Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

That's because Juvia saved Gray from the death with her Blood Transfusion Magic. Are you really going to keep up ignoring manga facts?

So I guess Natsu can defeat Wall without using magic? Do you actually know what you sound like now?

Yeah just ignore my whole argument, what a debating skills.

So according to you Neinhart's Wind Magic is > Historia of Corpses?



Dude..

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Who says Ajeel is standing in the area where Natsu uses a spell?

@Axiomus @Shoutmon @Lexusflame You three have no right to call me biased as long as you can't refute the arguments of my statement that Natsu isn't a Spriggan tier.

So just stfu.

1) Is Juvia dead? Is Gray dead? Is Ice Lock broken? Ice Lock can be broken without either of the two participants dying.
2) Wall himelf? No. Wall's weakness bots? Yes.
3) Yes, Neinhart's wind magic > what his Historia of Corpses can do. You need look no further than the type of damage Neinhart is doing against Brandish and Natsu versus the type of damage God Serena's Historia did.
4) That was back in the Tartarus arc, back when Natsu couldn't free himself from Silver's ice. Now Natsu can free himself from Invel's ice, which is colder.
5) Natsu's attacks are large enough to encompass the GMG, which itself can house a city. If Natsu can hear Ajeel talking, chances are he can hit him with an AoE. And Natsu has pretty good hearing.

Spoiler: Natsu's hearing range

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Please explain to me why Neinhart is restricted against Natsu, but not Jellal. It's not as if Jellal faced any of Neinhart's historia either. Even Simon was taken out by Kagura. The truth of the matter is, Neinhart wasn't restricted against Natsu. He was enhanced. Also, you still haven't explained why Gray, Jellal, or Laxus would do better against Age Seal, transport + stealth, ice lock, or sand world? You consistently downplay Natsu because he doesn't have a counter against these hax abilities, but you've never explained why other characters would be able to counter them.

 

[Char]

Again, Brandish has NOTHING to do with this. Replace Brandish with Juvia here and we could have an argument.

Although most of our discussion has to do with comparing Lucy and Juvia, I was exclusively talking about Urano Metria here and its effects on Brandish. I don't know why you don't want to argue about it as a separate thing, but alright.

But you see, I need proof that it expanded past its original state. As of now I see no reason to believe it.

Proof... well I can only give you my interpretation of the situation and the panel. IMO the AoE of the attack redirected by Brandish was bigger, but if you want to believe Brandish compressed it for the sake of compressing it, then only redirected it at its original size, that's another possible explanation. I get the feeling there's more water when Brandish throws it at Lucy but I can't say for sure.

If someone bypasses her water body then her durability has to come into play, and it has never shown to be overly high.

I concede.

The fact that they could even commit suicide indicates that they still had control of their bodies, to some extent.

I don't understand why it necessarily has to be that they "still" had control, and not that they somehow regained control, even when they had been mashing each other rather beastly.

Gray injures Invel and Invel uses Ice Lock. We don't know how the fight would have gone without it but one thing is for sure, Gray had the upper hand right before Ice Lock was used.

Only one of Gray's attacks hurt Invel, and it was because the latter was not on guard, since Gray had just powered up to his DeS mode. As soon as Invel understood he had to get a little bit more serious, Gray was powerless.

I strongly recommend that you read the chapter(s) again, so that you see that Gray was being beaten badly, especially in base mode, but also in DeS mode. Only one attack of Gray's was effective, and it was because Invel was careless/didn't expect the powerup.

Sure it does. Bloodlust heightens the users stats to their limits, its what brings out their full power.

Not for everyone. Bloodlust may be a negative factor given that the mind is usually too biased, nerves, anxiety, etc. come into play and the battle style may even get sloppy and imprecisse. I understand it works like that with characters like Gray or Jellal, but I still cannot accept such a massive gap between morals off Gray and bloodlusted Gray. The gap is just too big: from being utterly defeated to being massively superior.

Feelings being power is not the same thing as feelings breaking the limits of your own power. TO makes you surpass your current limits by giving you realized potential, POF doesn't do anything like that. At best POF heightens your power to their CURRENT limits (note that I am saying current, not potential).

It depends on how you interpret things. Is it reasonable for you that Gray went from being a 5 (Invel being a 7) to being a 9? Does bloodlust increase this power that much? Because then bloodlusted Glidartz may be above Acnologia (I'm exaggerating, but you know what I mean). For me, this was clearly a powerup Gray received, not him just being bloodlusted.

Natsu was bloodlusted before. Against Mard, he was bloodlusted and he actually managed to enter DF mode. Bloodlust "lead" to a powerup, a visible powerup (DF). For Gray, there is no visible powerup as in a visible mode as such, other than his hair being spiky, but I think it's something similar to that. What's more, Natsu was being trashed by Mard Geer, and in DF he was not being trashed but he still couldn't beat him. However, in this case, Gray went from being trashed to being massively superior. In my interpretation, this is a powerup, an asspull powerup which justifies the fact that Natsu can casually oneshot certain spriggans now. IMO it was an excuse to make Gray as strong as he needs to be: as strong as Natsu, so that a plausible fight between them in the future is doable.

You could train with someone who is vastly superior to you. Acnologia could train with Romeo if he wanted to, I don't see why any gap in power would prevent that. Its not like they trained by fighting each other with intent to kill.

If he did, Romeo would probably improve vastly, but Acnologia would stay the same. Gray improved though, which proves Juvia was not a hindrance for him; the gap between them mustn't have been massive.

Base Gray at full power is vastly above Juvia at full power.

In my opinion, no. I have more facts than you do to prove so: they fought when they were being controlled and their fight only proved that Gray was superior to her, but not by a huge margin. The Gray that defeated Invel is another gray, an unprecedented Gray. Base bloodlusted Gray >> DeS Gray; Base bloodlusted Gray is even superior or equal to DF Gajeel which was the DF mode of Gajeel in the current arc... I mean, does it make sense to you, that bloodlusted BASE Gray is as powerful as bloodlusted DF Gajeel? It does not to me. To me is clear asspull. I respect your opinion but respect mine and please, don't say "then everything is asspull" because it's not. There are things which within the nonsense of this manga still make some sense, and there are things which don't.

How was Gray powerless? Can you show me where Invel makes Gray powerless when he activates DeS?

I recommend that you re-read their fight. Chapter 499, page 9. When Invel says "You've got my attention" is when Gray is no longer capable of landing a hit on Invel, and where Invel's superiority is made evident. That page exemplifies pretty much what I'm trying to convey: from the fact that Gray's attack didn't hurt Invel, to the fact that Invel could reutilize his ice in order to create an icestorm, their faces (Gray was surprised and caught unaware at Invel's performance, he probably understood his attack was futile and he probably understood he was powerless, whereas Invel's face tells me "your techniques won't work on me"). Sadly this is proof enough for me to understand that Invel > DeS Gray; however, right after that comes Ice Lock, but I still think no more is necessary to prove what I'm trying to say: DeS Gray could'nt have beaten Invel.

If Gray did not have the resistance factor then he would have outright lost. Invel doesn't have resistance to Grays magic, he simply overpowered it with his own magic (which is also basically ice).

Considering Invel can use Gray's ice as if it were his, I think this is having 'resistance' to Gray, as in, his magic is not only wasted (because it can't hurt invel) but it is also reutilized by him.

He can pass through Water Slicer because of how thin it is. An attack that covers the entirety of his MBP body makes it so that he cannot avoid it.

Ok I guess that's a proper interpretation.

