Team Spriggan Team Battle

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I will give this battle to Brandish and God Serena mainly because of God Serena.God Serena with 8 Dragon Slayer elements is above most of the Spriggans and his energy attacks should effect Bloodman.And Brandish together with him should win.
Support Brandish x God Serena.

...You disgust me.

Although I agree with you, God Serena is above most of the Spriggans and combined with Brandish's Mass Manipulation, the two could take the win. However, their strong competitor are Wahl and Bloodman, both of who possess a lot of raw power and hax too.

 

[Plutogrim]

Bradman and Wahl would win this.

They are the most destructive one here.

 

[J.Cole]

This is a one side slaughter Brandish alone could take them all adding God Serena is basic over kill

Haxx >>> all

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Exactly. Brandish feared "Enhanced Neinhart himself".

Natsu showed no signs of worry.

And you saw how Historia God Serena gave Natsu a rough time for a few seconds.

So Brandish doing anything remotely close to enlarging/shrinking God Serena's powerful attacks/spells seems kind of unrealistic at the moment.

If she was intimidated by Enhanced Neinhart's body, she would not be able to control the size of God Serena's spells.

It's not about fear or intimidation. I don't even see how being intimidated by Neinhart would affect her ability to resize God Serena's attacks... They have nothing in common...

The subject of debate is about whether Brandish can manipulate God Serena's attacks or not. And she can. I'll repeat myself once more. The MP in God Serena's attacks is not equal to Enhanced Neinhart's total magic power. In fact, it is very much below. The only reason why they are strong is because God Serena is notable for his attack power.

 

[Nemispelled]

It's not about fear or intimidation. I don't even see how being intimidated by Neinhart would affect her ability to resize God Serena's attacks... They have nothing in common...

The subject of debate is about whether Brandish can manipulate God Serena's attacks or not. And she can. I'll repeat myself once more. The MP in God Serena's attacks is not equal to Enhanced Neinhart's total magic power. In fact,it is very much below. The only reason why it is strong is because God Serena is notable for his attack power.

Ask yourself this:

Can somebody who is afraid of Enhanced Neinhart shrink God Serena's powerful spells to the size of a pebble?

You know how much MP that would take to manipulate God Serena's attacks?

Brandish clearly doesn't have the MP to do that given she was surprised at Neinhart's MP.


I don't know where you get your MP data from, but it's pretty obvious that a person who is surprised by Neinhart's MP, does not have the MP to control the size of God Serena's attacks.

Brandish can only control the size of attacks of people who are weaker than her.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Ask yourself this:

Can somebody who is afraid of Enhanced Neinhart shrink God Serena's powerful spells to the size of a pebble?

You know how much MP that would take to manipulate God Serena's attacks?

Brandish clearly doesn't have the MP to do that given she was surprised at Neinhart's MP.


I don't know where you get your MP data from, but it's pretty obvious that a person who is surprised by Neinhart's MP, does not have the MP to control the size of God Serena's attacks.

Brandish can only control the size of attacks of people who are weaker than her.

To answer your question... Why not?

You keep using "fear" as a way of proving that Brandish can't maximize God Serena's spells which is totally off-topic. Let's go over it one more time.

Brandish was trying to shrink Enhanced Neinhart but it failed because Eileen increased his overall magic power. Keep in mind that the Spriggans are more or less the same in MP. The difference between them is their other stats like attack power, durability, etc. Even if you were to argue that God Serena has more MP than Neinhart, this is Enhanced Neinhart we're talking about.

It should be common sense that each individual attack from God Serena is not equal to Neinhart's total MP. That means Brandish would indeed be able to increase the size of God Serena's attacks, yet she can't shrink Neinhart himself.

I don't know what you mean when you said "your MP data" but I can tell you that trying to use "fear" as an argument is surely inaccurate.

 

[Nemispelled]

To answer your question... Why not?

You keep using "fear" as a way of proving that Brandish can't maximize God Serena's spells which is totally off-topic. Let's go over it one more time.

Brandish was trying to shrink Enhanced Neinhart but it failed because Eileen increased his overall magic power. Keep in mind that the Spriggans are more or less the same in MP. The difference between them is their other stats like attack power, durability, etc. Even if you were to argue that God Serena has more MP than Neinhart, this is Enhanced Neinhart we're talking about.

