I want to address want more thing troll laxus all you want but here are the facts, laxus destroyed tempest in their first fight you said keith and jackal died so that was legit, well tempest also died only reason he came back was hell's core. You say he wasn't in entherious form show me proof he looks almost identical to how he and torfussa foght natsu and gajeel. Keith and jackal where in normal but you seem to think their fights are legit, why is that? The wiki doesn't even say jackal died his status is unknown. It was hiros decision for laxus to fiught tempest round 2 in the anime so if the author stated it whats your problem. Gray was my 3rd favourite behind jellal and laxus.
I literally don't understand what you're even trying to say here.
How on earth do you get this from his post?
This is his quote:
"Hrmm? I believe you misread my post. Here it is again:
I think we're in agreement here. Gray is the only slayer who has the traits of a slayer only some of the time and not all of the time. Laxus is always resistant to lighting, and as you stated, Gray isnt always resistant to ice.
1 - Silver wasnt one-shot. Wouldnt a one-shot mean that he lost after taking only one hit?
2 - Laxus isnt walking off a hole being blown through his torso....Who the hell could?
.....What on earth makes you label Invel as fodder? He seems monstrously powerful and ha"
Where does he mention anything about Laxus vs Tempesta, Where's the mention of Torafusa, Keith and Jackal being legit?
What does the bold even mean? Where is he attempting to troll Laxus? Like wtf.
Talk about bizarre. Some kind of sensitive spell some Laxus fans have on themselves or something.
I didnt want to start a Gray vs Laxus bit.
I do think that Laxus was more powerful than both Gray and Silver during that arc (ignoring the instant freeze hax), but Laxus has never shown to be so durable that steel shatters against his skin. That seems an odd belief to hold.
Laxus could defend against an attack using metal using his lightning blasts, sure, but we have no idea how Laxus would take the attack head on with no defense. Get over the fact that Gray threw the damn ball.....the ice gauntlet "Vambrace" was obviously meant to be a powerful move. He had already used "Cannon" so Hiro wanted to use something different, and since when did Gray save weaker moves for the final blow? If he could have shot the ball with more force using one of his cannons, dont you think he would have?
Face it sliver is a glass cannon, did any off grays other moves hurt silvers chest? No! there first one gray uses turns into a mortal kombat fatality, you call that fight whatever you want, to me it was any ass pull, atleast with erza vs kyoka erza did a bunch of damage before she beat kyoka.
Yes? Silver was wearing armor over his torso. Gray's cannon blasts were so powerful that they shattered that armor and Silver clearly was extremely fatigued after taking those hits.
The durability of a character doesn't changed just because the mass is lowered. It's just a smaller Dimaria, a life sized Dimaria wouldn't be crushed if Brandish stepped on her. The same would apply if she was shrunken.
Gildarts and Brandish share similar magics. He can split people into bits but they still have all the magic power if they all attacked. Now apply that to one person shrunken down, she still has the strength, speed, etc.
This wouldn't apply to August because well he got stabbed with a butter knife. Haha eZ.
One way to handle it is to reference their portrayal. DiMaria isn't portrayed to be above any Spriggan, unlike Larcade, August or Irene. So it would be a bit of a let down if DiMaria was in fact stronger.
I think Age Seal is very dangerous, so I give DiMaria the benefit of the doubt in power ranking and place her no.4 in the Spriggans, and at most I place her with Jellal/Laxus, but I think they're stronger than Dim's.
Everyone but you takes him seriously. Especially since the manga has gone out the way to make is crystal clear that Irene and August are head and shoulders above the rest of the Spriggans.
One way to handle it is to reference their portrayal. DiMaria isn't portrayed to be above any Spriggan, unlike Larcade, August or Irene. So it would be a bit of a let down if DiMaria was in fact stronger.
I think Age Seal is very dangerous, so I give DiMaria the benefit of the doubt in power ranking and place her no.4 in the Spriggans, and at most I place her with Jellal/Laxus, but I think they're stronger than Dim's.
Hope the mods don't ban Woodenstool. I know that 70 percent of what she says in her posts are petty ad hominems, 20 percent is "Gildarts is the strongest", and 10 percent is "August has butterknife level durability", but she makes mangahelpers even more entertaining than it already is. Though at some point it's gonna get really old and repetetive for me...
I'm curious to know who you have at number 3? I'm assuming it's either Larcade, Invel, or God Serena?
