Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Woodenstool]

I dunno about that.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 15, 2016 ---

No, she can't even beat Ajeel by herself.

Unlike Natsus opponents, hers actually move and plot isn't in her fight.

 

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Unlike Natsus opponents, hers actually move and plot isn't in her fight.

Natsu has shown the firepower, speed, combat ability etc to beat Spriggans though whereas Ajeel overwhelmed Erza and he's pretty low in the Spriggans.

 

[Woodenstool]

Natsu has shown the firepower, speed, combat ability etc to beat Spriggans though whereas Ajeel overwhelmed Erza and he's pretty low in the Spriggans.

I would like to see Natsu counter a sandstorm that engulfs the entire city, Ajeels speed that even surpasses Erzas.

 

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I would like to see Natsu counter a sandstorm that engulfs the entire city, Ajeels speed that even surpasses Erzas.

Natsu doesn't need to burn all of Sand World. His aura from BDKM will burn away the sand around him and Ajeel will have to eventually encounter him head to head where Natsu can deal with him :/

 

[Char]

No, she can't even beat Ajeel by herself.

We have yet to see her bloodlusted like Gray was... Betcha she can even fight toe to toe with Irene xDD

 

[Crimson Ice]

Unlike Natsus opponents, hers actually move and plot isn't in her fight.

Erza's fights HAVE THE MOST PLOT BS IN THEM. Stop crying and making up excuses.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 15, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 15, 2016 ---

We have yet to see her bloodlusted like Gray was... Betcha she can even fight toe to toe with Irene xDD

No.....Just no, don't even joke about that much bullshit.

 

[Woodenstool]

Erza's fights HAVE THE MOST PLOT BS IN THEM. Stop crying and making up excuses.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 15, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 15, 2016 ---

No.....Just no, don't even joke about that much bullshit.

You're talking about the past in Tataraus. I'm talking about Ajeels fight, the other ones are petty.

Jacob was about to end Natsu but oh no! Happy was there and saved the day. Ajeels vs Erza was the best executed fight this entire arc. And that statement isn't subjective at all.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 15, 2016 ---

Natsu doesn't need to burn all of Sand World. His aura from BDKM will burn away the sand around him and Ajeel will have to eventually encounter him head to head where Natsu can deal with him :/

Ajeel can literally turn into sand, he can just move outside of the heat. And your blinded by the sand, so which Ajeels speed and strength which is superior to Erzas he takes the cake.

 

[Boomburst]

Gray's resistance didn't help him against any of Invel's projectiles while I don't even know how you can interior that scene line that when Gray's hand was getting frozen........Gray took the qualities to Invel's ice and molded it into some gauntlets and the move's name is Ice Devil's Zero Desturction Fist......He was using Devil Slaying magic.

Natsu was holding back the power of his moves not his speed. Natsu loses if Jacob uses transport. Transport is a BFR which means Natsu loses just from being BFRed.

I assumed that Gray was using Ice Make to mold Invel's divine ice and that was what caused his armor to break. The translations for that part are a little confusing though, so I very well could be wrong.

We have quite a lack of feats from FDKM (something I think a lot of people fail to realize), but I assume that it would boost Natsu's speed as well as his other stats. Besides, we don't have much info about Transport either. Does it have a casting time? Does it have a delay? Does it require a fair amount of concentration? We don't know these things.

I'm not saying that Natsu would definitely win against Jacob even in FDKM, I'm just saying that since we never got to see an all out fight between the two, we don't have enough information to make a definitive statement about who would win.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I assumed that Gray was using Ice Make to mold Invel's divine ice and that was what caused his armor to break. The translations for that part are a little confusing though, so I very well could be wrong.

We have quite a lack of feats from FDKM (something I think a lot of people fail to realize), but I assume that it would boost Natsu's speed as well as his other stats. Besides, we don't have much info about Transport either. Does it have a casting time? Does it have a delay? Does it require a fair amount of concentration? We don't know these things.

