DBZ Kai came back to fill in the slot It makes no sense to bring back what was infamously known for being a failure in Japan unless Toriko did really bad and was unceremoniously cancelled. That's really irrelevant, Gintama has proven to be a huge money maker for Shuiesha given the sales of the anime and the movie while Toriko did poorly in both regards.
It's funny because people were saying the same thing about DBZ Kai when Toriko started then it came back. DBZ Kai was never cancelled, that's the point. It has to be doing very poorly to be considered cancelled. A series getting 5% TV ratings near it's end isn't considered very poorly.
Then please just give me an official source stating that. Hell Bleach fans continue to use that outdated tweet stating that it was among its highest rated shows according to the producer, that's something just show me evidence that states that Toriko is on hiatus.
Check the Toriko wiki link I gave you...there were other sources too but that's all I can find. Fuji TV wanted a return and believe it'll most definitely happen, although that was at a time where Toriko wasn't declining a lot like it is now.
Then why advertise them together? It had nothing to do with Oda being friends Mitsutoshi they were banking on the audiences carrying over to one another to increase sales because Toriko embedded the same adventure aspect of One Piece and Dragonball. This is what they wanted or else it just wouldn't make sense to put a middling series against two giants.
Expecting an entire audience to transfer over with crossovers isn't happening. Why do you keep assuming that they had the same unreasonable expectation as you did?
Its called looking at potential and using it to increase sales, to say that every series in Jump is a hit out the gate is really silly since freaking Bleach gained momentum solely because Jump pushed it along with a slew of other titles. Obviously Jump saw potential in Toriko and wanted to capitalize on it. Nobody ever said that they expected Toriko to gain the same level of sales HOWEVER they did wanted another mainstream hit in the same vain.
It's not difficult to determine estimates. There was no potential in it being anywhere close to DBZ/One Piece. Ofc they saw potential in Toriko but not to the extent of coming close to DBZ/One Piece. It got it's crossover because with One Piece since Oda & Shima were good friends and Toriko was already doing well in the magazine.
So why have it appear in those crossovers?
So why have it promoted alongside them if it wasn't the same level of sales?
I already told you the reasons & Rica Pita explained them for the most part too. Go refer to our posts.
Bruh, cancelling an anime isn't simple hence why it rarely happens. A lot of money gets invested into the conception and promotions and also they're not stupid enough to expect a show to meet its expectation within its first year and for the last time NOBODY IS SAYING THAT TORIKO WAS MEANT TO SURPASS BOTH but they expected it to gain the same audience share as both which is more feasible or else WHY WOULD TORIKO BE PUSHED ON THE SAME TIMESLOT AS DBZ KAI FOLLOWING ONE PIECE IF THEY DID NOT EXPECT IT TO HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF SUCCESS. So you're trying to say that Toei just blindly put a middling series on primetime for no reason whatsoever? Because you seem to not "get" what their intentions were even with all the evidence around you.
And? My point still stands; it wasn't expected to reach the success. I said reach and surpass. Why? We keep telling you. Mitsutoshi had a great contribution to the magazine & he was good friends with Oda. Hence why Toriko got both manga & anime crossovers with One Piece. It wasn't that they expected to reach a same level of success.
I'm not going to pull out all the rankings obviously but let's take a look at where Toriko was standing in it's first 3 episodes compared to One Piece in terms of ratings, yes? LOL
[I'm going to ignore the first episode since it was a crossover and just compare the start of Toriko's canon material (episode 2 technically)]
One Piece - 9,7% -> 10.2% -> 10.3%...etc
Toriko - 7.9% -> 6.7% -> 7.7%....etc
You see the difference from the start? It continues this pattern throughout the entire run. The whole idea of Toei/Shueisha expecting Toriko to have the same level of success as One Piece is nonsense and very little going for it. Remember, by saying that it would mean investors would have that expectation too and since it never met that "expectation" it would've gotten canned early but it obviously didn't. It lasted for 3 years.
Also remember that DBZ Kai was doing around 9% before the anime went on hiatus to make room for Toriko. So clearly Toriko was doing less than both One Piece & DBZ Kai from the start. You can't just expect a new series to reach the same level of success of the most successful franchises in the industry. It's unrealistic and like I've said numerous times; if they had such a strong expectation for Toriko then it would've ended a lot sooner since it's peak couldn't even match One Piece or DBZ Kai. One Piece & DBZ level of success are literally one of a kind, it's not something you can fabricate.