Hope the mods don't ban Woodenstool. I know that 70 percent of what she says in her posts are petty ad hominems, 20 percent is "Gildarts is the strongest", and 10 percent is "August has butterknife level durability", but she makes mangahelpers even more entertaining than it already is. Though at some point it's gonna get really old and repetetive for me...
I'm curious to know who you have at number 3? I'm assuming it's either Larcade, Invel, or God Serena?
I don't see Hiro show us @Brandish Magic at it's finest ...
Resize someone skull to crush his brain
Before someone writes that I'm making assumption @Brandish shows that she is able to affect certain parts/bones of target body as well as concentrate on certain one
Also, she has the power to close and open threads on our forum ( and usually deleting my posts ) <<Yeah this one is a jk
I was using those options based of the opinion of multiple people. Most lists I have seen have either Larcade, Dimaria, Invel, or God Serena as the 3rd strongest. Brandish is a wild card (though I won't put it past @Brandish to rank herself at 3rd ).
The irony is strong in this one...The one who takes the discussion out-of-context and makes it personal is the one who isn't mature,honey.
The claim in this debate isn't "Jellal/Laxus can counter it" so it's actually "Age Seal will work on Jellal/Laxus" because Dimaria is the one who has to prove that her magic can work on people stronger than the ones it previously worked on(Wendy,Chelia etc.). It's the only argument that applies in a situation like this..The No-Limit-Fallacy argument. We can't say Age Seal will work on Jellal/Laxus in the same way we can't say it will work on Acno and in a similar example ,say Fairy Law will work on Zeref/Acno.
And through NLF,we can say that MEST can alter the memories of everyone on Brandish's level and below...We can't say however,that he can alter Acno's memory and convince him to turn to the good side..We can't. That's the logic in an argument where we can't measure someone's ability in hypothetical situations
For all we know August COULD be in the future. Who would know the difference? It was only like ten minutes. And that's even assuming Age Seal works the way you think it does. What I think happens is that when Age Seal activates, time is frozen for anyone affected by it, but once it's over, the people affected are back in real time. So there would be a jump in time for the people caught in Age Seal.
Mest altered Brandish's memories and it lasted a grand total of like five seconds. So even assuming Dimaria can do the same to August it wouldn't last anywhere near long enough for Dimaria to defeat him.
Lmao nice "debunking" buddy. Better luck next time.
Ultear has Jellal's back so Age Seal won't work on him
I don't rank people how they perform against someone specifically. Age Seal is OP, but it doesn't seem the Spriggan's themselves rate her better than any of the others, so I give her pick 4. Just using the portrayal to restrict potential NLF with Age Seal.
I meant when you are arguing, you used your own assumption that hybrion can some how b near erza level and then started saying Serena will low diff 3 x erza + jura. So obviously Serena >>> ajeel.
Basically you are making an assumption to prove your own assumption.
If you are arguing like that. Not much can be said about those skills
For example this
"However the gap between Laxus and Natsu was bigger since the gap between Erza and Natsu was one tier and the gap between Laxus and Erza was also one tier, so the gap between Laxus and Natsu was around two tiers. Now this gap should be one tier or even maybe less."
Is an assumption
You need to give proof for this.
Laxus reputation being spoken highly above erza reputation
You have show erza pissing herself when laxus walks in
You have to show laxus one shotting someone whose weaker version was beating a crap out of erza
You have to show erza getting blitz by someone. And the same someone then with help could not blitz laxus.
Once you show all this then you have proven that the gap between laxus and erza is same as erza and natsu
Then you can use this argument as a base.
When Wahl gave him powers through pis, laxus achievement went down. He didn't completely solo him with his own power, in true sense of words
I am saying laxus facing such odds isn't unique to laxus vs Wahl gajeel had some disadvantage erza had some disadvantages
With erza win being the least ass pull win
I don't care much about. I am talking about what it did to him in a fight. Did his durability fall, did his power fall, or it only allowed Wahl to land free hits on him like Marin did with ajeel
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If you analyze the battles:
Erza put up a decent fight against Ajeel but the latter had the upper hand and she only won because it was a teamup of Erza+Bisca(with Jupiter) so it was not exactly 1 vs 1. Ajeel > Erza.
Laxus beat Wahl on his own while doubledly handicapped. Which means Laxus >>> Wahl.
Wahl >= Ajeel
Laxus >>> Erza. Laxus easy diffs her.