Sure she did. This very chapter. She attacks, Brandish kicks her away. She goes back in CQC with Scorpios help and gets multiple hits in, Brandish shrinks her and she goes Cancer and cuts her up some more, Brandish reverts her back to OG size and she hits her with a magic spell.

Well, Brandish stopped that kick and kicked her away... Scorpio outsped Brandish (probably because Brandish let that happen). If you consider this overwhelming her, we have different concepts for the word overwhelming. The mini cancer Lucy cutting her must've felt like bee stings at most...

Lucy won two CQC exchanges while Brandish won one.

In my interpretation, Brandish didn't lose anything because she was not fighting seriously; but even if I were to concede that she indeed lost to two cqc exchanges, Brandish also won the Taurus one. Just see the efficacy by which she stops Lucy's kick and kicks her away. Brandish is like: what's even that kick?

Yeah I definitely disagree but thats for another debate. In regards to CQC, Gajeel was not doing much better.

The second panel shows that they were fighting CQC and are clearly an even match. Plus, Bradman is overwhelming Rogue and Rogue is no slouch in CQC.

I might need to read that chapter again, you're probably right.

Why would NLF affect his intangibility? Thats like saying Acno would be able to see Jacob because of NLF Stealth.

Maybe he would. Or he couldn't use stealth on him. Brandish couldn't use her haxy magic against enhanced Neinheart after all. NLF must apply here, otherwise characters like Brandish, Dimaria or even Jacob could kill Acnologia. And we know it's not like that.

Thats not really true. Ishgar has at least a handful of Spriggan level characters themselves and at least two of their former residence (Irene and Serena) left them for Alvarez. Plus Alvarez has a lot more people in it by nature so naturally more strong characters would appear among them. Its moreso the fact that GoI aren't the strongest characters in Ishgar.

That is another thing that doesn't make much sense to me. So the WS tier was a tier because it took into account a few mages whose power was tremendous, which may cause a catastrophe upon clashing. Then it turns out that WS tier is utter crap if compared to Spriggan tier. WS, more particularly GoI, was the tier which was supposed to encompass the strongest mages of the continent; yet it turns out that guild children were more powerful than them.

How can it be that Glidartz, Laxus, Natsu or Gray are all more powerful than Hyberion, the second strongest known mage of a continent, after a year of training? We do have the Jura basis to compare: the GoI were above GMG Jura, who was similar to GMG Laxus; yet Laxus in one year has gone from Jura level (below GoI) to spriggan tier (above the GoI). Laxus is, automatically, one of the strongest mages of a continent, but his improvement has occurred in one year.

It's everything borderline believable, don't you think?

We have no proof that Irene was formerly an Ishgar citizen, but it's also likely she gained her powers upon reaching Alvarez. Also, God Serena is a good example of this: the strongest former mage of Ishgar can compare to 11 other mages who are equal or superior to him in another continent. It is as if now, Europe suddenly had 11 people who could run as fast or faster than Usain Bolt...

Is the number of Alvarez's inhabitants known? Fiore alone had 5 million inhabitants, and it is a country of Ishgar...

 

[lakhan220]

Show me when Natsu soloed a Spriggan at his or hers full potential and we can talk further.

Show me the SPRIGGAN was not at full power.....Show me LESSIO was restricted ? Show me the actual proof of that which says LESSIO was restricted there ?

You're clearly in denial here mang. Neinhart was restricted because the three Historia Spriggans he summoned AFFECTED his magical output. Since he used Historia of Corpses at its full potential, he wasn't able to use it against Natsu during their fight thus he had to use his secondary magic. So Neinhart WAS restricted and you can deny it what you want, but it's just a solid fact.

And if you're really that blind to understand, I'll give you the evidence you want so badly.

Spoiler

Keep that non-sense theory out......Show me actual proof where NEINHART said he is weaker just like before & it is taking the toll on his body..Not that panel before enhncement.........

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http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/500/19
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/500/20
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/500/22

NEINHART said his powers were enhanced ...If his powers were made much stronger than his actual magic , then basically NATSU was fighting NEINHART with more power than his previous self......

The confirmations are by RANDI & the man himself....

Show me proof in panels to NEINHART actually admitting that it was still toll on him like before being enhanced...Show me the panel after enhancement of NEINHART's admittance....

I take RANDI's & NEINHART's words that he was made much stronger than before.......Show me the proof he still was weaker to hide behind those 3.....

Show me the actual proof .....

Did you seriously said Natsu can burn through Ice Lock with his body heat? Do you even understand the capabilities of Ice Lock?

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It can only be disabled once the victim dies. And if you're still not convinced, then why didn't Juvia use her water body to escape it?

Exactly what is Natsu's body heat going to do about Transport? Natsu would be teleported to another dimension even before he enters FDKM.

Show me the proof NATSU can't melt that ICE LOCK.......I will give u the proof.........

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http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/498/16

On what basis are u saying that the lock can't be beaten by NATSU's heat ? When actually ice was melted by NATSU........

INVEL's ice lock was broken with 2 live creatures coming out of it.....SHOW me the proof that an actual death is the only counter.....

Don't give me INVEL's words........Then GRAY & JUVIA would be dead....I don't want "he thought" , "should be" , "would be" , "mistaken".........actual proof of someone dead....And if u don't remember JUVIA was not even close to death leave aside dying.......

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http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/500/26

Give me the proof where only death have broken that spell......ACTUAL deaths...

Weakness can't be countered in a solo fight. If necessary Wall will create bots who use Dispell Magic.

LUCY countered her magic weakness by summoning GEMINI to increase her spell power....for URANO METORIA.......Weakness countered
WENDY increased the spell of CHELIA's magic power in order to increase the effect thus escaping from the spell......

LAXUS beat WAHL solely.......Yes , u can include the fact that FREED 's spell had a apart in it.......Then don't forget the fact LAXUS was not at his 100 %......

GRAY countered the weakness in a solo fight against ULTEAR ......her time-arc .....Weakness of GRAY was countered by him in a solo fight.......

NATSU countered his weakness against ELIGOR , TOTOMARU & a lot of characters....

LUCY countered her weakness of being small by converting in to CANCER dress & harming RANDI.....

There are lot of panels where I can show u how the weakness was converted in to strengths........U call it BS.....This is how then ur definition comes.....

Show me one actual proof where FT member had lost due to the weakness in a solo fight...........and , show me the proof of NATSU actually loosing the fight due to that weakness & then was hurt or was not able to get up.....or practically lost.....

The actual panel.....not some random tagging or anything else.....NATSU & FT defeated due to that weakness....ONE proof.

Neinhart isn't stronger than his historias, that's nonsense. His own combat feats are not even more impressive than Base Wendy's.

Show me the proof his actual feats are not impressive than BASE WENDY's.....One actual proof of admittance by any character or some comparison or any thing........I will give u the proof....I did it above......RANDI was not able to even use magic on enhanced NEINHART.....

RANDI >>>>Base WENDY....

Show me the proof comparing NEINHART is weaker than WENDY.......Oh , sorry ...BASE WENDY....

Bloodman will use Tenchi Kaimei and Natsu won't even be able to use a spell. This isn't even debatable.

Natsu ain't going to destroy Sandworld. Show me a spell of Natsu which has an AoE as high as Magnolia.

NATSU burned the lake while fighting LESSIO..not at full power....NATSU destroyed ZEREF's curse...Let's leave that aside.
NATSU burnt INVEL's ice.....The proof is above......

Show me the proof that NATSU can't burn that MAGIC particles.......Show me the proof that NATSU can't survive that dimension shifting.....

