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I don't think we have any reason to think he lacks technique. The issue here is that he has never meet anyone with even a fraction of the power required to actually spar with him. Most of what we have seen actually suggests escanor is more than competent with that ax of his.
What competence? He swings it, and that's all he needs to do with it.
He's clearly not very flexible, or as flexible as Meliodas, and the fact that he couldn't read Estarossa's obvious second Full Counter proves that he doesn't really rely on his brain, but rather on just his body.
He doesn't have a refined technique of fighting, he just fights.
 

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My new rankings on current sins.
1.escanor (he's currently the most powerful dude in the manga)
2. Meliodas (he's currently the second strongest in the manga)
3. Gowther (if he's been revived and regained his previous power)
4. Merlin (infinity hax)
5. King (same as before,no new power-up yet)
6. Ban (same as before,no noticeable power increase/hax to put above King true spirit spear release)
7. Diane (same as before, still hopelessly weak)
 

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If Meliodas said by himself that Escanor is stronger than him, and even Merlin said so ( and merlin did knew about the past meliodas and his curse and power ) why are you still discussing this...
Meliodas said that when his PL was 32500. Merlin said his PL is far above the others when again, Meliodas's PL was 32500 and at best it's 56000. In the recent chapter, she said he is still unrivaled after hearing of his feats. Prime Meliodas and Noon Escanor never fought.

Ummm Gowther already tried to mind rape Escanor, and he used his full power by his own admission:


Needless to say that it didn't work. What you need to break free of Gowthers tricks is a high metal fortitude, and Escanor (day) has some of the best, if not the best mental fortitude in the series (kinda goes hand-in-hand with pride). Not to mention Escanor can outright blitz Gowther. I'm not seeing how Gowther would stand even a shred of a chance.
Gowther had a PL of 3100 and Escanor's Spirit is most likely his weakest stat since Gowther was able to knock him out thanks to Merlin's Power Amplify.

Merlin won't be even flinching him either. Making your magic last for infinite =/= being able to cast an infinitely powerful spell, Merlin is capable of the former, not the latter. King doesn't stand an inkling of a chance. Wouldn't even be able to pierce Escanors skin. Galans attack barely cut into a nonchalant 50K Escanors arm and Galan was at 40K with pure raw power.
Merlin is capable of both. And her spells are not necessarily about raw power.

Depends on by what degree the wings actually increase a Fairy's power.

He's probably going to be over 30,000 at the least, so his magic is going to jump by a factor of 10 most likely, which does put him in the 30k level, but that assumes his spirit doesn't rise alongside his magic. I can see Gloxinia's defeat (if that's even who King fights), coming from the fact that King can draw more power from the Holy Tree. Given how King's magic more than doubles when he does bring out the Tree's true power, he would be pushing 60-70k when he gets serious.
For some reason I totally forgot that Release would still work like that with a power up. And I believe that all the Sins will have a PL of 50K at least since the strongest Commandments and the respective opponents of King and Diane are that powerful. Maybe the increase won't be that high but if King is at 50K and use his Release, he will incredibly powerful. Gloxinia has a Spirit Spear too so shouldn't he have his own Release? It could explain why Nakaba decided to show him lose horribly against Meliodas.

One thing I noticed about Giants is that their PL in Strength is always at least twice higher than their PL in Magic.
Diane(3250): Magic: 900 Strength: 1870 Spirit: 480
Matrona(7600): Magic: 2200 Strength: 4400(exactly the double of her Magic) Spirit: 1000
Dolor(54000): Magic: 14000 Strength: 36500(much more than the double) Spirit: 3500
 

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Meliodas said that when his PL was 32500. Merlin said his PL is far above the others when again, Meliodas's PL was 32500 and at best it's 56000. In the recent chapter, she said he is still unrivaled after hearing of his feats. Prime Meliodas and Noon Escanor never fought.



Gowther had a PL of 3100 and Escanor's Spirit is most likely his weakest stat since Gowther was able to knock him out thanks to Merlin's Power Amplify.



Merlin is capable of both. And her spells are not necessarily about raw power.



For some reason I totally forgot that Release would still work like that with a power up. And I believe that all the Sins will have a PL of 50K at least since the strongest Commandments and the respective opponents of King and Diane are that powerful. Maybe the increase won't be that high but if King is at 50K and use his Release, he will incredibly powerful. Gloxinia has a Spirit Spear too so shouldn't he have his own Release? It could explain why Nakaba decided to show him lose horribly against Meliodas.

One thing I noticed about Giants is that their PL in Strength is always at least twice higher than their PL in Magic.
Diane(3250): Magic: 900 Strength: 1870 Spirit: 480
Matrona(7600): Magic: 2200 Strength: 4400(exactly the double of her Magic) Spirit: 1000
Dolor(54000): Magic: 14000 Strength: 36500(much more than the double) Spirit: 3500
There is no way Ban is going get a power level of 50K at most imo 10-15K. I think his body will be able to handle hunter fest & physical hunt in the future without side effects or caps but that's it.