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It was two vs two. with erza winning
only two erza swords could harm ajeel one mid tier one and one high tier one. So she also had a serious disadvantage
Also when ajeel went all out, it made erza even more disadvantaged because she is not an aoe mage. And cqc she need her eyes. Ajeel only landed hits when erza couldn't see him.
Wahl is not stronger than ajeel.
So using erza vs ajeel isn't good way to judge erza power. Erza vs wahl would have been a pure cqc fight. That woud be good way to judge
We don't know whether red lightening is his strongest or not. It seems to be his strongest
Not the nuke.
"Actually Erza did go all out so she's showcased all she can do already. Which means her beating Irene would be PiS, CiS, ass pull and plain stupid"
No erza didn't go all out in a sense that her other magic wouldn't effect ajeel sand body. So yeah she could have some new more powerful weapons which wouldn't work on ajeel sand body
What do you mean spoof or line speed ?
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You are not being generous, you are just being silly. Laxus never mid diff erza. Nor he had mid diff any erza opponent. So you saying this is equivalent of me saying bos erza could mid diff gildarts and I am being generous
lightening empress armor made erza completely ignore his attack. She casually was having no trouble handling casual laxus
Erza being the weakest main character is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Levy will one shot aconologia before that. Do you even have common sense? Do you honestly see miashma doing that with erza ever even now with Eileen presence
I mean sting and rouge have so much hype. Even Wendy. You probably also think wendy will one shot gray because dragon slayers have much more hype than demon slayers
Ajeel expression wasn't that far off from avonologia expression and his action later says the complete story. He didn't believe he was gonna be killed in magnolia
From a random lighten bolt
Erza feats were above jellal and laxus feats, like blowing up island, takimg all the Jupiter cannon for herself, reacting to racers who blitz natsu gray and three other fodders at the same time. Enduring Tara clemare twice, that thing had magic from all fairy tail mages in it. Also probably showed the most highest stamina next to natsu
Also one shotting a guy whose weaker version was beating the crap out of natsu
I don't know what more you want from ws. Especially since jellal was ws
Deleiro is feat less, you know that right
No Marin only caused erza to lose huge portion of mp, obviously no where near gmg kagura sheathed strike which mishma compared to Jupiter
interestingly, ajeel was going for the kill here.
And of course most erza magic didn't work on ajeel sand body
You are erza hater. That why you have no problem downgrading her
But cannot stand someone downgrading laxus or gray
Laxus not having shown to one shot blue note should not elicited any response from someone who thinks erza, mishma mary sue, his favorite girl should be maybe stronger than Wendy
We look for consistency, if you say jellal can take out zeref at the end. And maybe laxus will be stronger than Wendy. Some people might assume you hate laxus guts
Okay, feats obviously disagree with what your suggesting. Back in the FF Arc, Laxus spent a lot of of his magic fuel, and still took on Natsu and Gajeel, at the time and even dominated in fair amount of spurts and exchanges of the battle. Even tanking their roars, and pretty much incapacitating Gajeel with a halbred.
Does this look like Erza was casual to you?
In the panels later,
Erza then released her lightning armor empress, and pretty much walked way from the fight. She hasn't shown to casually hold up a casual Laxus.
Show me anything where Erza has shown to come even close to that level of prowess displayed by Laxus against Natsu and Gajeel. Given their improvements assumingly being at the same level of pace, it's not silly to suggest Laxus would mid diff Erza currently as well. Infact, feats and implications suggest he can oneshot her if he goes all out with a secret art, and may casually severally damage her with A unnamed nuke.
Erza being one of the weakest in the end of the series isn't a silly thing to state. There are times in several shounen mangas, where the strongest from the beginning of the series, ends up being surpasssed. Changes are pretty much immenent, Natsu not only closed the gap on Erza, but is now fimrly ahead of her. Others with more going for them, will be above Erza soon, if not already. Hahaha... Erza isnt' going to take on Eileen by herself, Eileen is so far above her level, that it's not even funny.
Nope. Sting and Rogue don't have the relevancy to have too much hype, not even Wendy. I'm not talking about just hype, I'm also talking about scaling, transformations, and circumstances to look at the firm picture that is ahead of your grasp. Which has Gajeel and Gray most likely taking out Erza.
Ajeel expresion had him shitting his pants, when did Acnologia ever show such a similar expression? It was literally implied Ajeel would either be massively hurt by Laxus's casual nuke or oneshotted. There's a reason why August had to protect him, and stated that dialogue of being afraid to lose a comrade. Mashima literally shoves this to your face.