I will tell u.....NATSU was the only one who teleported through the actual CS world hanging on to VIRGO without any CS clothes.....
Show me the proof that a man who is capable of teleporting & coming bthrough the CS world without any harm can't come out of that so called attack.....Show me the proof that NATSU's flames can't burn BRADMAN....Show me the proof that BRADMAN will get a chance to use that curse.....

Show me the actual proof that NATSu can't use DF like GAJEEL...Show me the proof that NATSU's flame can't harm BRADMAN as Flames are not physical but elemental......NATSU has shown feats again & again by absorbing elements to gain DF....Show me the proof that he won't be able to do that against BRADMAN

Show me the actual proof in panels / links that this fight will be lost by NATSU........ANd all the claims that u have made......

As for AOE......

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http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/423/9
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/423/10
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/434/16 The people remarked that the town is being conered by that giant...
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/6
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/10
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/15
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/16...He started using IGNEEL's flames afterwards.......IGNORING that what do u want for a MAGNOLIA tier ? The whole army marching from NORTHERN FIORE was annihilated by a single breath

Also the lake melting during fighting LESSIO.....

If u want to argue further , prove me the exact AOE of MAGNOLIA.....The others comparison , if u want to do it..prove me in literal terms the power , strength the AOE , the radius , the blast , the effect...Specify each terms regarding AOE.....Then tell me.....

I want no vague terms.....If u want to take this further , challenge accepted.

Still not convinced. Natsu isn't going to beat a single Spriggan.

You can call me biased for saying Natsu isn't Spriggan tier but you didn't show me any evidence that he is LOL.

Laxus, Jellal and Gray are proven Spriggan tier because they soloed one who wasn't holding back....

Prove me the term RESTRICTED SPRIGGAN......What is it ? What does MASHIMA means ? Where has he described ?
Which opponents LESSIO or NEINHART after being enhanced said they are restricted ?
Show me the panels of the term RESTRICTED ? How were they restricted ? What was restricted ? How did it effect them ? What if not ? Why were they ? When did they admit ?

I don't want assumptions like the so & so called theory.....

Show me the panels & prove terms restricted........

This is called nothing but a delusion......trying to ignore the feat......

ACCEPT it or not NATSU is a SPRIGANN leevel.

He took out restricted Spriggans, yes. So he is portrayed to be restricted Spriggan tier.



Scroll up and see my proof. Or just read the flawless post of @Takuan.



UNBIASED HE SAID.

@Axiomus @atomic_2000 @natsulucy @Shoutmon and @Lexusflame are aware of what they r doing.....Ur post is based on nothing but some built up so called story..........

SCROLL up & see for the proofs & counter for ur questions........

As for @Takuan , he explained what u meant..........He also said he accepted NATSU to be a SPRIGGAN level.......

As for his explaination of what u r trying to tell , Ur just assumptions & no feat...Assumptions of so called never happening fights , assumptions of so called never happening spells , assumptions of so called never spoken / used / described words "RESTRICTED' , assumptions regarding NEINHART & his powers lower than WENDY....Assumptions regarding the BOTS & intertwining the words , assumptions that have no logical or conclusional proof...Assumptions regarding NATSU's feats & strong refusal even though the AUTHOR himself is suggesting through other characters , Intertwining of the so called words & making the post where not even a single feat or strength is considered , strong denial & hatred for the MC is being depicted here

JELLAL used GC to beat NEINHART........And , NATSU KOed NEINHART...

Show me the proof enhanced NEINHART was weaker than before ? Show me the proof of his actually admitting that he was at full power when JELLAL defeated him but when NATSU defeated him , he was not.....

I have shown u the actual proof where NEINHART admitted...SHOW me the proof where he said he is still weaker than when JELLY defeated him....

This is what ur post on scrolling above & reading @Takuan 's interpretation of ur post tell..

Explain the term "POTRAYED"......How do u range their powers :> What was potrayed ? How ? WHY ?
What does it mean ? What exactly POTRAYED SPRIGANN is ?
Where is it suggested this term of "POTRAYED levels" ?

I have used words , panels , feats , the including of the support of strong characters admitting his strengths & deeming him as threat........

COME back to me whwn u have all the answers along with the required proof .....I will take on the challenge......'

SO , whether u deny it or accept it , like it or dislike it , want it or don't want it , desire or wish or no desires....THIS is the fact

NATSU is a SPRIGANN LEVEL.

 

[Jko]

Although most of our discussion has to do with comparing Lucy and Juvia, I was exclusively talking about Urano Metria here and its effects on Brandish. I don't know why you don't want to argue about it as a separate thing, but alright.



Proof... well I can only give you my interpretation of the situation and the panel. IMO the AoE of the attack redirected by Brandish was bigger, but if you want to believe Brandish compressed it for the sake of compressing it, then only redirected it at its original size, that's another possible explanation. I get the feeling there's more water when Brandish throws it at Lucy but I can't say for sure.



I concede.



I don't understand why it necessarily has to be that they "still" had control, and not that they somehow regained control, even when they had been mashing each other rather beastly.



Only one of Gray's attacks hurt Invel, and it was because the latter was not on guard, since Gray had just powered up to his DeS mode. As soon as Invel understood he had to get a little bit more serious, Gray was powerless.

I strongly recommend that you read the chapter(s) again, so that you see that Gray was being beaten badly, especially in base mode, but also in DeS mode. Only one attack of Gray's was effective, and it was because Invel was careless/didn't expect the powerup.



Not for everyone. Bloodlust may be a negative factor given that the mind is usually too biased, nerves, anxiety, etc. come into play and the battle style may even get sloppy and imprecisse. I understand it works like that with characters like Gray or Jellal, but I still cannot accept such a massive gap between morals off Gray and bloodlusted Gray. The gap is just too big: from being utterly defeated to being massively superior.



It depends on how you interpret things. Is it reasonable for you that Gray went from being a 5 (Invel being a 7) to being a 9? Does bloodlust increase this power that much? Because then bloodlusted Glidartz may be above Acnologia (I'm exaggerating, but you know what I mean). For me, this was clearly a powerup Gray received, not him just being bloodlusted.

Natsu was bloodlusted before. Against Mard, he was bloodlusted and he actually managed to enter DF mode. Bloodlust "lead" to a powerup, a visible powerup (DF). For Gray, there is no visible powerup as in a visible mode as such, other than his hair being spiky, but I think it's something similar to that. What's more, Natsu was being trashed by Mard Geer, and in DF he was not being trashed but he still couldn't beat him. However, in this case, Gray went from being trashed to being massively superior. In my interpretation, this is a powerup, an asspull powerup which justifies the fact that Natsu can casually oneshot certain spriggans now. IMO it was an excuse to make Gray as strong as he needs to be: as strong as Natsu, so that a plausible fight between them in the future is doable.



If he did, Romeo would probably improve vastly, but Acnologia would stay the same. Gray improved though, which proves Juvia was not a hindrance for him; the gap between them mustn't have been massive.



In my opinion, no. I have more facts than you do to prove so: they fought when they were being controlled and their fight only proved that Gray was superior to her, but not by a huge margin. The Gray that defeated Invel is another gray, an unprecedented Gray. Base bloodlusted Gray >> DeS Gray; Base bloodlusted Gray is even superior or equal to DF Gajeel which was the DF mode of Gajeel in the current arc... I mean, does it make sense to you, that bloodlusted BASE Gray is as powerful as bloodlusted DF Gajeel? It does not to me. To me is clear asspull. I respect your opinion but respect mine and please, don't say "then everything is asspull" because it's not. There are things which within the nonsense of this manga still make some sense, and there are things which don't.



