Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015-2016] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Mammo]

but by adding haikyuu they might as well ask their readers to read Edited Mangas to catch up, no?

 

[UFOCat]

Viz does look at the surveys their readers fill out. They encourage the readers to fill out the survey and state if they liked the Jump Start or not. This myth of not taking reader opinion into consideration, I believe, is false. Viz has Black Clover as well. While some might not consider it a success, at this point, I find it hard to deny that Black Clover is a success for now. Viz uploads Haikyuu chapters every week on their free chapter section, and they will be doing that for a while. So it's basically serialized at this point. Yuragi will never be added to Jump unless it generates the same hype and success as Food Wars. Even still, I doubt they would add it just due to it's scandalous nature. They might be pressed to release individual chapters like they are doing with Platinum End if the fans really demand it, but due to Viz's track record, I really doubt Yuragi will ever see a release in the west.

 

[lobito180]

It's just that they are running out of options. They are starting to have no flagship titles. I don't think many people will subscribe Jump to read the latest World Trigger chapter, or something like that. Apart from One Piece, there are no series that spread widely the name "Shonen Jump" across the internet and they will have problems to catch new readers. In the past, you could convince a few people to subscribe to read Naruto or Bleach, but the lineup is becoming more and more "obscure", and by that I mean that there are few series that are popular outside the otaku fandom...

 

[UFOCat]

My Hero Academia, Black Clover, One Punch Man, Toriko, Blue Exorcist. All titles with wide spread appeal, all of them in English Jump. You could argue that including Blue Exorcist in the list is kinda stretching it and I would agree, but it did, at one point, have mainstream recognizability. English Jump is supposed to appeal towards the mainstream crowd. If Jump where to include Yuragi they would be alienating that crowd causing a decrease in already a low subscriber pool. Only the otaku's would stay. When ever an ecchi series is brought over as a Jump Start the comment section is in an uproar. The subscriber base for English Jump just doesn't like the ecchi genre. Food Wars is an exception though. I'm assuming the first couple of volumes sold well enough in the states that Jump didn't think it would negatively impact the subscriber pool if they added it to the weekly magazine.

 

[lobito180]

Maybe you are right. Sadly I can't subscribe to Jump since I'm in Portugal, but I would be interested in reading Yuragi (I'm reading scans anyway) even though I agree that it is a bit to fan service-ish to the mainstream public.
Note that One Punch Man and Blue Exorcist are monthly series. I don't think I would subscribe a weekly magazine to read a series that only comes out once a month. Even so, I think they sould just release Platinum End on the normal magazine, and maybe throw all the free stuff they are releasing to the magazine as well. At least it would become bigger for a few times.

 

[jagman1x3]

Maybe you are right. Sadly I can't subscribe to Jump since I'm in Portugal, but I would be interested in reading Yuragi (I'm reading scans anyway) even though I agree that it is a bit to fan service-ish to the mainstream public.
Note that One Punch Man and Blue Exorcist are monthly series. I don't think I would subscribe a weekly magazine to read a series that only comes out once a month. Even so, I think they sould just release Platinum End on the normal magazine, and maybe throw all the free stuff they are releasing to the magazine as well. At least it would become bigger for a few times.

One Punch Man isn't monthly, it's just whenever Murata feels like it at this point. They can't put Platinum End in there because it's got nudity, and the other free stuff wouldn't work because for one thing it's supposed to be free, and they don't want to lock it down to only releasing them on Mondays.

 

[UFOCat]

Platinum End is a M rated series. The magazine is T+. That's never going to happen. Most of the free stuff, that is not a preview of Haikyuu or Kuroko is monthly or irregularly released on Jump+. Since the only place to legally read One-Punch Man is Jump, even though it's irregularly released, people probably will still subscribe for it if they really wanted to.

 

[TyVip]

I don't see Viz adding Yuragi like ever.
I can see Viz add TG:Re to the line up after Tokyo Ghoul finish publishing ( 8 out of 14 currently).
If Zumou get an anime release in the future, I think Viz might add it to the line up and license it, free exposure for the series.

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Not to mention there will be people who will cancel SJ subscription because of that #BoycottSJ video.