It should be common sense that each individual attack from God Serena is not equal to Neinhart's total MP. That means Brandish would indeed be able to increase the size of God Serena's attacks, yet she can't shrink Neinhart himself.

I don't know what you mean when you said "your MP data" but I can tell you that trying to use "fear" as an argument is surely inaccurate.

Ok, first off, the Spriggan do not all have the same MP. That's absurd...

Wahl has a way more MP than Neinhart. Invel and Bloodman have way more MP than Jacob.

I don't know where you fact check your information, but nothing adds up.


How can a mage on Brandish's caliber manipulate God Serena's magic at well, if she feared Neinhart's MP, who has exponentially lower MP than one of God Serena's powerful spell?

Enhanced Neinhart was still shit. Natsu two shotted him and he looked like a fodder.


Where you go wrong is you think Enhanced Neinhart's MP > The MP of 1 of God Serena's spells.

The truth is, the MP of 1 of God Serena's spells > Enhanced Neinhart's MP.


I assure you that Brandish is not on the caliber to control or manipulate God Serena's attacks at will.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Ok, first off, the Spriggan do not all have the same MP. That's absurd...

Wahl has a way more MP than Neinhart. Invel and Bloodman have way more MP than Jacob.

I don't know where you fact check your information, but nothing adds up.

The Spriggans were said countless times to have similar MP. The only difference between them (like I said before) is their other stats. Neinhart has low durability which is why he lasts a lot shorter in a fight compared to the other Spriggans.

How can a mage on Brandish's caliber manipulate God Serena's magic at well, if she feared Neinhart's MP, who has exponentially lower MP than one of God Serena's powerful spell?

Enhanced Neinhart was still shit. Natsu two shotted him and he looked like a fodder.


Where you go wrong is you think Enhanced Neinhart's MP > The MP of 1 of God Serena's spells.

The truth is, the MP of 1 of God Serena's spells > Enhanced Neinhart's MP.


I assure you that Brandish is not on the caliber to control or manipulate God Serena's attacks at will.

This is really becoming repetitive...

God Serena's spells don't have more magic power than Enhanced Neinhart himself... He has more attack power. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that God Serena is using all of Neinhart's MP when he uses his spells which is totally illogical.

Natsu was able to destroy this fodder because of his low durability... I've said this before.

If my explanations aren't making sense, let me show you my reasoning quantitatively.

Let's assume God Serena's magic power is 10,000. Given that Neinhart is comparable to the other Spriggans in MP, his would be around 7,000.

When God Serena uses an attack, he is only depleting his energy by 500-1,000. So can you tell me that... 7,000 < 1,000? Or would it make more sense for 7,000 > 1,000?

 

[Nemispelled]

The Spriggans were said countless times to have similar MP. The only difference between them (like I said before) is their other stats. Neinhart has low durability which is why he lasts a lot shorter in a fight compared to the other Spriggans.



This is really becoming repetitive...

God Serena's spells don't have more magic power than Enhanced Neinhart himself... He has more attack power. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that God Serena is using all of Neinhart's MP when he uses his spells which is totally illogical.

Natsu was able to destroy this fodder because of his low durability... I've said this before.

If my explanations aren't making sense, let me show you my reasoning quantitatively.

Let's assume God Serena's magic power is 10,000. Given that Neinhart is comparable to the other Spriggans in MP, his would be around 7,000.

When God Serena uses an attack, he is only depleting his energy by 500-1,000. So can you tell me that... 7,000 < 1,000? Or would it make more sense for 7,000 > 1,000?

The Spiggans do not have the same MP. That's absurd. The amount of energy sensed from "regular" Neinhart is not the same amount of energy sensed from Assault Wahl.


God Serena's spells have more MP than Enhanced Neinhart, not just attack power or whatever you call it.

The fact that Natsu was not even scared about the amount of magical energy coming off of Neinhart speaks volumes about his MP. It's weak.

On the other hand, Natsu knew God Serena was a more serious opponent just by the first combat engagement.


Your stats are way off buddy.

If God Serena's magic power is 10,000. Then Neinhart is 500-1,000 max. The dude is 10x weaker than God Serena in all aspects. His illusions don't come anywhere close to matching God Serena's DS magic.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

The Spiggans do not have the same MP. That's absurd. The amount of energy sensed from "regular" Neinhart is not the same amount of energy sensed from Assault Wahl.


