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Two things that occupy my mind currently: Fraudrin's magic is called Full Size. I have no idea what that entails but he threatened Death Pierce that if he were to shed his skin and reveal his true nature then they wouldn't be so full of themselves. So it might have something to do with that.
You know i was thinking his ability could have something to do with the form he had when he killed Liz in danafor. He's pretty much been reduced to an amorphous blob but what if that's what fruadrin was this whole time. Maybe his ability just allowed him to alter his size and appearance thus giving him the likeness of the monstrosity we saw in danafor.
 

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But this was way back in Liones...Gowther is supposed to be a good guy. He even understood that he had to let Guila go. Why he hasn't done the same (or why someone hasn't told him to) for Diane doesn't make any sense.
King tried to make him do it, but, Gowther refused... Meliodas couldn't tell him to because they got separated. The only way i see Gowther returning Diane's memories in a sincere way is if Escanor or Merlin asks or offers something in exchange for that.
I mean, it's not like nobody has tried... and at Liones 1 month ago, we don't know what happened... but, i get the feeling that their time together was short and he did not return what he took. (What if he can't btw?)
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You know i was thinking his ability could have something to do with the form he had when he killed Liz in danafor. He's pretty much been reduced to an amorphous blob but what if that's what fruadrin was this whole time. Maybe his ability just allowed him to alter his size and appearance thus giving him the likeness of the monstrosity we saw in danafor.
Or maybe using his ability makes up for his lack of physical strength when his magic is quite high???
Then he still gets wrecked or changed his body back into a blob to mostly tank Meliodas's attack?
 

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It is too early to predict what will happen eventually. All I was saying is, that it's not impossible for her to reach similar levels of power.
It impossible to become that in a short time except if nnt had the hyperbolic t.c
 

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You know i was thinking his ability could have something to do with the form he had when he killed Liz in danafor. He's pretty much been reduced to an amorphous blob but what if that's what fruadrin was this whole time. Maybe his ability just allowed him to alter his size and appearance thus giving him the likeness of the monstrosity we saw in danafor.
Possibly. His speciality is imitating humans and he hangs around with Grey Lord a lot who also can change shape. So maybe Fraudrin can mimic and impersonate creatures physically but never humans. That is why he only possesses them.
 

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I'm honestly expecting the ability GOD to mean that Zeldris is next is line to be the demon king and that is what will make his mark different. You know how Meliodas's demon mark was different in Estarossa's flashback and he said every saw you as the next DK... i feel like maybe Zeldris has now taken that role and could use that ability now.
Zel could be the next in line, but God has to be his innate Magic. Mel had Full Counter even back then.
 

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Zel could be the next in line, but God has to be his innate Magic. Mel had Full Counter even back then.
Yeah, but, we know that the demon king can bestow magical abilities onto people and take them away. So what if he took that from Meliodas after he defected and gave it to Zeldris because he was more willing to be a king than Estarossa?
With 2/3 brothers having full counter, it leads me to believe the third one would as well!
The only problem being that he doesn't... but, if he originally did and that was what it was replaced by that would make sense.
 

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Dude what? Meliodas was able to overpower both Dolor and Gloxinia - just how much does his strength increase when he uses his demonic mark?
Zeldris is apparently the strongest, eh? Estarossa is the strongest physically, but it's to be expected that his magic stat would be lower, since Full Counter seems to have it like that.

Galan was almost dead, lol.
I'd say meliodas stats using his demon power would be something like this

Magic : 3700 Strength : 46,200 Spirirt : 2100
Total : 52,000.
 

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Second, and much more plot relevant - Estarossa has the ability to convert people into demons. Should he really die at Escanor's hand and be returned to Purgatory then there is a certain chance that the demon king takes advantage of that situation and has him transform Meliodas back into a demon.
I'm not sure about this ability of his. In theory all demons should be able to convert other beings into their own simply by getting them to ingest their blood. We saw this with Hendys experiments on the new gen HK and even Hendy himself so I'm not that inclined to believe this is an ability unique to esta. Unless this ability of his is more potent/gas permanent effects/ or is anabled via a different mechanism then I wouldn't consider this all that great tbh. I mean what he did to that bird could've been because of this ability but he did the same to ban but the latter never turned demon or anything (not that the bird did either) he just exploded. Also, what about his shared dream with Elizabeth? If that's not some hidden ability of his then how would you explain that?
 

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I'd say meliodas stats using his demon power would be something like this

Magic : 3700 Strength : 46,200 Spirirt : 2100
Total : 52,000.
He was able to overpower both Dolor and Gloxinia, who have 54,000 and 50,000 respectively.
 

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I'd say meliodas stats using his demon power would be something like this

Magic : 3700 Strength : 46,200 Spirirt : 2100
Total : 52,000.
I agree, with that!
I'd say his spirit is not all that high anymore because his prime power is not his own and he does not like it all that much, but, i would assume that he would get a HUGE magic boost when he comes back in prime and might even have more magic than Zeldris, more strength than Esta and more spirit than both.
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He was able to overpower both Dolor and Gloxinia, who have 54,000 and 50,000 respectively.
After they got surprised by Escanor's attack, somwhat weakened and were probably not a full power at the time (i would expect them to be now though).
Not to mention, Gowther pointed out he was only ever fighting them in 1 vs 1 and with his assumed strength being higher than dolor and Glox's he would have been able to damage them none the less.
 