 

[WyldViolet]

My Hero Academia, Black Clover, One Punch Man, Toriko, Blue Exorcist. All titles with wide spread appeal, all of them in English Jump. You could argue that including Blue Exorcist in the list is kinda stretching it and I would agree, but it did, at one point, have mainstream recognizability. English Jump is supposed to appeal towards the mainstream crowd. If Jump where to include Yuragi they would be alienating that crowd causing a decrease in already a low subscriber pool. Only the otaku's would stay. When ever an ecchi series is brought over as a Jump Start the comment section is in an uproar. The subscriber base for English Jump just doesn't like the ecchi genre. Food Wars is an exception though. I'm assuming the first couple of volumes sold well enough in the states that Jump didn't think it would negatively impact the subscriber pool if they added it to the weekly magazine.

Black Clover hasn't really caught on in the US, it probably will once it gets an anime.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it reaches Fairy Tail levels of fandom over here.

One Punch Man is big yes, but Toriko never really caught on and is also about to end, Blue Exorcist is known by a lot of anime fans and the second season will probably help it out but it's also a monthly.
World Trigger and Shokugeki run in Viz Jump but I don't really think they have a notable fanbase in the US. At least not enough to convince people to buy Viz Jump.
Which means the only notable series that Jump will be able to sell the magazine with will be One Piece, OPM, My Hero Academia, Black Clover,

Other than obviously adding Kimetsu no Yaiba and Samon-kun, they need to add more from other magazines they have. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is early enough in that they can jump on it. Depending on the content, Nakayama Atsushi's new series could be a good fit.
I put JoJoLion on hold so I don't know how close it might be to wrapping up, but whenever a new JoJo starts up they should definitely put that in. The RWBY manga could definitely get attention.
Even though the Dragon Ball Super manga is awful they should add that to the magazine rather than just upload chapters onto the website (same with Haikyuu).
Platinum End, Sousei no Onmyouji, and 7th Garden should also be added. Possibly the new series written by the ST&RS guy as well.
Go for some Jump+ series as well.
Even then though, none of those really have any drawing power.
But if they want to compete with Crunchyroll manga then they need more variety.

 

[UFOCat]

Those who are doing the whole #BoycottSJ probably don't even subscribe to the English Jump. They probably read Bleach illegally.

Jump has always thrived off of the big three: One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto. Now, the big three is: One Piece, My Hero Academia, and potentially Black Clover. English Jump has really ever thrived on nothing but three really popular series. Jump will never add Platinum End, or Jojolion to the magazine because they have nudity. I'm actually surprised that Jump hasn't added Twin Star Exorcist, but I guess they don't want to many monthly series in a weekly magazine. I really don't see Kimetsu no Yaiba being popular over here. Sure you have people on the SJ comment section saying they want it, but those are the same people who Dance Club and Mononofu. Basically they want all the past Jump Starts. If Samon-kun did get an anime adaption by the guy that did Gintama and Osumatsu-san, and Samon-kun exploded in popularity, then I could see Viz publishing the volumes and maybe adding it into the magazine, but until then it's questionable. I don't see Tokyo Ghoul:Re being added since by the time Viz publishes all of Tokyo Ghoul, Tokyo Ghoul:Re will have probably finished or be closed to finishing.

I was really pondering whether to include Toriko in that list because I remembered Funimation cancelling their distribution of that series, and I remember reading that Viz was not happy about a series that was not meeting expectations in sales (assuming that series is Toriko).

 

[Heiji]

Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san : 2 volumes : 300 000.

 

[Ihore]

^300k in copies in Print with only 2 volumes is pretty good stuff
here is the source for anyone who wants to see it

Spoiler

Has Black Clover gotten an update of numbers in print before?

 

[WyldViolet]

Those who are doing the whole #BoycottSJ probably don't even subscribe to the English Jump. They probably read Bleach illegally.

Jump has always thrived off of the big three: One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto. Now, the big three is: One Piece, My Hero Academia, and potentially Black Clover. English Jump has really ever thrived on nothing but three really popular series. Jump will never add Platinum End, or Jojolion to the magazine because they have nudity. I'm actually surprised that Jump hasn't added Twin Star Exorcist, but I guess they don't want to many monthly series in a weekly magazine. I really don't see Kimetsu no Yaiba being popular over here. Sure you have people on the SJ comment section saying they want it, but those are the same people who Dance Club and Mononofu. Basically they want all the past Jump Starts. If Samon-kun did get an anime adaption by the guy that did Gintama and Osumatsu-san, and Samon-kun exploded in popularity, then I could see Viz publishing the volumes and maybe adding it into the magazine, but until then it's questionable. I don't see Tokyo Ghoul:Re being added since by the time Viz publishes all of Tokyo Ghoul, Tokyo Ghoul:Re will have probably finished or be closed to finishing.