I recommend that you re-read their fight. Chapter 499, page 9. When Invel says "You've got my attention" is when Gray is no longer capable of landing a hit on Invel, and where Invel's superiority is made evident. That page exemplifies pretty much what I'm trying to convey: from the fact that Gray's attack didn't hurt Invel, to the fact that Invel could reutilize his ice in order to create an icestorm, their faces (Gray was surprised and caught unaware at Invel's performance, he probably understood his attack was futile and he probably understood he was powerless, whereas Invel's face tells me "your techniques won't work on me"). Sadly this is proof enough for me to understand that Invel > DeS Gray; however, right after that comes Ice Lock, but I still think no more is necessary to prove what I'm trying to say: DeS Gray could'nt have beaten Invel.



Considering Invel can use Gray's ice as if it were his, I think this is having 'resistance' to Gray, as in, his magic is not only wasted (because it can't hurt invel) but it is also reutilized by him.



Ok I guess that's a proper interpretation.



Well, Brandish stopped that kick and kicked her away... Scorpio outsped Brandish (probably because Brandish let that happen). If you consider this overwhelming her, we have different concepts for the word overwhelming. The mini cancer Lucy cutting her must've felt like bee stings at most...



In my interpretation, Brandish didn't lose anything because she was fighting seriously; but even if I were to concede that she indeed lost to two cqc exchanges, Brandish also won the Taurus one. Just see the efficacy by which she stops Lucy's kick and kicks her away. Brandish is like: what's even that kick?



I might need to read that chapter again, you're probably right.



Maybe he would. Or he couldn't use stealth on him. Brandish couldn't use her haxy magic against enhanced Neinheart after all. NLF must apply here, otherwise characters like Brandish, Dimaria or even Jacob could kill Acnologia. And we know it's not like that.



That is another thing that doesn't make much sense to me. So the WS tier was a tier because it took into account a few mages whose power was tremendous, which may cause a catastrophe upon clashing. Then it turns out that WS tier is utter crap if compared to Spriggan tier. WS, more particularly GoI, was the tier which was supposed to encompass the strongest mages of the continent; yet it turns out that guild children were more powerful than them.

How can it be that Glidartz, Laxus, Natsu or Gray are all more powerful than Hyberion, the second strongest known mage of a continent, after a year of training? We do have the Jura basis to compare: the GoI were above GMG Jura, who was similar to GMG Laxus; yet Laxus in one year has gone from Jura level (below GoI) to spriggan tier (above the GoI). Laxus is, automatically, one of the strongest mages of a continent, but his improvement has occurred in one year.

It's everything borderline believable, don't you think?

We have no proof that Irene was formerly an Ishgar citizen, but it's also likely she gained her powers upon reaching Alvarez. Also, God Serena is a good example of this: the strongest former mage of Ishgar can compare to 11 other mages who are equal or superior to him in another continent. It is as if now, Europe suddenly had 11 people who could run as fast or faster than Usain Bolt...

Is the number of Alvarez's inhabitants known? Fiore alone had 5 million inhabitants, and it is a country of Ishgar...

@Char you're right with Randi shooting back a bigger Aqua Metria at Lucy. She did say she magnified the attack.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Is this really a question.....really? Is Natsu Spriggan level? Is fire hot? I's water transparent? Do we need oxygen to breathe? The answer to all of them are the same.

 

[Hermit]

Is this really a question.....really? Is Natsu Spriggan level? Is fire hot? I's water transparent? Do we need oxygen to breathe? The answer to all of them are the same.

But is Crimson Lightning Ice an asspull or not?>.>
I think I abuse this joke now lol

 

[Raven]

Natsu
Gildarts
Laxus
Gray/Gajeel
Erza
Mira
Wendy
Sting/Rogue
Cobra
Juvia/Lucy
Minerva
Yukino

August
Irene
Larcade
God Serena
Dimaria
Wall
Ajeel
Jacob
Enhanced Neinhart
Brandish
Invel/Bloodman

 

[Woodenstool]

Well I've got to disagree here. With Jacob, Natsu held back for a lot of the fight but as we saw once he was serious it only took one attack in FDKM to do a large amount of damage to Jacob. Yes, the fight had some plot involved, I won't deny that but one serious hit is all it took to put Jacob away. Its basically the same with Neinhart. This time Natsu hit him twice, but only once was a proper magical attack which didn't even have a name. Clearly from what we've seen, Natsu is on a Spriggan level when it comes to attack power like that. Sure, the Spriggans he's fought may not have had the best durability but he's still been able to put them away with a couple of serious hits which you cannot ignore. If Jellal is considered Spriggan tier because he defeat Neinhart with a charged Grand Chariot, then why isn't Natsu considered Spriggan tier when he literally defeated Neinhart with two punches?

Jellal is casual about it, don't say he was sweating because he just came out of the ocean and nearly drowned.

Ever think where's Laxus, Cobra, Jellal, Gildarts at right now?

They all got teleported away and written away to make the story interesting. Alvarez lost the war as soon as Laxus dropped an atom bomb and now Gildarts, Jellal, and Cobra are here it's game over.

Laxus nuke, Jellals GC, Gildarts punch can take out a million soliders instantly. Laxus can totally take on August if he isn't nerfed, same goes for Cobra, Gildarts, Jellal. Isghar has the real powerhouse monsters, not Alvarez.

Dimarias magic means nothing if she's caught in Laxus nuke or Cema. Natsu has to go all out to take out a spriggan, you think he bust out multiple demo fist? No, he can't. He'll be tired after 3 and I guarantee you they aren't as strong as the one used against the God of war.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 14, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 14, 2016 ---

Natsu
Gildarts
Laxus
Gray/Gajeel
Erza
Mira
Wendy
Sting/Rogue
Cobra
Juvia/Lucy
Minerva
Yukino

August
Irene
Larcade
God Serena
Dimaria
Wall
Ajeel
Jacob
Enhanced Neinhart
Brandish
Invel/Bloodman

Did you seriously put Natsu over Laxus and Gildarts?
Gildarts and Laxus would stomp Natsu.

 

[Ebony Maw]

NATSU burned the lake while fighting LESSIO..not at full power....NATSU destroyed ZEREF's curse...Let's leave that aside.
NATSU burnt INVEL's ice.....The proof is above......

Natsu only destroyed Zeref's Magic and Curses when he was powered by Igneel, aside from that he hasn't been shown to be able to burn through curses.

Show me the proof that NATSU can't burn that MAGIC particles.......

Burden of proof is on you my friend, you shouldn't ask people to prove negatives. I'll reverse the question, what makes you believe that non-Igneel powered Natsu can burn MBP's?

Show me the proof that NATSU's flames can't burn BRADMAN....Show me the proof that BRADMAN will get a chance to use that curse.....

All Bradman has to do is go Third Seal and then use Tenchi Kamei, it floods surprisingly swiftly, after which Natsu won't be able to use fire. On top of this he could just use the Sensation Curse to rip Natsu's senses away, Enhancement to keep growing stronger, Macro to control Natsu or use Absorption and his MBP body to mitigate any damage.

Show me the actual proof that NATSu can't use DF like GAJEEL...Show me the proof that NATSU's flame can't harm BRADMAN as Flames are not physical but elemental......

As I said above, while flames won't be stopped by Bradman's MBP body he has the Absorption Curse so he can simply steal the souls of any spells Natsu uses against him.

