I just read the last 3 pages and you people were debating Gildarts strength compared to the rest of Fairy Tail. She/He gave evidence for the things she said and yet people still deny Gildarts feats compared Natsu'.
Most of the points weren't from ice trail, when Gildarts arrived to fight bluenotestinger. He couldn't react and he got blitzed. The same goes for the God Serena fight, no one saw him coming.
Gildarts plain punches blew holes on the side of a mountain. They weren't magic empowered. You need to understand what he/she is saying, I think you're off topic.
I just read the last 3 pages and you people were debating Gildarts strength compared to the rest of Fairy Tail. She/He gave evidence for the things she said and yet people still deny Gildarts feats compared Natsu'.
Most of the points weren't from ice trail, when Gildarts arrived to fight bluenotestinger. He couldn't react and he got blitzed. The same goes for the God Serena fight, no one saw him coming.
Gildarts plain punches blew holes on the side of a mountain. They weren't magic empowered. You need to understand what he/she is saying, I think you're off topic.
Please do your own research and read through the debate before posting comments like these.
I know for sure that I was debating with her over the fact that Gildarts couldn't move at FTL speeds, and that Ice Trail was not canon. Hiro never said it was canon, therefore it wasn't canon. That's the way these things are.
And then she starts going on about Gildarts being able to punch through mountains and all. Like, ok yeah? We know this, but what does it have to do with him being the fastest or second fastest? If anyone, I think Gildarts is going to run into Larcade of all people. Fairy Tail's strongest (debatable these days) versus the unknown variant in the enemy's ranks
Please do your own research and read through the debate before posting comments like these.
I know for sure that I was debating with her over the fact that Gildarts couldn't move at FTL speeds, and that Ice Trail was not canon. Hiro never said it was canon, therefore it wasn't canon. That's the way these things are.
And then she starts going on about Gildarts being able to punch through mountains and all. Like, ok yeah? We know this, but what does it have to do with him being the fastest or second fastest? If anyone, I think Gildarts is going to run into Larcade of all people. Fairy Tail's strongest (debatable these days) versus the unknown variant in the enemy's ranks
Fairy Tail: Ice trail was supervised by Hiro Mashima. He wrote the story himself, the only thing he didn't do was draw it obviously... He said in an interview that he wrote all the filler arcs in Fairy tail.
Huh? What does it have to do with Gildarts being the fastest?
She/he gave you scans on why Gildarts is the the fastest character in the series. Are you just going to ignore that? Even I gave you a few reasons why but I guess that doesn't matter to you.
Can Gildarts move at light speed?
No
Is the Gildarts the strongest/fastest character in the series?
The proof is in the fights against Bluenote and God Serena. Let's say Gildarts has 'light-speed', then I'd say he doesn't use it in battle. Gildarts fights with heavy punches, relies on disassembly to defend as well as the strength of his own body to take punches. So in a fight he doesn't seem to blitz his opponents, he tends to brawl.
Anyway his speed isn't instant, or he'd have got away from Acnologia's 'instant attack'. He's pretty fast for someone who doesn't rely on magic for speed.
Please do your own research and read through the debate before posting comments like these.
I know for sure that I was debating with her over the fact that Gildarts couldn't move at FTL speeds, and that Ice Trail was not canon. Hiro never said it was canon, therefore it wasn't canon. That's the way these things are.
And then she starts going on about Gildarts being able to punch through mountains and all. Like, ok yeah? We know this, but what does it have to do with him being the fastest or second fastest? If anyone, I think Gildarts is going to run into Larcade of all people. Fairy Tail's strongest (debatable these days) versus the unknown variant in the enemy's ranks
Fairy Tail: Ice trail was supervised by Hiro Mashima. He wrote the story himself, the only thing he didn't do was draw it obviously... He said in an interview that he wrote all the filler arcs in Fairy tail.
Huh? What does it have to do with Gildarts being the fastest?
She/he gave you scans on why Gildarts is the the fastest character in the series. Are you just going to ignore that? Even I gave you a few reasons why but I guess that doesn't matter to you.
Can Gildarts move at light speed?
No
Is the Gildarts the strongest/fastest character in the series?
Ice Trail was written and illustrated by Shirato. If you didnt know even that then you shouldnt be bringing blalantly false information to the table. Hiro supervised it. He never said it was canon...
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Anyway, this is getting out of hand. Let's all stop this and move on
You're biased, therefore an unreliable source. You're twisting these to your own arguments.