So I'm going with
Meliodas/Escanor-this is subject 2 changes once we have more information.

Merlin-Infinity. There is also something about her background which I think is going 2 boost her up like crazy.

Gowther-He is a original commandment I'm saying he is at least 45K

King-I don't think King is going 2 hit 50K we can't say Gloxiana has 50K so King should have 50K when we know for a fact Gloxiana got a demon mark which boost his power level so King might get 40K-45K

Diane-the same I said with King. Diane might have 45-50K

Ban-I already explained.
 
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There is no way Ban is going get a power level of 50K at most imo 10-15K. I think his body will be able to handle hunter fest & physical hunt in the future without side effects but that's it.

So I'm going with
Meliodas/Escanor-this is subject 2 changes once we have more information.

Merlin-Infinity. There is also something about her background which I think is going 2 boost her up like crazy.

Gowther-He is a original commandment I'm saying he is at least 45K

King-I don't think King is going 2 hit 50K we can't say Gloxinia has 50K so King should have 50K when we know for a fact Gloxiana got a demon mark which boost his power level so King might get 40K-45K

Diane-the same I said with King. Diane might have 45-50K

Ban-I already explained.
Nothing says that the Demon mark boosted their PLs, so far he and Dolor fought like their original races and they can't heal their injuries with Demon powers. Even assuming it did, Diane and King are supposed to be able to rival them so it changes nothing. Gloxinia has 47K in Magic, King should have a Magic Power comparable to that at the very least.

With all the Sins getting power ups like that, Ban being so weak would be lame. I can't see him always spamming Hunter Fest and count on that. It's more efficient against physical fighters too.
 

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Nothing says that the Demon mark boosted their PLs, so far he and Dolor fought like their original races and they can't heal their injuries with Demon powers. Even assuming it did, Diane and King are supposed to be able to rival them so it changes nothing. Gloxinia has 47K in Magic, King should have a Magic Power comparable to that at the very least.

With all the Sins getting power ups like that, Ban being so weak would be lame. I can't see him always spamming Hunter Fest and count on that. It's more efficient against physical fighters too.
Nakaba has showed us that demon blood or mark boost the user power level the example being Meliodas, Guila & Jericho. Guila & Jericho couldn't heal or anything like that they just fought like regular HKs with a power boost.

Dolor wanted 2 be strongest but he got destroyed by someone so he joined the Demon clan so he obviously got a boost.

Gloxiana got a demon mark he has 2 have a boost. There is no reason for Nakaba 2 show it on his chest when he don't get nothing from the Demon mark unless he need his demon mark for his commandment to work.

I think King is going 2 be in the ballpark of Gloxiana with maybe 42K in magic I just don't see him cracking 50K overall because of what I said before about the demon mark.

Will it sucks for Ban 2 be that weak yeah but unless something drastically changes with Ban race/background or he do something crazy in the future I don't see how his overall power level will hit 50K and plus unless the Goddess are like magic heavy like the Fairys him being able 2 used hunter fest without any side effects or cap makes him crazy strong.
 
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As has been stated, I think ban will continue improving his hunter fest capabilities, since even in a base state he was able to be stronger than galan (by some small time but still), so Ban is more of a insurance policy than anything else:

Send him in, he takes damage to discover the enemy powers, steal the oponnent strenght, win
 

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Meliodas said that when his PL was 32500. Merlin said his PL is far above the others when again, Meliodas's PL was 32500 and at best it's 56000. In the recent chapter, she said he is still unrivaled after hearing of his feats. Prime Meliodas and Noon Escanor never fought.
Mel temporarily entered his prime against Fraudrin as the latter noted so Merlin could have identified his PL.

Gowther had a PL of 3100 and Escanor's Spirit is most likely his weakest stat since Gowther was able to knock him out thanks to Merlin's Power Amplify.
Not only did Merlin amplify Gowthers power (by an unquantifiable amount) but she explicitely made Escanor lower his guard.

Merlin is capable of both. And her spells are not necessarily about raw power.
Merlin is most certainly NOT capable of casting infinitely powerful magic, that would entail being capable of universe busting power (the word infinite is not to be taken lightly).
 

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Mel temporarily entered his prime against Fraudrin as the latter noted so Merlin could have identified his PL.



Not only did Merlin amplify Gowthers power (by an unquantifiable amount) but she explicitely made Escanor lower his guard.



Merlin is most certainly NOT capable of casting infinitely powerful magic, that would entail being capable of universe busting power (the word infinite is not to be taken lightly).
Meliodas is not at prime yet the evidence being his demon mark and Merlin put away the Balor eye as soon as she said his power level is 60,000 there's no other way she could know Meliodas demon power level right now.