As for DF, that's a tough call to make as we have no idea how powerful his current Dragon Force is. Even then, the only reason Gajeel could affect Bradman whilst in Dragon Force was because he altered the properties of his magic by eating the MBP's, something that would likely be fatal (or at least severely detrimental) for Natsu.

NATSU has shown feats again & again by absorbing elements to gain DF....Show me the proof that he won't be able to do that against BRADMAN

Well Natsu wouldn't go Dragon Force by eating MBP's as they don't have any excess fire in them, all it would do is hasten his death. Also the burden of proof is on you again, you have to show that Natsu would be able to eat a large amount of MBP's and continue fighting.

 

[Woodenstool]

Show me the SPRIGGAN was not at full power.....Show me LESSIO was restricted ? Show me the actual proof of that which says LESSIO was restricted there ?





Keep that non-sense theory out......Show me actual proof where NEINHART said he is weaker just like before & it is taking the toll on his body..Not that panel before enhncement.........

Spoiler

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/500/19
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/500/20
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/500/22

NEINHART said his powers were enhanced ...If his powers were made much stronger than his actual magic , then basically NATSU was fighting NEINHART with more power than his previous self......

The confirmations are by RANDI & the man himself....

Show me proof in panels to NEINHART actually admitting that it was still toll on him like before being enhanced...Show me the panel after enhancement of NEINHART's admittance....

I take RANDI's & NEINHART's words that he was made much stronger than before.......Show me the proof he still was weaker to hide behind those 3.....

Show me the actual proof .....





Show me the proof NATSU can't melt that ICE LOCK.......I will give u the proof.........

Spoiler

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/498/16

On what basis are u saying that the lock can't be beaten by NATSU's heat ? When actually ice was melted by NATSU........

INVEL's ice lock was broken with 2 live creatures coming out of it.....SHOW me the proof that an actual death is the only counter.....

Don't give me INVEL's words........Then GRAY & JUVIA would be dead....I don't want "he thought" , "should be" , "would be" , "mistaken".........actual proof of someone dead....And if u don't remember JUVIA was not even close to death leave aside dying.......

Spoiler

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/500/26

Give me the proof where only death have broken that spell......ACTUAL deaths...




LUCY countered her magic weakness by summoning GEMINI to increase her spell power....for URANO METORIA.......Weakness countered
WENDY increased the spell of CHELIA's magic power in order to increase the effect thus escaping from the spell......

LAXUS beat WAHL solely.......Yes , u can include the fact that FREED 's spell had a apart in it.......Then don't forget the fact LAXUS was not at his 100 %......

GRAY countered the weakness in a solo fight against ULTEAR ......her time-arc .....Weakness of GRAY was countered by him in a solo fight.......

NATSU countered his weakness against ELIGOR , TOTOMARU & a lot of characters....

LUCY countered her weakness of being small by converting in to CANCER dress & harming RANDI.....

There are lot of panels where I can show u how the weakness was converted in to strengths........U call it BS.....This is how then ur definition comes.....

Show me one actual proof where FT member had lost due to the weakness in a solo fight...........and , show me the proof of NATSU actually loosing the fight due to that weakness & then was hurt or was not able to get up.....or practically lost.....

The actual panel.....not some random tagging or anything else.....NATSU & FT defeated due to that weakness....ONE proof.





Show me the proof his actual feats are not impressive than BASE WENDY's.....One actual proof of admittance by any character or some comparison or any thing........I will give u the proof....I did it above......RANDI was not able to even use magic on enhanced NEINHART.....

RANDI >>>>Base WENDY....

Show me the proof comparing NEINHART is weaker than WENDY.......Oh , sorry ...BASE WENDY....



NATSU burned the lake while fighting LESSIO..not at full power....NATSU destroyed ZEREF's curse...Let's leave that aside.
NATSU burnt INVEL's ice.....The proof is above......

Show me the proof that NATSU can't burn that MAGIC particles.......Show me the proof that NATSU can't survive that dimension shifting.....

I will tell u.....NATSU was the only one who teleported through the actual CS world hanging on to VIRGO without any CS clothes.....
Show me the proof that a man who is capable of teleporting & coming bthrough the CS world without any harm can't come out of that so called attack.....Show me the proof that NATSU's flames can't burn BRADMAN....Show me the proof that BRADMAN will get a chance to use that curse.....

Show me the actual proof that NATSu can't use DF like GAJEEL...Show me the proof that NATSU's flame can't harm BRADMAN as Flames are not physical but elemental......NATSU has shown feats again & again by absorbing elements to gain DF....Show me the proof that he won't be able to do that against BRADMAN

Show me the actual proof in panels / links that this fight will be lost by NATSU........ANd all the claims that u have made......

As for AOE......

Spoiler

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/423/9
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/423/10
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/434/16 The people remarked that the town is being conered by that giant...
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/6
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/10
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/15
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/463/16...He started using IGNEEL's flames afterwards.......IGNORING that what do u want for a MAGNOLIA tier ? The whole army marching from NORTHERN FIORE was annihilated by a single breath

Also the lake melting during fighting LESSIO.....

If u want to argue further , prove me the exact AOE of MAGNOLIA.....The others comparison , if u want to do it..prove me in literal terms the power , strength the AOE , the radius , the blast , the effect...Specify each terms regarding AOE.....Then tell me.....

I want no vague terms.....If u want to take this further , challenge accepted.



Prove me the term RESTRICTED SPRIGGAN......What is it ? What does MASHIMA means ? Where has he described ?
Which opponents LESSIO or NEINHART after being enhanced said they are restricted ?
Show me the panels of the term RESTRICTED ? How were they restricted ? What was restricted ? How did it effect them ? What if not ? Why were they ? When did they admit ?

I don't want assumptions like the so & so called theory.....

Show me the panels & prove terms restricted........

This is called nothing but a delusion......trying to ignore the feat......

ACCEPT it or not NATSU is a SPRIGANN leevel.



@Axiomus @atomic_2000 @natsulucy @Shoutmon and @Lexusflame are aware of what they r doing.....Ur post is based on nothing but some built up so called story..........

SCROLL up & see for the proofs & counter for ur questions........

As for @Takuan , he explained what u meant..........He also said he accepted NATSU to be a SPRIGGAN level.......

As for his explaination of what u r trying to tell , Ur just assumptions & no feat...Assumptions of so called never happening fights , assumptions of so called never happening spells , assumptions of so called never spoken / used / described words "RESTRICTED' , assumptions regarding NEINHART & his powers lower than WENDY....Assumptions regarding the BOTS & intertwining the words , assumptions that have no logical or conclusional proof...Assumptions regarding NATSU's feats & strong refusal even though the AUTHOR himself is suggesting through other characters , Intertwining of the so called words & making the post where not even a single feat or strength is considered , strong denial & hatred for the MC is being depicted here

JELLAL used GC to beat NEINHART........And , NATSU KOed NEINHART...

Show me the proof enhanced NEINHART was weaker than before ? Show me the proof of his actually admitting that he was at full power when JELLAL defeated him but when NATSU defeated him , he was not.....

I have shown u the actual proof where NEINHART admitted...SHOW me the proof where he said he is still weaker than when JELLY defeated him....

This is what ur post on scrolling above & reading @Takuan 's interpretation of ur post tell..

Explain the term "POTRAYED"......How do u range their powers :> What was potrayed ? How ? WHY ?
What does it mean ? What exactly POTRAYED SPRIGANN is ?
Where is it suggested this term of "POTRAYED levels" ?

I have used words , panels , feats , the including of the support of strong characters admitting his strengths & deeming him as threat........

COME back to me whwn u have all the answers along with the required proof .....I will take on the challenge......'

