his punches, just regular ones. You know this because crash is white energy.

Natsu didn't fight Bluenote. He simply just attacked him before he had a chance to attack.

Feats. (Mod make this bold, idkhow)
Crash destroyed a HUGE mountain easily.
August spells not on mountain level can be canceled out with crash easily.
August unable to react to Brandish stabbing him showcases his speed. On the other hand, Gildarts was several feet back and was instantly in front of an enemy and attacking me before Natsu noticed.

So really, it doesn't mean jack sh*t if Gildarts runs faster than August and Irene and throws multiple mountain busting punches before they can react. Gildarts being the guy he is would never let that opportunity present itself.

And the magical presence of Gildarts could be felt by Lucy and Cana who were on the other side of Tenrojima. And Gildarts wasn't even using all of his power. That feat is more impressive than Mira being next to them. And btw, Natsu doesn't react the same way to August or Brandish. Nor does Lucy, it was because they just met. Mira always saw Gildarts.

 

[Axiomus]

Spoiler: Natsu says August's magical power is way beyond Brandish's

Spoiler: Makarov says none of the others even come close to his level of magical power

August also has the hype of knowing every type of magic under the sun. There might be some exceptions like magics that humans can't learn by themselves like Ankhseram's curse, Fairy Heart, or Dragon Slaying magic (unless it's written by down in a book), but Arc of Time should not be one of those magics. August should have a counter to Age Seal. There shouldn't be any debate. August is stronger than the other Spriggans, except for Irene.

 

[sharkai]

I don't think arc of time is enough to protect one from dimeria age seal.
Arc of time just like any other magic need to be performed. You can't do that if you can't move because time is already frozen.
Ultear is a special case, since she is now like her mother. Becoming part of her magic.
As for others having dimeria kind of magic. Remember she has that magic because of Chronos. And she has Chronos because she is descended people mildian or some ancient city where zeref used to study and got cursed.
So August shouldn't have something like that. He could have a cheaper rip off like zeref had. But should be nowhere as potent as Chronos. But the plot ...

 

[Axiomus]

Spoiler: Gildsarts uses magic to push Bluenote

Spoiler: You can see the magical power coming from Gildart's in this punch

Spoiler: Gildarts can be seen using magic here

This idea that Gildarts didn't use any magic to fight Bluenote with is ridiculous. Gildarts was willing to use crash magic on the rocks, and sometimes even uses crash magic absent-mindedly walking around. In the first exchange with Natsu, he accidentally used crash magic because he didn't have time to hold back. There's absolutely no reason he would willingly choose to hold back when actuallly throwing hits against Bluenote, especially when it's confirmed that he was extremely angry with Bluenote.

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I don't think arc of time is enough to protect one from dimeria age seal.
Arc of time just like any other magic need to be performed. You can't do that if you can't move because time is already frozen.
Ultear is a special case, since she is now like her mother. Becoming part of her magic.
As for others having dimeria kind of magic. Remember she has that magic because of Chronos. And she has Chronos because she is descended people mildian or some ancient city where zeref used to study and got cursed.
So August shouldn't have something like that. He could have a cheaper rip off like zeref had. But should be nowhere as potent as Chronos. But the plot ...

Ultear is still alive as an old lady. What we saw against Dimaria was merely a thought projection. Unless the thought projection is capable of something Ultear herself is not, then I don't see why arc of time wouldn't serve as a defense.

I do agree that August shouldn't have Chronos though. That doesn't necessarily mean his manipulation of time is weaker than Dimaria's though. He does have higher magical power.

 

[The President]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net..._attack.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140615221949

This is anime filler bro, are you serious?

Theres a reason gildarts is never around. Because Hiro made him so op the arcs would be boring. Im not saying its hiros fault, thats how he intended Shanks to be. People seem to forget they modified all of magnolia because hes clumsy. Which means just by being a bit of a retard he can level an entire city.

Dude was having trouble with Bluenote, if Hiro wanted him around he would have had him around. He's definitely not OP.

He accidentally tripped on cracked an entire town. He freaking tripped on ACCIDENT!

More like a small village. That's what it means to not have control over your power.

He punched someone through an impregnable prison which is larger than a mountain and made a huge creator.
http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/25
Then he says Oops I didn't mean to hit him that hard. Like wtf!

Bro, Ice Trail is ALSO not canon. Seriously.

you think Gildarts is incapable of replicating that feat, you are wrong. They may have been fodder, but it showcased his speed. Gildarts has casual mountain busting punches. If you combine those two, it means that Gildarts can throw out several mountain busting punches instantaneously. Gildarts is way faster.

Absolutely not. Even Jet has been shown to blitz fodder, you absolutely CANNOT use blitzing fodder as a measuring stick for how fast Gildarts is.

He busted a mountain with one hand and wasn't even trying.

Damaged would be a better word. And he was most certainly trying, he was downright bloodlusted.

Gildarts had his magic stripped away from him.

Bluenote was still putting up a fight both before and after Gildarts magic was stripped away.

Natsu didn't fight Bluenote. He simply just attacked him before he had a chance to attack.

Natsu destroyed Bluenote in every sense of the word. Not debatable.

August spells not on mountain level can be canceled out with crash easily.

Augusts spell was far grander then a mountain, it was so grand that despite being a fire-type attack Natsu did not come out of it completely unharmed. Someone who has immense resistance to fire. Crash ain't doing shit.

August unable to react to Brandish stabbing him showcases his speed. On the other hand, Gildarts was several feet back and was instantly in front of an enemy and attacking me before Natsu noticed.

Your feats are non-canon and filler and performed on fodder on top of it. Not valid at all. Brandish stabbed an August that was completely caught off-guard from point blank range, the evidence you are using here is simply not valid to put it in light terms my friend.

So really, it doesn't mean jack sh*t if Gildarts runs faster than August and Irene and throws multiple mountain busting punches before they can react. Gildarts being the guy he is would never let that opportunity present itself.

Nah mate, even Bluenote reacted to these lightning fast punches you speak of. Irene was tango'ing with Acnologia himself, please stop.

And the magical presence of Gildarts could be felt by Lucy and Cana who were on the other side of Tenrojima. And Gildarts wasn't even using all of his power. That feat is more impressive than Mira being next to them. And btw, Natsu doesn't react the same way to August or Brandish. Nor does Lucy, it was because they just met. Mira always saw Gildarts.

Gildarts magic power is an absolute and utter joke compared to that of August and Irene. Heck, its an absolute and utter joke compared to any of the regular Spriggan. Have we seriously forgotten that Natsu has jumped dimensions in power since he was last scared of Gildarts MP? Him being frightened of Brandishes and Augusts MP NOW is FAR FAR FAR more impressive then him being scared shitless of Gildarts MP BACK ON TENROU. Stop it. Furthermore we have characters like Mira downright crying in the presence of August/Irene, saying their MP defies reason.

Also, the reason people are acting like August and Irene are light years above the other Spriggan is because they are. And it hasn't came from a single source either. Mest, Natsu, Mirajane, Makarov, Brandish, Zeref and even Acnologia have acknowledged just how powerful these characters are. The fact that you are trying to drive home that GILDARTS of all power is above them does surprise, alas, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm simply contesting the poor evidence presented.