Ice Trail was written and illustrated by Shirato. If you didnt know even that then you shouldnt be bringing blalantly false information to the table. Hiro supervised it. He never said it was canon...
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Anyway, this is getting out of hand. Let's all stop this and move on
Did you really just ignore WoodStools post? You can't debunk them is the only thing I'm seeing from you.
I wouldn't call Wooden Stool biased, she/he addressed points and you just couldn't counter back. And now you are trying to leave this conversation because you have lost the moment Wooden Stool gave solid proof for her claims.
Did you really just ignore WoodStools post? You can't debunk them is the only thing I'm seeing from you.
I wouldn't call Wooden Stool biased, she/he addressed points and you just couldn't counter back. And now you are trying to leave this conversation because you have lost the moment Wooden Stool gave solid proof for her claims.
Ok. Now you're just starting to make assumptions about me, which I really don't appreciate. Stop.
In this scenario, she's the one arguing her point/cause, and I'm one of the people who is... Say, a third party. I'm countering the points which have little or no solid grounding
Oh buddy if only you knew. The reason why we call Woodenstool biased and the reason why we kinda just want to ignore her now is because we've already had this debate before. The "solid proof" that Woodenstool provided was countered months ago and the fact that she's still here with the exact same arguments just goes to show that she doesn't care about counterarguments. You should go back and read some of her past debates. 90% of the time she doesn't even respond to any of the counterarguments that people provide and she fills her posts with ad hominems and 5th grade insults. Is it any wonder that people are getting tired of arguing with her?
She gave you proof that God Serena would lose to Gildarts, she gave you proof on his strength but you still say Gildarts isn't that strong and she biased.
She gave you proof that God Serena would lose to Gildarts, she gave you proof on his strength but you still say Gildarts isn't that strong and she biased.
Well of course Gildarts is strong. No one is denying that fact. The argument was about whether Gildarts was faster than the speed of light. And he's not.
You claimed you've read his arguments. Did you catch the part where he said Gildarts could blitz August and fodderize him?
She gave you proof that God Serena would lose to Gildarts, she gave you proof on his strength but you still say Gildarts isn't that strong and she biased.
How can we be biased when we aren't the ones taking the stance? If I were to say Laxus (for example) was faster than gildarts and argue that point, then yes you could say that I was biased to my own argument. But I'm not. So you can't really call the peanut gallery biased can you?
Well of course Gildarts is strong. No one is denying that fact. The argument was about whether Gildarts was faster than the speed of light. And he's not.
You claimed you've read his arguments. Did you catch the part where he said Gildarts could blitz August and fodderize him?
How can we be biased when we aren't the ones taking the stance? If I were to say Laxus (for example) was faster than gildarts and argue that point, then yes you could say that I was biased to my own argument. But I'm not. So you can't really call the peanut gallery biased can you?
I'm starting to notice you just don't like her, is it because she's a female and males are suppose to be superior?
Wooden stool made valid points, you guys can't just say 'well you are biased and so therefore you are wrong' when the claims were right. Gildarts is the fastest and strongest character aside from Acnologia.
August spells can be broken by crash unless August pulls some op magic which I hope does. He and Irene are the only hype trains we have going for the spriggan 12, God Serena had hype.
If only Hiro made Neinharts magic capable if bring back the dead like Zeref...
Well of course Gildarts is strong. No one is denying that fact. The argument was about whether Gildarts was faster than the speed of light. And he's not.
You claimed you've read his arguments. Did you catch the part where he said Gildarts could blitz August and fodderize him?
Wooden stool made valid points, you guys can't just say 'well you are biased and so therefore you are wrong' when the claims were right. Gildarts is the fastest and strongest character aside from Acnologia.
And you can't just say "well I don't agree with you so therefore you're biased". The pitiful amount of evidence Woodenstool has provided may be enough for you but some people, myself included, would like more proof than a panel of Gildarts punching fodder in a spin-off that may not even be canon.
And you can't just say "well I don't agree with you so therefore you're biased". The pitiful amount of evidence Woodenstool has provided may be enough for you but some people, myself included, would like more proof than a panel of Gildarts punching fodder in a spin-off that may not even be canon.
Well my interpretation was that Gray's Ice Make was what allowed him to break through Invels armor. The way this was explained in the manga was pretty vague though, so let's just agree to disagree here.
Again you misunderstand me. I'm not saying it DOES boost Natsu's speed. I'm saying that it COULD. As long as there's a reasonable chance that Natsu would become fast enough to blitz Jacob, I'm not just gonna hand Jacob the win. I'm saying it could go either way depending.