I was really pondering whether to include Toriko in that list because I remembered Funimation cancelling their distribution of that series, and I remember reading that Viz was not happy about a series that was not meeting expectations in sales (assuming that series is Toriko).

Why would Kimetsu no Yaiba not catch on? It's a battle manga about demons. It's also darker than MHA and Black Clover which also appeals to westerners.

 

[UFOCat]

The art. Plain and simple.

 

[WyldViolet]

The art. Plain and simple.

The art can and will improve over-time. Even now it's not ugly, it's just kind of odd. He has kind of a rough Togashi vibe to him.
He's a rookie mangaka with a lot of potential.

 

[Varus]

Neverland had a good reception Viz will most likely keep it as long as it survives
Red Spirit is more up their alley so I would not be that shocked to see it get favored
Love Rush could have shifted towards a more romance focused approach than ecchi and could possibly be Nisekoi's replacement but I doubt it

I will always be subscribed to Jump but the only two things I currently read there are WT and Clover the rest is all available on Thursdays from MS and if you do follow MS on twitter then you would have possibly heard that they are planning on picking up both Clover and WT

 

[Ihore]

The art you can get used to... just like Attack on Titan that has very sketchy rough art.

His art style won't change that's is his style(his one-shot was the same) , he might clean the rough edges and make movement more fluid but that's it, he won't revamp character designs.

Well expect them to pick up BC a bit surprised at WT though
Love Rush is very much Nisekoi replacement its a romcom with light ecchi.

 

[UFOCat]

I know art is completely subjective. I know too well as an art student, but I just don't see Americans liking Koyoharu's style. I know that's pompous of me to say, but I've read enough comments on comic book forums to come to that conclusion.

Eeeehh, Togashi has better panel composition in my opinion. I stopped reading Kimetsu no Yaiba when the jump start ended. I might go and check out the later chapters and see how it goes.

I don't know why people like the illegally provided scans rather than the official ones produced by Viz. The illegal scans try to sound way to edgy by making everything thing have cuss words. When done right cuss words can have great emotional impact to show rage or frustration, but the way illegal scans use them makes it sound like a high-schooler wrote the script.

 

[WyldViolet]

The art you can get used to... just like Attack on Titan that has very sketchy rough art.

His art style won't change that's is his style(his one-shot was the same) , he might clean the rough edges and make movement more fluid but that's it, he won't revamp character designs.

Well expect them to pick up BC a bit surprised at WT though
Love Rush is very much Nisekoi replacement its not that ecchi if you have read the one-shot.

The art-style isn't really an issue, but his character designs will grow over time. They won't drastically change, but with the refinement in his art over the years his characters will look alongside his backgrounds.

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I know art is completely subjective. I know too well as an art student, but I just don't see Americans liking Koyoharu's style. I know that's pompous of me to say, but I've read enough comments on comic book forums to come to that conclusion.

Eeeehh, Togashi has better panel composition in my opinion. I stopped reading Kimetsu no Yaiba when the jump start ended. I might go and check out the later chapters and see how it goes.

I don't know why people like the illegally provided scans rather than the official ones produced by Viz. The illegal scans try to sound way to edgy by making everything thing have cuss words. When done right cuss words can have great emotional impact to show rage or frustration, but the way illegal scans use them makes it sound like a high-schooler wrote the script.

Didn't you also come to the conclusion that Ghost TIts was awful and poorly written and would never catch on just from looking at the raws?

And yeah, Togashi has better panelwork. His panelwork is arguably the best in the industry.
Togashi is also a very established manga who has created two of the most popular manga in Jump history.
This is Gotoge's first work. Certainly leagues better than Wicked Cupid.

And for the last question, I don't like some of the liberties they take with the manga. Like calling Zoro by the incorrect name for instance.
Edited Mangas aren't perfect by any means, but if I have the choice between two unfaithful translations I'd probably choose the one that's free. It's not like I won't be able to grasp what's going on in a shonen manga, even with a poor translation.
Not to mention, I'm not going to pay money for a bunch of series I don't give a shit about.
The only Jump series I'd consider paying for are One Piece, Hunter x Hunter, Hinomaru Sumo, Haikyuu, Ghost Tits, Gintama, and Straighten Up.
Only one of those are in the magazine on a regular basis.

 

[Ihore]

A bit anxious to see how Volume 2 fares in sales since its a manga i have found very good.

Kimetsu no Yaiba is one manga that i think could be nominated for the Taisho Award this year or next year(if its still running).