Their the biggest company because they hold a share of the most profitable franchises in Japan which doesn't negate the fact that all those shows I mentioned were failures on certain levels. The One Piece anime looks incredibly poor nowadays due to the lack of care being put into it.
Here we go lol. I'm not concerned in the slightest of our opinion on how the series are but their success. So bringing up, "the one piece anime looks bad", isn't going to do anything.
They were. DBZ Kai got low ratings for its slot and merch sales for it were dismal it was saved largely due to the international market where it did better. The very fact that it took three years to bring it back to do the Buu arc of all things is proof of that because it was canned to make room for Toriko which did even worse.
Psh, yeah getting 9-10% TV ratings is so low ratings.
Just so you know you're proving my point and yet you continue to say it didn't fail. So basically Toriko was so unprofitable that a Bleach mobage is more successful at the moment? Gotcha.
For what? Toei having better options? Right, with your logic it means that just because Toei has better options it means that Toriko failed? Get real. Toei has titles that were doing incredibly well in rankings before to work with, which is DBZ.
I already told you why Toriko got it's crossovers/timeslot but you still insist that Shueisha/Toei was planning on getting a series on the level of success as One Piece. There's very little to no evidence to support that. It offers too high of a risk and from the first year it was more than obvious it couldn't reach that level of success. As if the first cour didn't tell us that.
Different timeslots brah. Bleach aired Wednesday evenings and did well for its timeslot for its first few years while Toriko aired on primetime and did poorly for its timeslot. Not particularly applicable.
That's not the point brah. Getting below 2% isn't well...SS arc got 5% and that was it's all time peak.
When you're airing on a timeslot that usually gets an 8-9% share of audiences (at least circa 2011) then yeah its not doing well and Toriko regularly got 5% its highest ratings was an 8% which was for its crossover episode with One Piece that it premiered with and of course the big kicker here is IF TORIKO DID SO WELL WHY IS IT NOT STILL ON THE AIR. That is a very simple question that you have failed to answer over and over again which leads me to believe that you refuse to admit that it was just cancelled. Nichigo isn't a primetime slot also it has a much lower audience share than Dream 7 (Toriko and One Piece) roughly around 2%-4% with its highest rated show being Gundam 00 S2 with a 4% audience share and its lowest rated show being Star Driver with a 1.9%. Not really proving how "poorly" it did when the two shows that followed did even worse than it which much lower episode numbers.
Well Toriko got around 6% in it's first year as a average, close to 7%. Where did you get that info that timeslots usually get 8-9% on that timeslot and who ever said it was guaranteed?
I failed to answer that? I clearly told you that Toei had better option which was to bring DBZ back. Remember, for you to assume that it failed then that would mean Toei had the expectation of it to replace DBZ Kai which was obvious from the start that it was never going to happen. DBZ Kai was getting around 9%-11% TV ratings prior to Toriko's premiere.
Why is it not on TV then? Where is your evidence that's its on hiatus then? We're all waiting for you to answer these questions that you continue to dodge
I already told you numerous times. It's not on TV since Dragon Ball took over. There's no statement that Toei cancelled it or had plans to. Fuji TV even implied for wanting another return; same goes for the staff. You should check out the link I sent instead of just focusing on what the voice actors said. But those are still important.
It was. Nura had a better mean ranking score than Toriko during that period before it became a bottom dweller in its last two years. Toriko started to grow once the One Piece campaign billing started to bear fangs around 2010 were its ratings started to increase.
Toriko was ranking better than Nura when it started.
Uh...both Naruto and One Piece are Shuiesha they own the properties and can do whatever they want with the likeness of the characters Pierrot and Toei just animate them they don't own those properties and before you say something stupid like different studios can't do crossovers with one another the Gintama x Sket Dance crossover were animated by Sunrise (Gintama version) and Tatsunoko (Sket Dance version). Do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself already.
One Piece & Naruto were rivals. Why would they do a crossover? Both series had little similarities in comparison to Toriko & One Piece.