God Serena's spells have more MP than Enhanced Neinhart, not just attack power or whatever you call it.

The fact that Natsu was not even scared about the amount of magical energy coming off of Neinhart speaks volumes about his MP. It's weak.

On the other hand, Natsu knew God Serena was a more serious opponent just by the first combat engagement.


Your stats are way off buddy.

If God Serena's magic power is 10,000. Then Neinhart is 500-1,000 max. The dude is 10x weaker than God Serena in all aspects. His illusions don't come anywhere close to matching God Serena's DS magic.

The Spriggans do have similar MP. It's not really that hard to comprehend considering we got manga pages showing that that. Team Natsu was terrified of Ajeel's MP the same way they were terrified of Brandish's. Not to mention, Brandish already stated that all the Spriggans have similar magic power. NOT power (which is how most people misinterpret Brandish's words).

You're still using "fear" an argument... Show me the panels. I don't remember Natsu being "afraid" of God Serena compared to Neinhart. He treated them exactly with the exception that he defeated one and was overwhelmed by one. Besides, Natsu is the type to always charge into fights...

See, this is where you go wrong. You're confusing power with magic power.

If you're talking about power, then I would agree that God Serena is like a 10,000 while Neinhart is like a 1,000. But that is a whole separate topic.

I'm talking about magic power here. If Neinhart's magic power is 500 and God Serena's magic power is 10,000 then that means God Serena's total MP would be equal to 20 Neinhart's which doesn't make sense.

 

[Nemispelled]

The Spriggans do have similar MP. It's not really that hard to comprehend considering we got manga pages showing that that. Team Natsu was terrified of Ajeel's MP the same way they were terrified of Brandish's. Not to mention, Brandish already stated that all the Spriggans have similar magic power. NOT power (which is how most people misinterpret Brandish's words).

You're still using "fear" an argument... Show me the panels. I don't remember Natsu being "afraid" of God Serena compared to Neinhart. He treated them exactly with the exception that he defeated one and was overwhelmed by one. Besides, Natsu is the type to always charge into fights...

See, this is where you go wrong. You're confusing power with magic power.

If you're talking about power, then I would agree that God Serena is like a 10,000 while Neinhart is like a 1,000. But that is a whole separate topic.

I'm talking about magic power here. If Neinhart's magic power is 500 and God Serena's magic power is 10,000 then that means God Serena's total MP would be equal to 20 Neinhart's which doesn't make sense.

Team Natsu was not terrified... They were momentarily surprised.

They can't be terrified given that Natsu oneshot Jacob and two shot Enhanced Neinhart while Gray defeated Invel low diff in his base form...

Brandish stating all Spriggans have similar magic power is BS and meaningless. Clearly, they don't. August >>>> Wahl >>>> Neinhart.


Natsu wasn't afraid of God Serena, but he had difficulty. And keep in mind that was Historia God Serena.

For Neinhart, Natsu charged in without hesitation and oneshotted Neinhart. Clear difference there dude.


Again, your stats are way off. Idk where you pulled those from.

But whatever, I'll give you the last words if you so wish.

I disagree with your post as none of it makes sense to me.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Team Natsu was not terrified... They were momentarily surprised.

They can't be terrified given that Natsu oneshot Jacob and two shot Enhanced Neinhart while Gray defeated Invel low diff in his base form...

Brandish stating all Spriggans have similar magic power is BS and meaningless. Clearly, they don't. August >>>> Wahl >>>> Neinhart.


Natsu wasn't afraid of God Serena, but he had difficulty. And keep in mind that was Historia God Serena.

For Neinhart, Natsu charged in without hesitation and oneshotted Neinhart. Clear difference there dude.


Again, your stats are way off. Idk where you pulled those from.

But whatever, I'll give you the last words if you so wish.

I disagree with your post as none of it makes sense to me.

Momentarily surprised? Sure, I'm fine with that. Same meaning. My point was that they recognized Brandish and Ajeel's MP to be on the same level. August is an exception because Brandish later mentioned that August and Eileen are on a whole different level. So she went back on her words regarding those two. But for the others, she still sticks to her words and they have been supported by events that happened in the manga.

I know there is a clear difference... But you're mistakening power with magic power. Since stats like attack and defense factor into a character's overall power, it makes sense that God Serena would give Natsu a lot more trouble than Neinhart. In terms of magic power though, neither have shown to been superior to one another (at least not by much).