I'm not saying that Natsu would definitely win against Jacob even in FDKM, I'm just saying that since we never got to see an all out fight between the two, we don't have enough information to make a definitive statement about who would win.

He broke them with his fists, he just to the properties of the ice and molded it into gauntlets. Why would FDKM give a boost to speed? Even if it did why do you think it would be big enough to blitz Jacob? The only person who's blitzed a Spirggan with raw speed was Acno, and I'm sorry to say Natsu is no Acno. We don't have info on transport? We literally see Jacob use it on the whole fodder at the guild, they seem to be a small delay but nothing massive. All Jacob needs to do is clap his hands, at this point you're reaching to save Natsu.


We have more than enough info.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 16, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 16, 2016 ---

You're talking about the past in Tataraus. I'm talking about Ajeels fight, the other ones are petty.

Jacob was about to end Natsu but oh no! Happy was there and saved the day. Ajeels vs Erza was the best executed fight this entire arc. And that statement isn't subjective at all.

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Ajeel can literally turn into sand, he can just move outside of the heat. And your blinded by the sand, so which Ajeels speed and strength which is superior to Erzas he takes the cake.

I'm talking about in general. Making up excuses for Erza won't make her stronger than Natsu.

And no, Erza vs Ajeel being the best fight is SUBJECTIVE, it is not fact.

 

[Boomburst]

He broke them with his fists, he just to the properties of the ice and molded it into gauntlets. Why would FDKM give a boost to speed? Even if it did why do you think it would be big enough to blitz Jacob? The only person who's blitzed a Spirggan with raw speed was Acno, and I'm sorry to say Natsu is no Acno. We don't have info on transport? We literally see Jacob use it on the whole fodder at the guild, they seem to be a small delay but nothing massive. All Jacob needs to do is clap his hands, at this point you're reaching to save Natsu.


We have more than enough info.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 16, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 16, 2016 ---

I'm talking about in general. Making up excuses for Erza won't make her stronger than Natsu.

And no, Erza vs Ajeel being the best fight is SUBJECTIVE, it is not fact.

Whatever he did wih Invel's ice, the fact remains that he was only able to do that because of his Ice Make. If Gray was a user of any other element he wouldn't have been able to do that.

Again, I'm not saying that FDKM 100% boosts Natsu's speed. I'm not saying that it would 100% make him fast enough to blitz Jacob. I'm just saying that it's a reasonable possibility. And as long as that possibility exists, we can't say for sure how an all out fight between the two would go.

 

[Woodenstool]

Whatever he did wih Invel's ice, the fact remains that he was only able to do that because of his Ice Make. If Gray was a user of any other element he wouldn't have been able to do that.

Again, I'm not saying that FDKM 100% boosts Natsu's speed. I'm not saying that it would 100% make him fast enough to blitz Jacob. I'm just saying that it's a reasonable possibility. And as long as that possibility exists, we can't say for sure how an all out fight between the two would go.

Provided evidence that FDKM enhances ones speed. People keep saying say this that Natsu is fast but I don't recall any speed feats.

Though Natsu using Iron fist on that priest made a huge explosion, so it's understandable.

 

[Boomburst]

Provided evidence that FDKM enhances ones speed. People keep saying say this that Natsu is fast but I don't recall any speed feats.

Though Natsu using Iron fist on that priest made a huge explosion, so it's understandable.

Again, I'm not saying that it absolutely does boost his speed. FDKM has almost no feats so we can't definitively say whether it boosts his speed or not. I'm just saying that it COULD.

 

[Woodenstool]

Again, I'm not saying that it absolutely does boost his speed. FDKM has almost no feats so we can't definitively say whether it boosts his speed or not. I'm just saying that it COULD.

Erza is faster than Natsu and with flame empress armror, she would take him. 0 diff.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 16, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 16, 2016 ---

Honestly doubting if Gildarts himself is still the top dog anymore. It's obvious he wasn't going to be the strongest forever and his performance against Serena was meh, he was actually harmed by Serena and used his only named arrack. Gray, Natsu, Gajeel, Laxus and Jellal were all more impressive to me.