I agree Merlin max up Gowther magic to takeout Escanor but Ten Commandments Gowther should not need a power boost so Gowther should be able 2 take out Escanor if Escanor is not paying attention.

I agree I think Merlin magic lasts forever not her ability to perform them. Which means she could potentially run out of magic.
 

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Merlin's magic does not affect how powerful her magic is. It only allows her magic to continue on as if it had an infinite power source. It affects how much the magic lasts, not her actual power output.
 

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Meliodas is not at prime yet the evidence being his demon mark and Merlin put away the Balor eye as soon as she said his power level is 60,000 there's no other way she could know Meliodas demon power level right now.

I agree Merlin max up Gowther magic to takeout Escanor but Ten Commandments Gowther should not need a power boost so Gowther should be able 2 take out Escanor if Escanor is not paying attention.

I agree I think Merlin magic lasts forever not her ability to perform them. Which means she could potentially run out of magic.
Well Fraudin did say "This...you are just like back then!", so yes, I belive that Meliodas has achived his power of way back then.
But what I mean by this? Well, we have to keep in mind 2 things: That as it has been said, the power levels are not static even while mid combat, and that PL in nanatsuverse is made of 3 components:

Power (Physycal)
Magic
Spirit (Mind)

So while I do belive that what fraudin meant is that his Power is how it was back then, but since he is still not void of emotions (Which is arguable, since he fell in love with Elis past self), his Spirit is not at the level it was, thus giving his power level more room to go and be considered Demon King- Worthy

Seriously tho, not forgeting that the PL is a sum of 3 parts is a essential point for future discussions I think
 

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For some reason I totally forgot that Release would still work like that with a power up. And I believe that all the Sins will have a PL of 50K at least since the strongest Commandments and the respective opponents of King and Diane are that powerful. Maybe the increase won't be that high but if King is at 50K and use his Release, he will incredibly powerful. Gloxinia has a Spirit Spear too so shouldn't he have his own Release? It could explain why Nakaba decided to show him lose horribly against Meliodas.

One thing I noticed about Giants is that their PL in Strength is always at least twice higher than their PL in Magic.
Diane(3250): Magic: 900 Strength: 1870 Spirit: 480
Matrona(7600): Magic: 2200 Strength: 4400(exactly the double of her Magic) Spirit: 1000
Dolor(54000): Magic: 14000 Strength: 36500(much more than the double) Spirit: 3500
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Glox's Spirit Spear is already released. Appearance wise, it shares that organic look that Chastiefol's true form has.

As for Giants, that's a good observation. That might actually be a key point in how physically strong they can get.
 

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Meliodas is not at prime yet the evidence being his demon mark and Merlin put away the Balor eye as soon as she said his power level is 60,000 there's no other way she could know Meliodas demon power level right now.
The problem with saying Demon Mark not complete = Meliodas not at full strength is that your saying that he's weaker here:



Then he is here :


Because the Mark is clearly more full in the 2nd instance then the first.

Seeing as those two instances happened like 5 chapters apart, and he didn't die in between can you explain why would he be more powerful in the 2nd instance then the first?

To me it makes more sense that nakaba is using the mark as a measurement for us to gauge his corruption rather then his power.

He was clearly more evil/angry vs. Fraudrin then Monspiet and Derririe probably because of Liz and danafor, hence slightly more corrupted, hence the mark almost complete.

And it validates fraudrin's comment that what he has now is what he had 3000 years ago with the mark active.

Now there could be a difference in extra power provided between the half filled in form, and the almost complete form, but it's impossible to tell because all his opponents were too weak.

But however strong he is I hope nobody's expecting him to get another like 50k increase, when it's complete if he's still not at full strength.

Whatever he showed vs Fraudrin was clearly just short of it, if not all of it, with the emotion stealing just not fully complete so the king can be revived.
 

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The problem with saying Demon Mark not complete = Meliodas not at full strength is that your saying that he's weaker here:



Then he is here :


Because the Mark is clearly more full in the 2nd instance then the first.

Seeing as those two instances happened like 5 chapters apart, and he didn't die in between can you explain why would he be more powerful in the 2nd instance then the first?

To me it makes more sense that nakaba is using the mark as a measurement for us to gauge his corruption rather then his power.

He was clearly more evil/angry vs. Fraudrin then Monspiet and Derririe probably because of Liz and danafor, hence slightly more corrupted, hence the mark almost complete.

And it validates fraudrin's comment that what he has now is what he had 3000 years ago with the mark active.

Now there could be a difference in extra power provided between the half filled in form, and the almost complete form, but it's impossible to tell because all his opponents were too weak.