You're saying it could when there is no indication of it doing so. You're just reaching just to protect your favourite character. That's like saying me randomly saying Gray's trump card could boost all his physical stats 10 fold making him the strongest character in the show behind Zeref. IT COULD until Hiro disproves it.
It's an anime/manga that requires people's entertainment. Natsu could have taken out Jacob or Invel(debatable) if he tried. Hiro Mashima is not going to have a fight last 10 seconds.
He sent a dude multiple kilometers in the air in the time it took Rustyrose to hit the ground.
And in a hundred of a fraction or some sort of tiny number in the time it took for Bluenote to be like a dozen meters up the force already completely penetrated the cloud level.
Plot does intervene for fights, but it's not something you can use for excuses all the time. Gildarts was fighting evenly with Bluenote. Plot 'intervened' when Tenrou fell, Gildarts took a bit of damage then so then he could be taken out of the arc. But that doesn't change the fact that Bluenote was keeping up with him. Gildarts speed didn't win him the fight, it was a non-factor against Bluenote, which is my point.
Natsu could've beaten Jacob had he gone all out from the start. Natsu was also helped out by Horologium. So plot intervened a bit there - which is perfectly fine, but needs to be accounted for in power level discussion.
I'm not trying to debunk your light speed claims. I am making the claim that Gildarts speed in battle did not seem to overwhelm Bluenote or God Serena - and that is true. He outfought them with punching power and defence.
If I were to speculate that Ice Trail Gildarts was extraordinarily fast - like light-speed - then I'd say the reason why he's slower now is because he got disfigured by Acnologia.
She claimed that Gildarts has casual mountain busting punches, which has been debunked. And seeing as Gildarts didn't even make quick work of Historia God Serena and even he wasn't sure of who would win, I highly doubt Gildarts would beat God Serena as easily as you suggest. I'm not going to say anything about Natsu because his FDKM lacks feats. I do agree that base Natsu would lose.
I'm not going to debate over whether Ice Trail is canon or not, I don't really know much about it. I've heard people say it's canon and I've heard people say it's non-canon.
Please stop, Wodden has mad no good point whatsoever. He assumed everything called 'a laser' is lightspeed which is just factually incorrect, while even then Sting's roar was called a laser which would make these so-called light speed reactions not impressive anymore, while Wodden has also tried to say Gildarts' is the fastest in the show because he makes a fucking poof sound when moving..............which indicates nothing to super high-speed movement. You know what else makes a fucking poof? A fart. Wodden has failed multiple times to make any decent points and he isn't good to make any good points anytime soon.
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Nobody in FT is light speed, stop this bullshit, I know this thread hasn't sunk this low.
You're saying it could when there is no indication of it doing so. You're just reaching just to protect your favourite character. That's like saying me randomly saying Gray's trump card could boost all his physical stats 10 fold making him the strongest character in the show behind Zeref. IT COULD until Hiro disproves it.
That's false equivalence. FDKM giving a boost in speed is a hell of a lot more reasonable than your hypothetical Gray powerup. Dragon Force has already been shown to boost speed. Why can't FDKM?
Plot does intervene for fights, but it's not something you can use for excuses all the time. Gildarts was fighting evenly with Bluenote. Plot 'intervened' when Tenrou fell, Gildarts took a bit of damage then so then he could be taken out of the arc. But that doesn't change the fact that Bluenote was keeping up with him. Gildarts speed didn't win him the fight, it was a non-factor against Bluenote, which is my point.
Natsu could've beaten Jacob had he gone all out from the start. Natsu was also helped out by Horologium. So plot intervened a bit there - which is perfectly fine, but needs to be accounted for in power level discussion.
I'm not trying to debunk your light speed claims. I am making the claim that Gildarts speed in battle did not seem to overwhelm Bluenote or God Serena - and that is true. He outfought them with punching power and defence.
If I were to speculate that Ice Trail Gildarts was extraordinarily fast - like light-speed - then I'd say the reason why he's slower now is because he got disfigured by Acnologia.
Gildarts blitzed Bluenotestinger when he first arrived to fight him. He couldn't react to Gildarts, they weren't fighting evenly, Every time they punched one another, Bluenote was pushed back.
Bluenotestinger-"me? Pushed back?"
When his magic power returned, Gildarts grabbed his leg and blitzed him. Then after that, Gildarts blitzed him once again with his crash punch that sent so much force that it blew away the clouds.