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I agree, with that!
I'd say his spirit is not all that high anymore because his prime power is not his own and he does not like it all that much, but, i would assume that he would get a HUGE magic boost when he comes back in prime and might even have more magic than Zeldris, more strength than Esta and more spirit than both.
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After they got surprised by Escanor's attack, somwhat weakened and were probably not a full power at the time (i would expect them to be now though).
Not to mention, Gowther pointed out he was only ever fighting them in 1 vs 1 and with his assumed strength being higher than dolor and Glox's he would have been able to damage them none the less.
Even when Dolor and Gloxinia were healed by Moon Rose, implying they were at full strength, he was able to take them out in two or three hits (Dolor was weakened when Meliodas wrecked him with his 32,500). He even kicked Dolor to the face and he dropped on his knees, whereas Dolor's attacks didn't even manage to do much to him.
 

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About the PLs BTW, Dolor being 54K doesn't mean that he is stronger than all the others besides Zel and Estarossa. Their abilities matter and some are close to him in terms of PL. Estarossa could also be stronger than Zeldris, the difference is minimal but now that we know all of this, I think (like most of you now probably) Zeldris is the stronger one.
 

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what about his shared dream with Elizabeth? If that's not some hidden ability of his then how would you explain that?
Im starting to belive it was not estarossa
In that dream she forgot about meliodas and the saw his poster and then imagined him ?
 

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Even when Dolor and Gloxinia were healed by Moon Rose, implying they were at full strength, he was able to take them out in two or three hits (Dolor was weakened when Meliodas wrecked him with his 32,500). He even kicked Dolor to the face and he dropped on his knees, whereas Dolor's attacks didn't even manage to do much to him.
Well, they did manage to damage him... although, it could be argued they were pulling their punches or maybe waiting for the other commandments. It could even be that they were both unwilling to kill Meliodas and thus attacked him haphazardly because they did not want Estarossa to kill them?
I mean, the dude was fine with killing Merascylla if Ban did not do it. Also, if they did take the fight seriously, like i mentioned he only ever took them on 1 vs 1... the two never really tag teamed Meliodas with attacks, though they did manage to help each other out.
 

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Did anyone notice that Monspiet's magic is "Trick Star", which is probably the magic version of Derrierie's "Combo Star"? I doubt they're siblings since he was blushing a while back, but they seem pretty close.
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Well, they did manage to damage him... although, it could be argued they were pulling their punches or maybe waiting for the other commandments. It could even be that they were both unwilling to kill Meliodas and thus attacked him haphazardly because they did not want Estarossa to kill them?
I mean, the dude was fine with killing Merascylla if Ban did not do it. Also, if they did take the fight seriously, like i mentioned he only ever took them on 1 vs 1... the two never really tag teamed Meliodas with attacks, though they did manage to help each other out.
To me it seemed like Meliodas was the one pulling the punches, not them.
They could not tag-team him because Meliodas did not allow it. He kept incapacitating one and then going to the other, until both went down.

As for the damage, it was minimal. Meliodas was mostly tired, not damaged.
 

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I'm not sure about this ability of his. In theory all demons should be able to convert other beings into their own simply by getting them to ingest their blood. We saw this with Hendys experiments on the new gen HK and even Hendy himself so I'm not that inclined to believe this is an ability unique to esta. Unless this ability of his is more potent/gas permanent effects/ or is anabled via a different mechanism then I wouldn't consider this all that great tbh. I mean what he did to that bird could've been because of this ability but he did the same to ban but the latter never turned demon or anything (not that the bird did either) he just exploded. Also, what about his shared dream with Elizabeth? If that's not some hidden ability of his then how would you explain that?
From what I observed they're two different abilities. The first one is the ability to turn things to a demon and the second is to make things explode.
After the estarossa turned the bird to a demon the bird didn't explode until estarossa told it to shutup after it was making noise similar to ban.
 

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King tried to make him do it, but, Gowther refused... Meliodas couldn't tell him to because they got separated. The only way i see Gowther returning Diane's memories in a sincere way is if Escanor or Merlin asks or offers something in exchange for that.
I mean, it's not like nobody has tried... and at Liones 1 month ago, we don't know what happened... but, i get the feeling that their time together was short and he did not return what he took. (What if he can't btw?)
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Or maybe using his ability makes up for his lack of physical strength when his magic is quite high???
Then he still gets wrecked or changed his body back into a blob to mostly tank Meliodas's attack?
He's got a pretty balanced physical magic split so I don't think that's the issue. It could honestly be the latter like his ability just gives him an edge in terms or evasiveness, durability, and possibly speed.
 

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Did anyone notice that Monspiet's magic is "Trick Star", which is probably the magic version of Derrierie's "Combo Star"? I doubt they're siblings since he was blushing a while back, but they seem pretty close.
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To me it seemed like Meliodas was the one pulling the punches, not them.
They could not tag-team him because Meliodas did not allow it. He kept incapacitating one and then going to the other, until both went down.
Maybe Monspiet x Derrierie will get married and have a child called Black Star :teehee:teehee:teehee
Despite that, the fight seemed peculiar for any of them to have a huge advanatage over the other and based on the situation, it's almost like Meliodas had decided to kill them and they could not have cared less. They really just survived that fight, but, i understand your point of it being weird that they should be so weak compared to base Mel/not prime Mel.
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He's got a pretty balanced physical magic split so I don't think that's the issue. It could honestly be the latter like his ability just gives him an edge in terms or evasiveness, durability, and possibly speed.
Maybe, but, i'd love to see the fight between Zaratras and Fraudrin to save Gilthunder :D
where we get to see Fraudrin come out of his body and actually fight seriously only to be beaten by say Hendy with a surprise attack :D
 
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