But however strong he is I hope nobody's expecting him to get another like 50k increase, when it's complete if he's still not at full strength.

Whatever he showed vs Fraudrin was clearly just short of it, if not all of it, with the emotion stealing just not fully complete so the king can be revived.
I'm not trying 2 argue cause you could be right but this picture right here looks the same as the first one this is just a better angle at Meliodas without his hair blocking it like in the second picture.
 

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What do you guys think Awakened winged king power level will be?

Before even the training he was able to get to 10.000 power level for one attack with a lot of effort, so I think him siting around 30.000 base (aka winged, but not in any situation that would require him to make effort, so he could pull 40-50.000s attacks with effort) would be logical
Prob on Gloxinia's level or higher, plus Nakaba said he's weaker from leaving the FKF for so many years

The sins are basically the peak of their race
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The problem with saying Demon Mark not complete = Meliodas not at full strength is that your saying that he's weaker here:



Then he is here :


Because the Mark is clearly more full in the 2nd instance then the first.

Seeing as those two instances happened like 5 chapters apart, and he didn't die in between can you explain why would he be more powerful in the 2nd instance then the first?

To me it makes more sense that nakaba is using the mark as a measurement for us to gauge his corruption rather then his power.

He was clearly more evil/angry vs. Fraudrin then Monspiet and Derririe probably because of Liz and danafor, hence slightly more corrupted, hence the mark almost complete.

And it validates fraudrin's comment that what he has now is what he had 3000 years ago with the mark active.

Now there could be a difference in extra power provided between the half filled in form, and the almost complete form, but it's impossible to tell because all his opponents were too weak.

But however strong he is I hope nobody's expecting him to get another like 50k increase, when it's complete if he's still not at full strength.

Whatever he showed vs Fraudrin was clearly just short of it, if not all of it, with the emotion stealing just not fully complete so the king can be revived.
Idk Merlin clearly said the more he dies the more his emotions get devoured and he becomes more like his old self

Currently he's still the same but more evil when the mark is activated , plus we've seen the complete version of it, Mel's Mark is about 60% complete

This may not be his full power
 

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Prob on Gloxinia's level or higher, plus Nakaba said he's weaker from leaving the FKF for so many years

The sins are basically the peak of their race
Which bears the question of how powerfull the Goddess will be...
WOW. It just ocourred to me.
Goddess magic is super-effective against Demons, and it has long been theorized that Escanor´s power has some relation to the Goddess...maybe those 2 got the most out of the 10C fights because the VS Goddess arc they will be neutralized? Food for thought, but not for this topic

One thing I noticed about Giants is that their PL in Strength is always at least twice higher than their PL in Magic.
Diane(3250): Magic: 900 Strength: 1870 Spirit: 480
Matrona(7600): Magic: 2200 Strength: 4400(exactly the double of her Magic) Spirit: 1000
Dolor(54000): Magic: 14000 Strength: 36500(much more than the double) Spirit: 3500
Nice catch. Maybe getting tuned with nature via dance also strenghs them. And vice versa, kinda of like a symbiotic relationship.
Like they become a avatar of Earth.
I could see a punch with the weight of a mountain at least seriously injuring any of the characters of the nanatsuverse
 

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In my personal opinion, Escanor's stats are prob higher in total but Mel has higher strength and spirit

I think having a FC as a main ability is the reason why Estarossa and Meliodas have a low magic stat despite being so strong
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Which bears the question of how powerfull the Goddess will be...
WOW. It just ocourred to me.
Goddess magic is super-effective against Demons, and it has long been theorized that Escanor´s power has some relation to the Goddess...maybe those 2 got the most out of the 10C fights because the VS Goddess arc they will be neutralized? Food for thought, but not for this topic



Nice catch. Maybe getting tuned with nature via dance also strenghs them. And vice versa, kinda of like a symbiotic relationship.
Like they become a avatar of Earth.
I could see a punch with the weight of a mountain at least seriously injuring any of the characters of the nanatsuverse
Hopefully not too OP, I never liked OP villains, it forces the author to pull stuff out of thin air just to make the characters stand a chance or win a battle

Hopefully they're commandment level with more effective magic, the Commandments are really strong but it's their arrogance/pride that lead them to fail conquering Liones
 

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Nakaba said he's weaker from leaving the FKF for so many years
Do you happen to remember where this was said? I've seen this a couple times and don't remember the source.
 

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Do you happen to remember where this was said? I've seen this a couple times and don't remember the source.
It was in one of the question quote thingy, it was never answered in the manga but he answered it in a question I think
 

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There's really no guarentee that Meliodas will gain more power if he dies again. The only thing we know for certain is that his emotions will go away. For all we know, he could have his full power back, but probably lacks the emotional loss to use it to its full potential. After all a person trying to kill you is a lot stronger than a person holding back against you.
 
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