SO , whether u deny it or accept it , like it or dislike it , want it or don't want it , desire or wish or no desires....THIS is the fact

NATSU is a SPRIGANN LEVEL.

If Brandish is able to blow up Natsu because his magic power is below her own, he isn't spriggan level. He literally shit bricks by the presence of Brandish on that island.

Natsu used Igneels powers for the roar and the punch. And quit using that roar on bluenotestinger as a big one. The first panel of it shows how thin it is.

 

[Raven]

There is no solid proof that Gajeel used DF against bloodman, He always get modes against his opponents.

Against evil shadow Rogue
Against tarfailus
Againt bloodman.

all of them are just modes he gained by absorbing their powers to get stronger, He couldn't hit Evil shadow rogue but after he ate the shadows he managed to hit him then the same scenario happened against tarfailus and bloodman. Gajeel didn't use his Dragon force yet.

 

[lakhan220]

Natsu only destroyed Zeref's Magic and Curses when he was powered by Igneel, aside from that he hasn't been shown to be able to burn through curses.

First of all , u only picked the parts which were convenient rather than focusing on the whole discussion what it was about....

NATSu burnt ZEREF's curse using IGNEEL's flames....What makes u even think a slight bit that BRADMAN is on ZEREF's level ?
Why would even NATSU need IGNEEL's flames to burn BRADMAN's curse ?

Burden of proof is on you my friend, you shouldn't ask people to prove negatives. I'll reverse the question, what makes you believe that non-Igneel powered Natsu can burn MBP's?

Burden is on me to prove it..Please don't make me laugh......My friend , u r the one who wants this imaginary fights & comparisons on this thread ..Had u actually read the thread properly , u would have understood what the discussion was about ? Who even suggested those imaginary non-happening fights......Ask that man to prove since he started that imaginary fight & u have just picked a part of that thread ?

If u r interested that much in NON-CANNON & DREAM matches , make a thread on DOMUS FLAU..We have a separate section for it......

In short , I don't owe u a thing nor the burden is on me to prove anything ..In fact it is upon u to prove that imaginary fight u want..

All Bradman has to do is go Third Seal and then use Tenchi Kamei, it floods surprisingly swiftly, after which Natsu won't be able to use fire. On top of this he could just use the Sensation Curse to rip Natsu's senses away, Enhancement to keep growing stronger, Macro to control Natsu or use Absorption and his MBP body to mitigate any damage.

Why is TENCHI KAMEI unbeatable ?....Here we have a character rolling & prolling after that curse..And NATSU can't beat it..Oh , that dark matter against whom ROGUE is able to hold himself.........& NATSU who fought ZEREF , defeated 2 spriggans & KOed 1 can't beat him ..

Why would u think that NATSU will let him even reach there giving him that chance ? He can beat him & harm him physically before he is even able to use 3rd seal....

Have u considerd NATSU's power , his spells , feats before saying he can't do a thing against his absorption & such ?

ABSORPTION :- can eat magic's soul.......Is he strong enough to negate entire spell ?
MACRO :- He said he can use that curse , correct ? Is that curse absolute ? Do we not have people who broke those curses ? Certain conditions are to be met correct...Have we actually seen BRADMAN using that curse ? If so , why did he not use that against GAJEEL ?

As I said above, while flames won't be stopped by Bradman's MBP body he has the Absorption Curse so he can simply steal the souls of any spells Natsu uses against him.

As for DF, that's a tough call to make as we have no idea how powerful his current Dragon Force is. Even then, the only reason Gajeel could affect Bradman whilst in Dragon Force was because he altered the properties of his magic by eating the MBP's, something that would likely be fatal (or at least severely detrimental) for Natsu.

As I said above , what if NATSU's spells are stronger than he can handle ? ...It was not like FRANMALTH the demon's power was absolute.....HE was defeated by NATSU....Similar is the case with TOTOMARU ....He used to command NATSU's flames....NATSU broke it at that time....And now that NATSU basically is that level , I don't think it to be a problem for him to beat BRADMAN's spells.....

It is not like ZEREF's magic.....Just suck away life instantly........

About DF , at least u can have an imagination...DF is several times more powerful than their base form.......So , current NATSU's strength multiplied..I don't need to tell u further....U can imagine itself.....

Well Natsu wouldn't go Dragon Force by eating MBP's as they don't have any excess fire in them, all it would do is hasten his death. Also the burden of proof is on you again, you have to show that Natsu would be able to eat a large amount of MBP's and continue fighting.

Man , does NATSU need to eat fire only to go DF ?

He ate LAXUS's lightning , ETHERION to power himself....All of them are deadly to him....yet , he has done it & eaten different elements , hasn't he ?

Once again burden of PROOF is on u.......U r the one who wants that imaginary fight.....
As for this , ETHERION , the light that destroys nation....accumulated in the crystal....NATSU ate it.It is a much higher level MP particles than BRADMAn's MBP's.......

Surely , now u won't say BRADMAN > ETHERION

See friend , once again , the burden of proof is on u...U want this NON-CANNON fight...Make a thread on DOMUS FLAU if u want this fight & their reviews......I am not obligated to u nor am I burdened to prove anything for an imaginary fight.....

If Brandish is able to blow up Natsu because his magic power is below her own, he isn't spriggan level. He literally shit bricks by the presence of Brandish on that island.

Natsu used Igneels powers for the roar and the punch. And quit using that roar on bluenotestinger as a big one. The first panel of it shows how thin it is.

You have read nothing....This is proved from ur ridiculous post here......U r saying NATSU shit his pants when u r clearly denying the claims that all of them including NATSU , GRAY & ERZA were surprised.....

BRANDISH increased his tumour because she had done so before by reducing it..........She also reduced AUGUST's wound..So ,is she greater than her ?

Stop with those ridiculous comparisons....U conveniently avoided NATSU's magic worked on NEINHART.......BRANDISH 's magic didn't work on him....So , is BRANDISH not S-12 ?

Do u even really think before posting this ridiculous , biased jackass non-sense , girl ?

And read the whole post first ......I have given various other images links as well.......It was literal comparison of the post to whom I was replying...

What IGNEEL's power ? That power is long gone.....NATSU used his power to fight NEINHART....
Who are u to decide that roar was not a big one ? Any standards have been set by MASHIMA to define big , small & so on......

I will post whatever I want.....I had posted it as an increasing AOE's of NATSU after time-skips.....

So , next time , keep ur ideas to yourself & don't tell me what to do ?

At least I m someone better than the one who says ridiculous things like GILDARTZ & BRANDISH >= ACNOLOGIA...

 

[Axiomus]

Brandish magic would have worked on Neinhart had he not been enhanced. It even worked on August when he let her heal his wounds, though I'm sure he could resist it if he wanted to. Brandish' magic likely works against other Spriggan level opponents, just like Dimaria's does.

The only time Natsu used Igneel's power was against Zeref. He's never roared using Igneel's power. The roar he used against Bluenote isn't thin.

 

[Ebony Maw]

August
Irene
Larcade
God Serena
Dimaria
Wall
Ajeel
Jacob
Enhanced Neinhart
Brandish
Invel/Bloodman

No offense but this ranking is... strange at best IMO. I'll cover what I find weird first.

1) Goddy above DiMaria?

As we saw in 501, DiMaria can indeed freeze Spriggan tiers so she would stomp Goddy, is there a particular reason you think otherwise?

2) Ajeel and Jacob above... Bradman?