Gildarts is faster, breaks magic. he would 0 diff them all.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 16, 2016 ---

By feats yes but by portrayal and hype Gildarts is still the top dog :/

What? By feats the others are stronger than Gildarts?

Tell me if you need a refresher on his feats.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Whatever he did wih Invel's ice, the fact remains that he was only able to do that because of his Ice Make. If Gray was a user of any other element he wouldn't have been able to do that.

Again, I'm not saying that FDKM 100% boosts Natsu's speed. I'm not saying that it would 100% make him fast enough to blitz Jacob. I'm just saying that it's a reasonable possibility. And as long as that possibility exists, we can't say for sure how an all out fight between the two would go.

He did that because of his DeS magic but whatever, him not being able to do that to other elements doesn's contradict how much above a Spriggan Gray was. Nothing implies FDKM give such a boost in speed or in general, I'm not conceding from an argument based on a big reach.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 17, 2016 ---

Erza is faster than Natsu and with flame empress armror, she would take him. 0 diff.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 16, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 16, 2016 ---

Gildarts is faster, breaks magic. he would 0 diff them all.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 16, 2016 ---

What? By feats the others are stronger than Gildarts?

Tell me if you need a refresher on his feats.

Gildart isn't faster, stop shit posting.

 

[Boomburst]

He did that because of his DeS magic but whatever, him not being able to do that to other elements doesn's contradict how much above a Spriggan Gray was. Nothing implies FDKM give such a boost in speed or in general, I'm not conceding from an argument based on a big reach.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 17, 2016 ---

Gildart isn't faster, stop shit posting.

Well my interpretation was that Gray's Ice Make was what allowed him to break through Invels armor. The way this was explained in the manga was pretty vague though, so let's just agree to disagree here.

Again you misunderstand me. I'm not saying it DOES boost Natsu's speed. I'm saying that it COULD. As long as there's a reasonable chance that Natsu would become fast enough to blitz Jacob, I'm not just gonna hand Jacob the win. I'm saying it could go either way depending.

 

[Woodenstool]

He did that because of his DeS magic but whatever, him not being able to do that to other elements doesn's contradict how much above a Spriggan Gray was. Nothing implies FDKM give such a boost in speed or in general, I'm not conceding from an argument based on a big reach.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 17, 2016 ---

Gildart isn't faster, stop shit posting.

http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/14
Poof speed AKA FTE


http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/18
Throws 13 punches instantly. Don't ignore cannon source facts.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

I can't believe you're still using that Gildarts feat like it proves something


Bacchus threw 7 punches in an instant vs Elfman. No one in the manga bar Gildarts has thrown more punches than that in an instant canonically (assuming Ice Trail is cannon). Are Bacchus and Gildarts suddenly the two fastest characters in FT?

 

[Solitrine]

Not saying that Ice Trail Gildarts isn't fast but being FTE to fodder isn't too impressive.

 

[Spirit]

Not saying that Ice Trail Gildarts isn't fast but being FTE to fodder isn't too impressive.

Yeah.... Out of all the feats we've seen so far, Gildarts can't be said to be FTE... His specialty is sheer power/force and AOE, not speed. Think of him as a Tanker as opposed to a Blitzer

 

[Woodenstool]

I can't believe you're still using that Gildarts feat like it proves something


Bacchus threw 7 punches in an instant vs Elfman. No one in the manga bar Gildarts has thrown more punches than that in an instant canonically (assuming Ice Trail is cannon). Are Bacchus and Gildarts suddenly the two fastest characters in FT?

Gildarts did it casually with one arm.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 17, 2016 ---

Yeah.... Out of all the feats we've seen so far, Gildarts can't be said to be FTE... His specialty is sheer power/force and AOE, not speed. Think of him as a Tanker as opposed to a Blitzer

I think not, Gildarts blitzed Bluenotestinger and Byro. His fight with God Serena could've ended from the start, if you notice, Gildarts slammed his face with God Serenas instantly. Gildarts has speed, strength, he isn't a person to downgrade.