Except it wasn't even that popular. Naruto, Bleach, AssClass, and a plethora of other titles were more popular that Toriko, it was serialized during a time period where volume sales for Shuiesha series were at an all time high (2004 to 2012) and Toriko was still among the middle lower end of the spectrum in terms of both sales and rankings and no you don't get multiple crossovers, cover space and promotion by being friends or having a similar premise, Shuiesha knew what they wanted with Toriko they did not pair it with One Piece on the whim like you can't implying they wanted it to be another mainstream hit and once it failed to meet those expectations it got shoved to the back. So did Oda and Mitsutoshi stopped being friends all of a sudden? Is that going to be your execus as to why its not being pushed heavily anymore?
LOL Wasn't even that popular, huh? I'm talking about it's rankings obviously so don't even try to reach for it's sales as a form of rebuttal.
Average rankings
2008 -> 3.65
2009 -> 5.28
I'm not going to do 2010 since you already accepted that it did well. Interesting data. So getting #3 or #5 spot isn't popular? Add to the mix that Mitsutoshi was very good friends with Oda & that his previous series was a huge success is where you have the bulk of the reasons why the crossover happened in the first place.
Obviously, it's not getting promotions anymore because it already got enough and it's declined a lot to the point where it ranks poorly in the magazine. I already told you that Toei/Shueisha did promote/advertise Toriko a lot.
Nope it has Shueshia to thank for actually seeing potential in it rather than ignoring it because it never would have gotten an anime adaptation if Shuiesha didn't give the go and see its marketing potential.
If you want to go that far back sure but I doubt any other studio could've handled Toriko as well as Toei did in terms of success.
Well neither of that is true.
Toriko at its peak didn't even make it into the top 10 and was still getting beat by newer titles (AssClass) and the fact still remains that its not on TV anymore. That alone just destroys your argument. Declines are nature but once the backlog sales stopped flowing in Toriko had a steadfast fall with nothing to sustain its likeness because it didn't do well in merch either.
Anime Premiere Year (It was in the top 5 manga sales) ->
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series/2011
We already established that it had around 5-7% at any given time for almost all epiosdes. So those are millions of people viewing each week.
You really do keep flip flopping. First you keep saying that Toriko is on hiatus which implies that they do have plans to bring it back soon and now you're saying that they don't have plans to bring it back which most definitely does mean its cancelled since there's more important things to focus on the hoizon. But hey your logic dictates that Saint Seiya was never cancelled and just on a 20 year hiatus before they decided to animate those last few arcs, who knows maybe we are getting a Slam Dunk continuation down the pipeline too. If there's no reason to bring back something how is there a possibility for its return?
A hiatus doesn't imply they have to bring it soon, perhaps the better term is indefinite, a indefinite hiatus but it could return one day.
Yet you're saying that Shuiesha at no point pushed it to be a big hit. Okay.
They most definitely did push Toriko more than other series but not with the expectation of it being on the same level of One Piece or DBZ.
I think vampire killer already stated that Tiger Mask is just a special occasion sort of deal and that Toei would have never touched on that prospect of not for personal sponsorship.
So the people who worked on Toriko want a continuation? What a shocker. Still not saying anything in regards to be on hiatus just wishful thinking
Well its not airing now. There's no plans to continue it in the near future. It didn't complete the manga's storyline (in fact it made several changes in the last episode from the manga). So it obviously means its on hiatus! Toei does this shit all the time. They cancelled GT, they cancelled Slam Dunk, they cancelled Saint Seiya (then came back years later to do those shitty OVAs) They canceled that shitty Dr.Slump remake, etc. Does it mean they're done with Toriko for good? Not really since they still have the rights but with One Piece, Precure, DBZ Super and hell even World Trigger on the horizon why would they need to go back to Toriko?
Why would that be a shocker? If it flopped and the studio accepted that; then there would be little reason for them wanting it to come back. Either way if you looked there was a statement from Fuji TV Network. I'm not sure if the link is broken but the quote was definitely saved. You never know that there's no plans for it to come in the near future. Neither you nor I know that for sure. All I'm saying that there's a possibility of it returning, regardless of how small it is.
It's better to assume something is put on hiatus than cancelled, especially with a studio like Toei and a successful title like Toriko. That's all I'm saying.