So Bradman is flat out broken in his Third Seal mode, he has MBP's constantly emitting from his body, he creates a field of bones that creates uneven ground and steals the life of those nearby, he has Over Skelter (an amped version the the Second Seal), he has the Enhancement Curse, the Sensation Curse, the Absorption Curse, Tenchi Kamei, Macro, Tenga Goken, Bomb Curse, Ice Devil Slaying Magic, the Thorn Curse, the Calamity Curse and Necromancer. On top of this Bradman is very capable in CQC, being on par with Gajeel and overwhelming Rogue.

All of these combined are insane, Bradman can potentially:

- Steal his targets senses.
- Enhance himself as the battle goes on.
- Flood the place with Tenchi Kamei.
- Control his opponent.
- Freeze his opponent.
- Restrain and pierce his foes with thorns.
- Unbalance them through the Calamity curse.

Going even further, he has one of the best defenses of the Spriggans, being able to mitigate physical damage because of his MBP body and mitigate elemental/intangible damage through the Absorption Curse. In addition Bradman can also stall his opponents out, as Enhancement makes him stronger his opponents is going to be suffering from his MBP's and his Second and Third Seals; meaning that as he gets stronger, they get weaker.

3) Ajeel and Jacob above... Invel?

Invel has one of the best skill sets in the S12, he can freeze almost any attack thrown at him and can freeze most people solid before they can react. On top of this he has Ice Lock meaning that multiple opponents are no problem for him as he can make them fight each other and then kill the weakened survivor. He also has his Divine Rainment, a technique that has insane defense and offense, making Invel's enemies beat themselves as they try and beat him.

 

[Raven]

No offense but this ranking is... strange at best IMO. I'll cover what I find weird first.

1) Goddy above DiMaria?

As we saw in 501, DiMaria can indeed freeze Spriggan tiers so she would stomp Goddy, is there a particular reason you think otherwise?

2) Ajeel and Jacob above... Bradman?

So Bradman is flat out broken in his Third Seal mode, he has MBP's constantly emitting from his body, he creates a field of bones that creates uneven ground and steals the life of those nearby, he has Over Skelter (an amped version the the Second Seal), he has the Enhancement Curse, the Sensation Curse, the Absorption Curse, Tenchi Kamei, Macro, Tenga Goken, Bomb Curse, Ice Devil Slaying Magic, the Thorn Curse, the Calamity Curse and Necromancer. On top of this Bradman is very capable in CQC, being on par with Gajeel and overwhelming Rogue.

All of these combined are insane, Bradman can potentially:

- Steal his targets senses.
- Enhance himself as the battle goes on.
- Flood the place with Tenchi Kamei.
- Control his opponent.
- Freeze his opponent.
- Restrain and pierce his foes with thorns.
- Unbalance them through the Calamity curse.

Going even further, he has one of the best defenses of the Spriggans, being able to mitigate physical damage because of his MBP body and mitigate elemental/intangible damage through the Absorption Curse. In addition Bradman can also stall his opponents out, as Enhancement makes him stronger his opponents is going to be suffering from his MBP's and his Second and Third Seals; meaning that as he gets stronger, they get weaker.

3) Ajeel and Jacob above... Invel?

Invel has one of the best skill sets in the S12, he can freeze almost any attack thrown at him and can freeze most people solid before they can react. On top of this he has Ice Lock meaning that multiple opponents are no problem for him as he can make them fight each other and then kill the weakened survivor. He also has his Divine Rainment, a technique that has insane defense and offense, making Invel's enemies beat themselves as they try and beat him.

I don't care about what you think tbh(no offense, it applies on everyone who is against my list not only you) but since you made a long post i will give you respect and reply.

-Invel best feat is freezing the weakest flames of Natsu and it isn't really impressive, He couldn't even keep Natsu frozen and Natsu managed to free himself in base mode during a heavy blizzard. He got no offense moves, He was just defending and negating Ice-related attacks which isn't really impressive either.

-Ajeel >>>>>>>>>> Invel in everything at least he managed to give Erza hard times. His sand storm was >>>> Invel not to mention that invel blizzard should be stronger than Ajeel's since Irene made the land smaller but it wasn't.

-Jacob pretty much is very haxed spriggan(teleport , broken Stealth even Natsu couldn't feel him around ) Mashima used some bs writing to finish this fight, He one shotted All the guild including Makarov besides NaLu + Happy thanks to clock man and plot convenience, At least he did something, He got trolled by Mashima so hard.

-God Serena is way stronger than Dimaria, Nerfed Serena gave Gildarts a hard time plus Gildarts himself hyped Serena thanks again to plot convenience, Acnologia oneshotted the broken Serena
She will be below serena until we have a solid proof that Dimaria time hax can work against everyone then she should be the 3rd strongest spriggan.

-I don't hate Invel or Bloodman but their fights were the worst compared to the rest of the fights and they didn't display any impressive feats, Heck! even Levy endured bloodman's anti ethernano... tho i still swallow everything because Gale and Gruvia happened and both Gray and Gajeel won by POF power up which i also like but not that much like other fights.

that's all. Not going to reply anymore over the obvious.

 

[Jko]

1. Larcade/DiMaria
2. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
3. Brandish
4. Jacob
5. God Serena
6. Invel
7. Wahl
8. Bradman
9. Ajeel
10. Neinhart

Just didn't count August or Irene bcs it's redundant lol. Jacob stealth + Transport combo is too hax. Why do you guys think this dude had to be nerf by having a stupid weakness?

 

[Woodenstool]

Brandish magic would have worked on Neinhart had he not been enhanced. It even worked on August when he let her heal his wounds, though I'm sure he could resist it if he wanted to. Brandish' magic likely works against other Spriggan level opponents, just like Dimaria's does.

The only time Natsu used Igneel's power was against Zeref. He's never roared using Igneel's power. The roar he used against Bluenote isn't thin.

No, it means Irene increased his magic above her own or the enchantment prevents her from using magic on him. It's not like their magic is light years in difference so it's totally understandable that Irene can perform that job.

Natsu did use Igneels power against the God of war. That punch sent fire from the clouds to the ground. That distance is greater than the difference between the guild and that cliff they were standing on. But Natsus punch didn't do that meaning it's not as powerful as it we first seen it. What don't you get? Natsu even said taste the flames of Igneel. The magic is literally inside of him meaning he can draw from that source like gasoline.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 15, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 15, 2016 ---

First of all , u only picked the parts which were convenient rather than focusing on the whole discussion what it was about....

NATSu burnt ZEREF's curse using IGNEEL's flames....What makes u even think a slight bit that BRADMAN is on ZEREF's level ?
Why would even NATSU need IGNEEL's flames to burn BRADMAN's curse ?



Burden is on me to prove it..Please don't make me laugh......My friend , u r the one who wants this imaginary fights & comparisons on this thread ..Had u actually read the thread properly , u would have understood what the discussion was about ? Who even suggested those imaginary non-happening fights......Ask that man to prove since he started that imaginary fight & u have just picked a part of that thread ?

If u r interested that much in NON-CANNON & DREAM matches , make a thread on DOMUS FLAU..We have a separate section for it......

In short , I don't owe u a thing nor the burden is on me to prove anything ..In fact it is upon u to prove that imaginary fight u want..



Why is TENCHI KAMEI unbeatable ?....Here we have a character rolling & prolling after that curse..And NATSU can't beat it..Oh , that dark matter against whom ROGUE is able to hold himself.........& NATSU who fought ZEREF , defeated 2 spriggans & KOed 1 can't beat him ..

Why would u think that NATSU will let him even reach there giving him that chance ? He can beat him & harm him physically before he is even able to use 3rd seal....