Hahahahaah, blowing up an island? The feat was a collision from Erza Knightwalker's attacks that collided with Erza. It was a combination of both that had them taking out a small island. Jellal held his own against a DF Natsu etherion.
Yeah, no. Laxus's feats against Natsu/Gajeel firmly put him far ahead of Erza. Taking on a high tier in Hades and even momentarily overwhelming him shows Laxus is atleast a tier or two ahead of Erza. The same Hades that was casually dominating Erza. Taking the Jupiter canon, had her being down for the count. Gray also reacted to Racer by dodging his kick. Moot irrelevant point. The only thing Erza is close to when it comes to Laxus is endurance, that's about it, but even then Laxus is still firmy ahead of her. Laxus had enough endurance to take on Hade's beam, without magical power.
"Also one shotting a guy whose weaker version was beating the crap out of natsu"
Who was this?
It seems my post went over your head...
"Do you have common sense?" Let's not resort to ad-hominen, atleast debate rationally instead of thinking you will win by attempting to insult me.
-Deliora was a casual village/town wrecker, he has feats.
-Ajeel would've most likely killed her but CIS/PIS got in the way.
-I'm no Erza hater, infact I'm pretty neutral on her. but if you keep going with that tone of yours, and biased riddled non-objectivity spouting all over the place, I might end up disliking her because of you.
Laxus while being nerfed took on Wahl with Red Lightning. A casual nuke with less exertion of MP should be able to oneshot Bluenote, given his MP increase. Bluenote isn't known for having such durability to withstand it.
Ifs don't mean anything, and have no bearings to consistency, since I don't firmly believe Zeref will be taken out by Jellal. Laxus is ahead of Wendy, for obvious reasons, so once again point is moot.
I expect some better debating posts from you, because this was awfully short-sighted.
Not even a huge fan of Laxus, but I give credit when it's due.
For all we know August COULD be in the future. Who would know the difference? It was only like ten minutes. And that's even assuming Age Seal works the way you think it does. What I think happens is that when Age Seal activates, time is frozen for anyone affected by it, but once it's over, the people affected are back in real time. So there would be a jump in time for the people caught in Age Seal.
Mest altered Brandish's memories and it lasted a grand total of like five seconds. So even assuming Dimaria can do the same to August it wouldn't last anywhere near long enough for Dimaria to defeat him.
Lmao nice "debunking" buddy. Better luck next time.
Proof?
If August is in the future then hes in a different timeline. OMFG kid learn the paradox and time travel. Have you not watched The Flash? Mest's memory alter ended because she already completed her task, that blade hit his heart and lungs, he should've been dead.But plot armor.
No he wouldn't...In the same way Wendy/Chelia's bodies stayed in real time,August would too.
And through NLF,we can say that MEST can alter the memories of everyone on Brandish's level and below...We can't say however,that he can alter Acno's memory and convince him to turn to the good side..We can't. That's the logic in an argument where we can't measure someone's ability in hypothetical situations
You don't have to say "you got debunked" or like in your previous post"no one takes you seriously" Saying that doesn't make it so..
He can't control Acnologia, Rogue controlled 7 dragons but he said his dragon control magic didn't work on Acnologia. So I doubt that Mest could alter his memories. There would be no story if that was the case.
Citing other series does not add anything to the argument about this series. Especially citing a series where you can time travel by moving fast enough...
No Limits Fallacy. Dimaria hasn't been shown to stop the time of anyone that level. You need to prove that she can stop the time of anyone who is stronger than the strongest person's time she has stopped.
That's not how memories work. Brandish should still have the memory of wanting to kill August regardless of whether the task was completed or not. Keep grasping at straws buddy.
So the fact that August was pierced is proof of his low durability to you, but the fact that he didn't die from that stab is somehow plot armor and not proof of high durability? God the hypocrisy is rich.
I don't think @Brandish is a very high tier Spriggan.If we remember Gray told Ajeel is on the level of Brandish.So she is on the level of Ajeel.Slight stronger or on his level.
Lol. I hate to be off topic here, but I feel bad for some people who's given themselves a bad name on this amazing site. It effects a lot of people's perspective on them, especially the new members like me. I've already lost interest in reading their posts. What a shame.
Anyway, based on Dimaria's hax magic, she should easily be a top 2 threat, but plot in this manga won't let it happen. I could see her being another Esdeath, but 3x better.
Though at some point it's gonna get really old and repetetive for me...
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