 

[Arjuna]

The Spriggans were said countless times to have similar MP. The only difference between them (like I said before) is their other stats. Neinhart has low durability which is why he lasts a lot shorter in a fight compared to the other Spriggans.



This is really becoming repetitive...

God Serena's spells don't have more magic power than Enhanced Neinhart himself... He has more attack power. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that God Serena is using all of Neinhart's MP when he uses his spells which is totally illogical.

Natsu was able to destroy this fodder because of his low durability... I've said this before.

If my explanations aren't making sense, let me show you my reasoning quantitatively.

Let's assume God Serena's magic power is 10,000. Given that Neinhart is comparable to the other Spriggans in MP, his would be around 7,000.

When God Serena uses an attack, he is only depleting his energy by 500-1,000. So can you tell me that... 7,000 < 1,000? Or would it make more sense for 7,000 > 1,000?

I highly doubt all Spriggans have the same MP.Hyberion said all Spriggans are on the level of God Serena.He was referring to Base God Serena as he didn't know about Dragon Slayer God Serena.So 8 Dragon Slayer God Serena>most of the Spriggans.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I highly doubt all Spriggans have the same MP.Hyberion said all Spriggans are on the level of God Serena.He was referring to Base God Serena as he didn't know about Dragon Slayer God Serena.So 8 Dragon Slayer God Serena>most of the Spriggans.

No, the fact that God Serena is a Dragon Slayer with 8 more elements doesn't change his MP level. If it were a mode, i would agree with you but his DS magic is just an alternative form of magic. The MP of a character is already set in stone. How much magic energy a mage has in their container doesn't change unless they receive some sort of power-up.

God Serena activating DS would only affect his Versatility, Attack Power, and the Rate of MP Consumption.

Both Hyberion and Brandish suggested the same thing so I would rely more on this information than anything else.

I agree that magic power of every Spriggan aren't exactly the same. But they are at least comparable.

 

[Arjuna]

No, the fact that God Serena is a Dragon Slayer with 8 more elements doesn't change his MP level. If it were a mode, i would agree with you but his DS magic is just an alternative form of magic. The MP of a character is already set in stone. How much magic energy a mage has in their container doesn't change unless they receive some sort of power-up.

Gof Serena activating DS would only affect his Versatility, Attack Power, and the Rate of MP Consumption.

Both Hyberion and Brandish suggested the same thing so I would rely more on this information than anything else.

I agree that magic power of every Spriggan aren't exactly the same. But they are at least comparable.

Is that so?But i believe Dragon Slaying Magic of Serena makes him more powerful just like Laxus gets when he uses Dragon Slaying Magic rather than Base Thunder Magic or Gray using Des Magic.All 2nd Gen Dragon Slayers become stronger than Base state when they use DS Magic like Laxus,Erik.And Serena is a second Gen DS.In his Base state GOI and Jura could atleast attack him in the end but when he used Dragon Slaying Magic they couldn't even react and were completely overwhelmed.And most importantly August commented that Dragon Slayer Serena is his true power but he didn't make this comment about Base Serena.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Is that so?But i believe Dragon Slaying Magic of Serena makes him more powerful just like Laxus gets when he uses Dragon Slaying Magic rather than Base Thunder Magic or Gray using Des Magic.All 2nd Gen Dragon Slayers become stronger than Base state when they use DS Magic like Laxus,Erik.And Serena is a second Gen DS.In his Base state GOI and Jura could atleast attack him in the end but when he used Dragon Slaying Magic they couldn't even react and were completely overwhelmed.And most importantly August commented that Dragon Slayer Serena is his true power but he didn't make this comment about Base Serena.

Yeah, Dragon Slaying Magic makes God Serena's attack power increase but NOT his magic power. The only time MP changes is if the mage has a new mode.

Think of it this way. Gray has two types of magics: Ice-Make Magic and Ice Devil Slaying Magic. When Gray switches from regular ice spells to DeS spells, his MP doesn't change. His attacks get stronger though because his attack power increases. But when he enters DeS mode (with the black marks), then his MP increases because it is power-up.

So going back to God Serena, his DS spells doesn't increase his MP at all. Only the attack potency of his spells since DS magic is stronger than regular magic. But if God Serena has Dragon Force like Natsu, then I would agree his MP changes.

What I'm basically trying to say is this...

• Attack Power ≠ Magic Power

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

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