Have u considerd NATSU's power , his spells , feats before saying he can't do a thing against his absorption & such ?

ABSORPTION :- can eat magic's soul.......Is he strong enough to negate entire spell ?
MACRO :- He said he can use that curse , correct ? Is that curse absolute ? Do we not have people who broke those curses ? Certain conditions are to be met correct...Have we actually seen BRADMAN using that curse ? If so , why did he not use that against GAJEEL ?



As I said above , what if NATSU's spells are stronger than he can handle ? ...It was not like FRANMALTH the demon's power was absolute.....HE was defeated by NATSU....Similar is the case with TOTOMARU ....He used to command NATSU's flames....NATSU broke it at that time....And now that NATSU basically is that level , I don't think it to be a problem for him to beat BRADMAN's spells.....

It is not like ZEREF's magic.....Just suck away life instantly........

About DF , at least u can have an imagination...DF is several times more powerful than their base form.......So , current NATSU's strength multiplied..I don't need to tell u further....U can imagine itself.....




Man , does NATSU need to eat fire only to go DF ?

He ate LAXUS's lightning , ETHERION to power himself....All of them are deadly to him....yet , he has done it & eaten different elements , hasn't he ?

Once again burden of PROOF is on u.......U r the one who wants that imaginary fight.....
As for this , ETHERION , the light that destroys nation....accumulated in the crystal....NATSU ate it.It is a much higher level MP particles than BRADMAn's MBP's.......

Surely , now u won't say BRADMAN > ETHERION

See friend , once again , the burden of proof is on u...U want this NON-CANNON fight...Make a thread on DOMUS FLAU if u want this fight & their reviews......I am not obligated to u nor am I burdened to prove anything for an imaginary fight.....



You have read nothing....This is proved from ur ridiculous post here......U r saying NATSU shit his pants when u r clearly denying the claims that all of them including NATSU , GRAY & ERZA were surprised.....

BRANDISH increased his tumour because she had done so before by reducing it..........She also reduced AUGUST's wound..So ,is she greater than her ?

Stop with those ridiculous comparisons....U conveniently avoided NATSU's magic worked on NEINHART.......BRANDISH 's magic didn't work on him....So , is BRANDISH not S-12 ?

Do u even really think before posting this ridiculous , biased jackass non-sense , girl ?

And read the whole post first ......I have given various other images links as well.......It was literal comparison of the post to whom I was replying...

What IGNEEL's power ? That power is long gone.....NATSU used his power to fight NEINHART....
Who are u to decide that roar was not a big one ? Any standards have been set by MASHIMA to define big , small & so on......

I will post whatever I want.....I had posted it as an increasing AOE's of NATSU after time-skips.....

So , next time , keep ur ideas to yourself & don't tell me what to do ?

At least I m someone better than the one who says ridiculous things like GILDARTZ & BRANDISH >= ACNOLOGIA...

Gildarts busted a mountain without even trying, Brandish turned an island into a rock instantly. Use your head, she increased and decreased the size of the island at an insane speed.

 

[Brandish μ]

Idk where to rank Brandish.

I thought putting her with DiMaria would be fine, but Dim's Age Seal seems to be more effective in battle. Brandish has a pretty OP ability, but until it's fully realised in a fight I put her on par with people such as Jacob.

DiMaria, Wall, God Serena, Invel
Ajeel, Brandish, Jacob, Bloodman, Neinhart......... not going to both ranking them, just 2 groups and there's not much of a difference.

 

[SirSamuel016]

You can say whatever you want, but Natsu never soloed a Spriggan who was able to use his full power. Jacob was restricted in using Transport and Neinhart was restricted in using Historia of Corpses. In other words, they couldn't use their primary magic.

Now let's be honest, would've Natsu defeated these two if they could use their primary magic? No.

Also, there is a huge difference between the way how Jacob and Neinhart were defeated. Jacob was actually hit by many, but like MANY spells before Natsu used his final blow. Seriously, you need to face the fact that Jacob wasn't oneshotted at all.

As for Jellal, he defeated a Spriggan who wasn't restricted. So yes, he's a proven Spriggan tier.

Well that is just plain wrong. Neinhart not only had his full power but he was enchanted to be even stronger, so it is literally just denial if you're thinking that Neinhart was restricted here. He was enchanted by possibly the strongest mage from Alvarez, so why would he feel the need to go all out with his Historia when he'd definitely be thinking that a mage from Fairy Tail would be powerless before his enchanted self? Its not a restriction, its just another case of a Spriggan being cocky. You can claim what you like but at the end of the day Natsu took down Neinhart with two punches, that clearly shows he is at Spriggan tier.

Jacob got hit by more punches, yes, but you cannot ignore the fact that Natsu was holding back a lot and only hit him with one attack that did the vast majority of the damage to him. I get it, you don't like Natsu, but he's had one of the best showings against Spriggans to date with him being able to take down a Spriggan (Neinhart) with two punches. That is very impressive from an attack power stance, and with that level of attack power, its not hard to believe he could prove to be a real problem for quite a few Spriggans. Yes people like Dimaria have haxier magic like Age Seal to use, but if they don't rely on the magic like that, its quite possible that they could meet the same fate Neinhart did when Natsu attacks them. Again, its clear you really don't like Natsu, but at this point it is rather absurd to say Natsu isn't Spriggan tier when he two-shotted Neinhart, but say Gray is Spriggan tier because he hit a Spriggan with quite a few more attacks to defeat them.

As for Jellal, how is the way he defeated Neinhart any different? Your definition of restricted is a bit silly tbh, as against Natsu he could've chosen to use Historia but he didn't, so the way Jellal beat Neinhart isn't that different at all except for the fact that Jellal used one big, charged attack that tired him out a bit.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Show me when Natsu soloed a Spriggan at his or hers full potential and we can talk further.



You're clearly in denial here mang. Neinhart was restricted because the three Historia Spriggans he summoned AFFECTED his magical output. Since he used Historia of Corpses at its full potential, he wasn't able to use it against Natsu during their fight thus he had to use his secondary magic. So Neinhart WAS restricted and you can deny it what you want, but it's just a solid fact.

And if you're really that blind to understand, I'll give you the evidence you want so badly.

Spoiler

Did you seriously said Natsu can burn through Ice Lock with his body heat? Do you even understand the capabilities of Ice Lock?

Spoiler

It can only be disabled once the victim dies. And if you're still not convinced, then why didn't Juvia use her water body to escape it?

Exactly what is Natsu's body heat going to do about Transport? Natsu would be teleported to another dimension even before he enters FDKM.

Weakness can't be countered in a solo fight. If necessary Wall will create bots who use Dispell Magic.

Neinhart isn't stronger than his historias, that's nonsense. His own combat feats are not even more impressive than Base Wendy's.

Bloodman will use Tenchi Kaimei and Natsu won't even be able to use a spell. This isn't even debatable.

Natsu ain't going to destroy Sandworld. Show me a spell of Natsu which has an AoE as high as Magnolia.

Still not convinced. Natsu isn't going to beat a single Spriggan.



You can call me biased for saying Natsu isn't Spriggan tier but you didn't show me any evidence that he is LOL.

Laxus, Jellal and Gray are proven Spriggan tier because they soloed one who wasn't holding back..



He took out restricted Spriggans, yes. So he is portrayed to be restricted Spriggan tier.



Scroll up and see my proof. Or just read the flawless post of @Takuan.



UNBIASED HE SAID.

So your only proof is a panel of him BEFORE Eileen powered him up to past his maximum? Nice troll.